Wilson Clash and Clash Tour-First Hit

#1
Hi guys,
Thanks to a good friend, I have a chance to demo the Wilson Clash and Clash Tour. The sticks are strung with NXT. I have no idea what tension. I'll find out. I only had an hour today as it's raining on an off and will on Tuesday as well. The clash wieghed in at 10.8 ounces and the Tour at 11.4. My summation- These racquets feel like nothing I've ever hit with. The punch far above their weight.

First hit- We could hear the NXT notching as we hit with it. I feel these sticks witht their open patters were made for poly.

Groundstrokes- Depth was surprisingly easy, spin was good, not Pure Aero good but still very good. Slicing was O.K. There isn't enough weight in the head to really knife a slice. Neither of us felt the tour version added much here. It feels a little more muted but doesn't add much more stability. The regular clash just seemed like it was more fun...especially on the run. The power level is hard to determine. It doesn't feel like it's putting much on the ball but the feedback from the other side is that the ball is coming through the court pretty well.

Volleys- Pretty stable for their weight but not a volley machine like the RF-97 or Ultra Tour although defensive stick volleys were easier and more controllable. I did feel the hoop "collapse" on me once or twice. It was an unusual feel but I had my partner firing rockets at me. I have kind of stone hands at the net, often in this situation, I reflexively "brace for impact", especially with lighter racquets. I found less balls going long with the Clash than I would with a Pure Aero. I tend to prefer heavier racquets at net, 325 swing weight, where I can just direct the ball. My partner can actually volley with a baseball bat and found the clash great at net and felt the regular Clash was stable enough and he might benefit from the extra maneuverability.

Serves- Spin serves were great, even with NXT. The regular ultra get the nod here. Flat serves is where I felt the tour might have had a slight advantage. However, I had my partner return while I tried to hit the same serve, one with the tour and one with the regular Clash. He said there was virtually no difference. I did feel the the clash's hoop "collapse" on me a few times when I was really going for a flat ace. It was a little weird but the resulting shot was very good.

Feel-This racquet feels modern to me. It reminds me of a Pure Drive (2015) rather than an Ultra tour or PS85. It's crisp but never harsh. I'll probably say this a few times but it's very different than anything I've ever hit with. The Clash tour feels a little more muted and possibly a little more solid, like it wins the collision of racquet/ball a bit better but we both feel it did not produce a significantly better shot for the extra .6 ounces it was carrying.

Touch-Not as good as a true touch racquet like the Ultra tour but far better than a Pure Drive or Pure Aero. I noticed a little trampoline effect compared to the Ultra tour or my buddies V-sense 4 ( a terribly underrated racquet) but the flex in the head made it much easier to control balls than a standard tweener.

Power-Maybe slightly less than a Pure Strike. It's a little deceiving because what I feel coming off the racquet and what my partner was reveiving were not the same. I thought I was hitting powder puffs but my partner felt they were pretty heavy.

So first-round left me perplexed more than anything. The ultra's are more stable and powerful than anything I've hit with in their weight range but hitting with them is like learing a new language. I'm not sure yet how to understand what I am feeling or seeing. It could be good or it could be bad. I will tell you, my elbow feels great.

I'll have a better idea of whats going on Wednesday. I'll be hitting with my coach who has my old Pure Strike ( I was moving down to a 4-1/4 grip and he laked the larger grip).
 
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#2
The ultra's are more stable and powerful than anything I've hit with in their weight range but hitting with them is like learing a new language.
Great review, thank you (y)

Just to be sure, is this a typo: ultra's should be clash's ?

Did you ever hit with Prince TT100P or Angell TC100 ? if so how do the Clash compare.

Cheers, Toby
 
#3
Hi Toby,
Yeah. I went back and fixed it...Original post was pre-coffee. It should say clash where it is supposed to now. I've hit with with both. It's really hard to compare the clash as it's so different. I remember the TC100 better. The feel of the Angell is more like a classic buttery OG frame. The flex in the throat at impact is what threw me off of the tc-100. I also found too much trampoline effect. The TT100P was a little too muted for me. I would classify both of those stick as classic old feeling racquets. The Clash does not feel like this at all. I walked away thinking the clash was a pure drive-a little less powerful, a little more controllable and much more stable without the harshness you can get from a 68+ stiffness racquet.
 
#4
Thanks, very interesting and tempting. It also seems like the TW reviewers liked the non tour the best.

