Wilson Blade 18x20 but with more spin

musicsoul

Rookie
Hi!

Maybe this is a strange question, but I’m still going to ask it.

I’m playing with the Blade 98 18x20 v7 and it’s almost the perfect racquet for me. I do feel there is one thing missing and that’s spin potential.

I just started playing again and just for fun I took out my previous racquet, the Prestige Mid (graphene touch), immediately my balls had more spin.

I tested allot of racquets before I got to the Blade. Played awhile with the Yonex vcore pro 310 for example, but the swing weight was too low. I have a very fast swing, so it helps if the racquet slows me down a bit.

So the question is: Is there a very similar racquet to my Blade, but with more spin potential? The 16x19 Blade is not the answer, I tried it and it’s nothing compared to the 18x20.

Maybe the Head Gravity pro? Maybe the Head Extreme pro?

Any suggestions?
 

musicsoul

Rookie
I would test string before trying to find a whole different racket. There are lots of choices - hyper G, volkl cycline, tier 1 firewire, etc that should add back those rpm you've been missing.



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That could help. I play with Yonex poly tour pro at 22kg now
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
Hi!

Maybe this is a strange question, but I’m still going to ask it.

I’m playing with the Blade 98 18x20 v7 and it’s almost the perfect racquet for me. I do feel there is one thing missing and that’s spin potential.

I just started playing again and just for fun I took out my previous racquet, the Prestige Mid (graphene touch), immediately my balls had more spin.

I tested allot of racquets before I got to the Blade. Played awhile with the Yonex vcore pro 310 for example, but the swing weight was too low. I have a very fast swing, so it helps if the racquet slows me down a bit.

So the question is: Is there a very similar racquet to my Blade, but with more spin potential? The 16x19 Blade is not the answer, I tried it and it’s nothing compared to the 18x20.

Maybe the Head Gravity pro? Maybe the Head Extreme pro?

Any suggestions?
The Head Extreme MP is closer than the Pro, but I would not suggest it as a Blade replacement. Its not the same level of control or comfort and its a chunky racuet (great frame though, but more of a handcannon)

Im in the same boat (same issue with YY 310) - I think the closest frame is the new Head Prestige Mid with a little lead at 12, but I am waiting to try one to see.
 

1HBHfanatic

Hall of Fame
@musicsoul
-the 18/20 has a control factor thats hard to replicate
-a tighter string pattern will give you this!, whether it is on a 16/19 or a open 18/20
-all 18/20 do suffer from the spin issue, some you will be able to live with, some are more difficult
-the 16/19s are simply more spin friendly, no getting around it, but it is something different that you need to adjust to
-the head gravity.pro is a 18/20 with a bit more of spin, it is a 100" stick, has its own issue
-the head.radical.pro and/or mp are 16/19 sticks but have tight patterns, so the control is great IMO, sleepers IMO
-i really do like the blade.v7 16/19, for the extra spin, getting used to it and maybe adding some lead to different spots to make it work for you would be my suggestion
-btw, yonex use to make 16/20 patterns, that was the answer for me, transitioning from 18/20 w.blade,, but they dont anymore, i hope they bring it back
 

esgee48

Legend
My recommendation is to play around with differential tensions, i.e. string mains a little tighter and crosses a little lower. Since you are currently using YPTP at 22 Kg, try mains at 23 Kg and crosses at 21 Kg.
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
Main problem with yonez that caused me to finally move on is almost all have lowwww swingweights. The few that dont are extended or 355 gram frames. And adding lead to them is not an exact science. The best one i tried thats close to the blade is the 2nd version of the ai98. I forget the name, but its highly regarded and also basically impossible to track down.
 

phanamous

New User
Gut / soft Poly does the trick for me in tight patterns. Try that first. I recommend Bab Nat Touch 16 / Head Hawk Touch 17.
String the poly cross tension at the same tension you're using fullbed right now. Just need to figure out the right gut mains tension, usually 8-12lbs higher I find, depending on string pattern.
 

vanworth

Rookie
@musicsoul
-the 18/20 has a control factor thats hard to replicate
-a tighter string pattern will give you this!, whether it is on a 16/19 or a open 18/20
-all 18/20 do suffer from the spin issue, some you will be able to live with, some are more difficult
-the 16/19s are simply more spin friendly, no getting around it, but it is something different that you need to adjust to
-the head gravity.pro is a 18/20 with a bit more of spin, it is a 100" stick, has its own issue
-the head.radical.pro and/or mp are 16/19 sticks but have tight patterns, so the control is great IMO, sleepers IMO
-i really do like the blade.v7 16/19, for the extra spin, getting used to it and maybe adding some lead to different spots to make it work for you would be my suggestion
-btw, yonex use to make 16/20 patterns, that was the answer for me, transitioning from 18/20 w.blade,, but they dont anymore, i hope they bring it back
Out of interest what was your issue with the Gravity Pro? On my shortlist.
 

jdx2112

New User
Head Gravity Tour is among the closest fits to the Blade 18x20. The Tour is 18x20, too, but I feel with the100" teardrop head it invites more spin than the traditional 98" head of the Blade. Pure Strike 18x20 is also a good comp, but it's a much stiffer racket than the Blade or Gravity.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
Hi!

