Wilson Bottom Up Stringing Instructions

LOBALOT

Hall of Fame
I was just wondering if I can seek guidance on the best approach for restringing some Wilson Racquets where the manufacturer specifies a bottom up approach.

A friend dropped of a Wilson Juice 108 for me to restring last night. I forgot that I had previous issues as far as how to restring her racquet. I have had similar questions with the Burn Spin Racquets and others. When I google the Wilson instructions for Juice 108 they have the crosses going in bottom up. See the following: http://www.wilson.com/en-us/sports/tennis/pdf/rackets/Juice_108_BLX.pdf

I find myself trying to avoid this and stringing these racquets ATW but in a few instances this is no piece of cake with long runs on the outside of the racquet and I question whether I am making the correct decision. I did google this forum and saw references to different ATW approaches so perhaps that is a solution too.

Given the manufacturer is giving green light do you go ahead and string it bottom up or do you use a specific ATW approach to restringing these racquets?

By the way 2 piece is not easy either as the recommended tie off on the crosses is pretty far from the bottom cross, needs to be enlarged, and leads to a slew of strings on the outside of the frame.
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
I would do it the way the manufacturer says to do it. It they allow Bottom Up crosses, so be it. My only criteria for this is the length of frame before and after must be the same ±1 mm. This assumes no differential.

However, KM says the Juice 108 should be strung top down. Means either 2 piece or ATW. I do not see any issues doing an ATW
Frame BLX JUICE 108 [T=top of hoop, B=bottom of hoop]
Range 53 - 63
Lengths 21'M - 19'C
Pattern 16M X 19C
Skips 7,9T - 7,9B
MTO 6B
1st X 7T
XTO 5T - 11B

 
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Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
I’d string it with an ATW and short on the right. Use a Yonex / Parnell Loop and tie off SS at 5HR. Next to last cross ties off at 8TR.
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
box pattern (top/down stringing), and enlarge the tie offs if needed (I believe these racquets have pretty big ports, enlarging ports might not be needed),,
since this is not "serenas" racquet, there wont be any complaints from her (serena), and her enlarged holes!!,, haaaa
 

10shoe

Professional
Have strung 47 Juice 108's and every one of them 2 piece. I haven't left myself any notes about problems to watch for. Pretty straight forward.
 

LOBALOT

Hall of Fame
Thank you everyone for all your help. For 2 piece do you make the final tie off at 11T as Wilson specifies as it is a pretty long run from the last cross up to that grommet and in doing so you end up with 3 strings on the outside of the frame as the string crosses the grommets along the way?

It looks like a lot of you are enlarging a grommet and finding new locations to tie off.
 

Wes

Professional
@LOBALOT,
I can definitely help you out.
I'll contact you later, when I have more time.
How soon do you need to have the Juice 108 done by?
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
For 2 piece do you make the final tie off at 11T as Wilson specifies as it is a pretty long run from the last cross up to that grommet and in doing so you end up with 3 strings on the outside of the frame as the string crosses the grommets along the way.
If you String 2 piece and tie off mains at 8T there is 3 strings outside the frame for the final tie off crosses where the loop is for the outer mains but you don’t need to enlarge grommets using 11T.
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
I don't string any frame, allowed or not, bottom up. If you are uncomfortable doing an ATW, just string it two-piece. You can't go wrong either way. One thing to remember, given you OP, the bigger the head size, the more prone to structural failure the frame is. Good luck.
 

LOBALOT

Hall of Fame
I don't string any frame, allowed or not, bottom up. If you are uncomfortable doing an ATW, just string it two-piece. You can't go wrong either way. One thing to remember, given you OP, the bigger the head size, the more prone to structural failure the frame is. Good luck.
Thanks, that was what I was thinking. Therefore I have been stringing these ATW but even then it is not the cleanest.

What lead me to write this thread is I have been thinking that to get myself closer to the tie offs if I should do an ATW but one where I run the bottom cross and then make a run up the frame on the 6th main which is close to the bottom cross and then string the 2nd top from the cross and work my way down. To balance the racquet on the short side skip 6 and do 7 and 8 first. Then run up the 6th main and then do the top cross and tie off.

Of course I would do the short side first but felt it was easier to explain in reverse order.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Thanks, that was what I was thinking. Therefore I have been stringing these ATW but even then it is not the cleanest.

What lead me to write this thread is I have been thinking that to get myself closer to the tie offs if I should do an ATW but one where I run the bottom cross and then make a run up the frame on the 6th main which is close to the bottom cross and then string the 2nd top from the cross and work my way down. To balance the racquet on the short side skip 6 and do 7 and 8 first. Then run up the 6th main and then do the top cross and tie off.

Of course I would do the short side first but felt it was easier to explain in reverse order.
Use the ATW I described in post #3, it uses regular tie off, is very clean, very short run for tie offs, eliminates drawback on tie offs, and there is no short section of frame supporting a tension pull.
 

LOBALOT

Hall of Fame
Use the ATW I described in post #3, it uses regular tie off, is very clean, very short run for tie offs, eliminates drawback on tie offs, and there is no short section of frame supporting a tension pull.
OK, thank you for all your help Irvin!
 
I use a box pattern. I don't like tying off the 2nd to last main, and prefer to tie off a cross. With the short side, I'll string all but the last main on one side, then string the top cross (sometimes the top 3 crosses). With the long string, I string all the mains, which leaves me at the throat. I then string the bottom cross or 2nd from bottom cross, depending on how blocked the bottom hole will be. Then, bring the long string up, doing the last main on the opposite side where you're ready to resume the crosses from top to bottom. Some people don't like this pattern as you have a "hard" weave every other cross, but I'm used to it, and I think it distributes tension more evenly on the frame. There are multiple ATW patterns though, so you might like some better than others.
 

Wes

Professional
I’d string it with an ATW and short on the right. Use a Yonex / Parnell Loop and tie off SS at 5HR. Next to last cross ties off at 8TR.
Use the ATW I described in post #3, it uses regular tie off, is very clean, very short run for tie offs, eliminates drawback on tie offs, and there is no short section of frame supporting a tension pull.
The problem is... you didn't actually specify exactly which ATW pattern you are referring to.
Considering that there are MANY ATW patterns, the advice is of little help.

It seems that you're probably suggesting the Universal ATW. If that's indeed the case, why not be as clear as possible and just state that outright (to eliminate possible confusion)?
Just because you know what pattern you're talking about, don't assume that everyone else does (especially people who read these forums/boards that haven't been stringing for 10, 20, 30, 40+ years).

I don't string any frame, allowed or not, bottom up. If you are uncomfortable doing an ATW, just string it two-piece.
I concur!
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
The problem is... you didn't actually specify exactly which ATW pattern you are referring to.
Considering that there are MANY ATW patterns, the advice is of little help.

It seems that you're probably suggesting the Universal ATW. If that's indeed the case, why not be as clear as possible and just state that outright (to eliminate possible confusion)?
Just because you know what pattern you're talking about, don't assume that everyone else does (especially people who read these forums/boards that haven't been stringing for 10, 20, 30, 40+ years).


I concur!
If you start with the short side on the right and tie the short side on the right at 5HR. How many ways can you do that? I did assume everyone would know you use the long side to cross over on the bottom cross and string the last main on the short side and all the remaining crosses top down.

EDIT: String right mains 1-5, 7, & 6 with short side and tie off at 5H with a Parnell Loop. String remaining with the long side string.
 
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