Maybe this is a strange question, but I’m still going to ask it.

I’m playing with the Blade 98 18x20 v7 and it’s almost the perfect racquet for me. I do feel there is one thing missing and that’s spin potential.

I just started playing again and just for fun I took out my previous racquet, the Prestige Mid (graphene touch), immediately my balls had more spin.

I tested allot of racquets before I got to the Blade. Played awhile with the Yonex vcore pro 310 for example, but the swing weight was too low. I have a very fast swing, so it helps if the racquet slows me down a bit.

So the question is: Is there a very similar racquet to my Blade, but with more spin potential? The 16x19 Blade is not the answer, I tried it and it’s nothing compared to the 18x20.

Maybe the Head Gravity pro? Maybe the Head Extreme pro?

Any suggestions?
Pure aero vs with some lead to bump up the SW. the 16/20 pattern with FSI is more spin friendly than the 18/20 in the blade. The PA VS takes lead a lot better than the VCP97 310 which I used for awhile and ultimately moved on from it as well. Tried adding a little bit of lead at 12 but it changed the way the vcp97 played. Ultimately found it played best in stock form which was coming through a little too quickly due to the low SW. with the PA VS, the lead just slows down the racquet and doesn’t change any of the playing characteristics.
 

JoaoN

Rookie
Hi!

Maybe this is a strange question, but I’m still going to ask it.

I’m playing with the Blade 98 18x20 v7 and it’s almost the perfect racquet for me. I do feel there is one thing missing and that’s spin potential.

I just started playing again and just for fun I took out my previous racquet, the Prestige Mid (graphene touch), immediately my balls had more spin.

I tested allot of racquets before I got to the Blade. Played awhile with the Yonex vcore pro 310 for example, but the swing weight was too low. I have a very fast swing, so it helps if the racquet slows me down a bit.

So the question is: Is there a very similar racquet to my Blade, but with more spin potential? The 16x19 Blade is not the answer, I tried it and it’s nothing compared to the 18x20.

Maybe the Head Gravity pro? Maybe the Head Extreme pro?

Any suggestions?
Did you tried the Vcore Pro 97 HD? i know the balance is quite different, but it might work well for you.
 

Flying_Axe

New User
Tecnifbire XTC 305, 360+ speed pro, TF 40 315 should make a good Demo list. I haven't played wtih prestige tour, but I think with mod, it should work
 

Injured Again

Hall of Fame
Agree with those suggesting a change to a shaped poly string. A thin (18 or 19) gauge of something like Hyper-G should give you much more spin than PTP (which I just finished playtesting for Tennis Warehouse).
 

vanworth

Rookie
How does the spin in this and the TF40 compare to the DR98 for example which seems to have a low launch angle to me.
 

2nd Serve Ace

Hall of Fame
I would just try and acquire good condition 2015 18x20 blades.

Very comfortable, medium launch, classic feel and response.
 

phanamous

New User
Blade 98 can get rather head heavy so it's more difficult to generate RHS for spin. Could that be your issue with it compared to your Prestige Mid?
 

JoaoN

Rookie
HD doesn’t offer more spin than the blade 18/20 which the OP mentioned he’s looking for.
In my experience, it does, HD is more whippy and for me, easier to generate spin than the blade.

Actually, the TW review also gave the HD a better topspin score, though some of the reviewers in both tests were different.
 
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25-TENNIS

Rookie
Main problem with yonez that caused me to finally move on is almost all have lowwww swingweights. The few that dont are extended or 355 gram frames. And adding lead to them is not an exact science. The best one i tried thats close to the blade is the 2nd version of the ai98. I forget the name, but its highly regarded and also basically impossible to track down.
Dr98?
 

1HBHfanatic

Hall of Fame
Vcore 95 is still 16x20 - I do like that pattern. I picked up another Duel G 310 16x20 because its so nice.
-yup, your correct, the vcore95 is 16/20, nice pattern, but racquet is toooooo f..innng light, very frustrating, i had high hopes for it
- i want yonex to come out with a 95" vcore.PRO with 16/20, like they did before
-i have the dual.g, its nice also, run a search here on ways to "MOD" it, its a nice stick
 

1HBHfanatic

Hall of Fame
Out of interest what was your issue with the Gravity Pro? On my shortlist.
-it might just be a personal preference, but anything north of 98" puts a strain on my 1hbh topspin shot, more than i would like (even though its setup with 10pts HL)..
-you can add all the weight you want in the handle (to make it more head light),, but at the end of the day, you are swinging a 100" round racquet with a 1HBH, "it puts a strain"
-a 1hbh TOPSPIN player tends to favor smaller heads for the ease of swing weight through the stroke
-but dont get me wrong, its a nice racquet!!, slices and volleys are very good for a 18/20 stick
 

Nate7-5

Rookie
-yup, your correct, the vcore95 is 16/20, nice pattern, but racquet is toooooo f..innng light, very frustrating, i had high hopes for it
- i want yonex to come out with a 95" vcore.PRO with 16/20, like they did before
-i have the dual.g, its nice also, run a search here on ways to "MOD" it, its a nice stick
I have 1.5g (4.5 total) at 9 / 12 / 3 and 7.5g under the butt cap plus a Wilson ShockShield grip and it plays like a dream.
 

1HBHfanatic

Hall of Fame
Gravity pro was pretty sluggish even after making the stick more HL by tail weighting with putty.
-agree
-i think its the head shape!, i consider it more ROUND-shaped than most think
-at the end of the day, its a 100" head
-i do like the thin beam construction though, slices like no other!!

-i also have a head.extreme.pro, that one is more tear-drop shape, and it swings through the air faster
-it also has its own set of issues, but it does swing better through the air with the 1HBH, IMO
 

musicsoul

Rookie
I demoed a Gravity Pro once, but that one came in very heavy. I also didn’t mention yet that have a 1HBH. The Blade works fine, but for my backhand it could definitely be more whippy. I’m actually not looking at balance at all when looking for possible other racquets, just swing weight. My Blade is around 330-335. That is the reason I was also looking at the Extreme Pro.

Maybe I need to demo the new Prestige mid.
 

roger presley

Hall of Fame
Blade and Extreme have nothing in common. Try to adjust your stroke a little bit or change your strings. Or make it more head light.
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
I demoed a Gravity Pro once, but that one came in very heavy. I also didn’t mention yet that have a 1HBH. The Blade works fine, but for my backhand it could definitely be more whippy. I’m actually not looking at balance at all when looking for possible other racquets, just swing weight. My Blade is around 330-335. That is the reason I was also looking at the Extreme Pro.

Maybe I need to demo the new Prestige mid.
Im going to hit with one in an hour next to my 18x20 blade. Ill post thoughts after
 
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musicsoul

Rookie

Here is my initial comparison between the two frames.

Short story - I love the Blade and think the feel is legend. It’s a solid club like frame that I’m not sure I could ever not use. That said, the new prestige mid is easier to use and definitely has more spin.
Definitely going to demo that one. Especially because I’m already comfortable with the previous Prestige mid. I’m also going to try some new thinner/shaped strings in the blade.
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
Definitely going to demo that one. Especially because I’m already comfortable with the previous Prestige mid. I’m also going to try some new thinner/shaped strings in the blade.
You will love it. My coach has your model and he was like "I can't use this new one anymore because if I do, im buying it tomorrow".
 

5point5

Professional
Hi!

Maybe this is a strange question, but I’m still going to ask it.

I’m playing with the Blade 98 18x20 v7 and it’s almost the perfect racquet for me. I do feel there is one thing missing and that’s spin potential.

I just started playing again and just for fun I took out my previous racquet, the Prestige Mid (graphene touch), immediately my balls had more spin.

I tested allot of racquets before I got to the Blade. Played awhile with the Yonex vcore pro 310 for example, but the swing weight was too low. I have a very fast swing, so it helps if the racquet slows me down a bit.

So the question is: Is there a very similar racquet to my Blade, but with more spin potential? The 16x19 Blade is not the answer, I tried it and it’s nothing compared to the 18x20.

Maybe the Head Gravity pro? Maybe the Head Extreme pro?

Any suggestions?
Blade 16x19 is the answer. Just kidding.

Maybe try the strikes?
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
TF40 305 had a very low launch angle for me. Lower than the AI98 which had a similar launch angle as the DR98. For context, I use the UT and blade 18/20s and have no issues with launch angle on either of these.
I'd actually like to hit all three of these (TF40 305, UT, and Blade 98) against my TC95 18x20. I've kinda settled into frames around 310-315g, 6pts. hl, and 325 swing weight. That makes the Tecnifibre an easy fix with leather, the UT with lead, but the Blade problematic (maybe). How do you think a UT would compare to the TC95 18x20, both at the specs above? Probably should have asked if you have any experience with the TC95.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
I'd actually like to hit all three of these (TF40 305, UT, and Blade 98) against my TC95 18x20. I've kinda settled into frames around 310-315g, 6pts. hl, and 325 swing weight. That makes the Tecnifibre an easy fix with leather, the UT with lead, but the Blade problematic (maybe). How do you think a UT would compare to the TC95 18x20, both at the specs above? Probably should have asked if you have any experience with the TC95.
Never tried the 18/20 patterned TC95. I found the string pattern of the 16/19 63RA version TC95 to be too open.
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
Never tried the 18/20 patterned TC95. I found the string pattern of the 16/19 63RA version TC95 to be too open.
Same here. I couldn't tame the 16x19 63RA. On paper, I like the TF40 305 the best, but I'm a little concerned about people's low launch comments--and the fact that no one seems to stick with it. People seem to be loyal to the UT, probably for good reason. Do you hit the v7 Blade stock? Is it apples/oranges compared to your UT? I love the TC95 18x20 but would like a fraction more forgiveness. Not sure if the UT or Blade would actually give me that or not.
 
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