I am currently playing the TT100P and looking for something more easy, perhaps more powerfull yet arm friendly, so TC100 and Clash is on my list.

Cheers, Toby
 
#5
Good choices in my opinion. The TC-100 will feel more like the TT100P. The Clash is just something completely different. It checks all of your boxes but the feel is very subjective and thats the part I have a tough time coming up with a comparison. I think the feel will be the polarizing factor for this racquet.
 
#6
Hit with both Clashes for the first time last night as well. Agree with the assessment overall, especially about feel being potentially polarizing as it is pretty unique. Racquets excel at 75% swing speed and playing rally balls with good depth and spin. I thought control suffered on all out swings and the somewhat erratic launch angle of the string bed started to show when I really tried to go for it. It'd be interesting to see how control might improve in an 18x20 or even a 16x19 that ran 8 mains in the middle. The beam width and geometry made it feel a bit clunky at the net and I didn't think it had the same level of touch around the net as my DR98. Agree it has a bit more trampoline feel to it compared to a traditional player frame but I still found it to have better touch than a PD or Aero. Spin serves were great but I had some trouble reigning in the power level on flatter serves. Much like groundstrokes, I found serving flat at 75% was much easier to control and place than going all out. Stability was good overall on both overall but I still think my DR is a bit more solid as the Clash fluttered a bit more when redirecting heavy pace.

There really isn't something I can compare the Clash to in terms of feel. It plays crisp (not the buttery softness some of the hype would suggest) but is plenty comfortable. The sound on contact reminds me of what you get when the ball exits a stiff frame with no dampener but you can feel the frame pocketing the ball more. It's an odd sensation because the sound and result look like the shot came off a stiff frame but the feel is muted and has more flex.

I didn't see anything overall that would incentivize me to switch but I do think the frame will do well with the 3.0 - 4.0 levels especially, as it generates plenty of power and spin at moderate swing speeds, has enough touch and stability to hold it's own at the net and plays more comfortably than most stiff, power focused frame offerings.
 
#7
MLocke1322-well said. Any 16X19 with 8 mains through the middle is welcome in my book. Maybe the Clash 98 will reign in the power a bit. Your DR-98 is potentially heavier with a higher swingweight depending on which Clash you preferred. Did you prefer one over the other? I feel Wilson might have made a mistake with the tour. The increased the weight to 11.4 ounces and SWto 322+/- but made it even more headlight, from 7pt to 9pts. because of that, they swing too similar IMHO.
 
#8
MLocke1322-well said. Any 16X19 with 8 mains through the middle is welcome in my book. Maybe the Clash 98 will reign in the power a bit. Your DR-98 is potentially heavier with a higher swingweight depending on which Clash you preferred. Did you prefer one over the other? I feel Wilson might have made a mistake with the tour. The increased the weight to 11.4 ounces and SWto 322+/- but made it even more headlight, from 7pt to 9pts. because of that, they swing too similar IMHO.
Agreed, I didn't think there was really much difference between the 2. I played more with the Tour as it is closer in spec to my usual setup. The Tour would standout more if it were slightly thinner beamed or had a diff string pattern maybe. They're comfortable but I definitely prefer that denser, "meatier" feel on contact that the DR offers. The Clash just has such an unusual juxtaposition of flex and muted feel w/ high exit velocity & angle. Plus I found the sound on contact just odd. It sounds like hitting an older Aero with stiff poly and no dampener but my brain didn't want to match that up with the feel it has.
 
#11
MLocke1322-well said. Any 16X19 with 8 mains through the middle is welcome in my book. Maybe the Clash 98 will reign in the power a bit. Your DR-98 is potentially heavier with a higher swingweight depending on which Clash you preferred. Did you prefer one over the other? I feel Wilson might have made a mistake with the tour. The increased the weight to 11.4 ounces and SWto 322+/- but made it even more headlight, from 7pt to 9pts. because of that, they swing too similar IMHO.
Tour should have been a 18x19 or 18x20 string bed. With that HL balance and higher swingweight it would have been a great option for a more closed stringbed to lower launch angle for better players.
 
#12
Second hit today.
Today I got to hit with my instructor who coincidentally has my old Pure Strike. Although he builds his grip up alot, like with 5 overgrips (not really but he builds it up that much).
The Clash got put away after about 10 minutes of rallying. My 3/4 rally ball was just all over the place. It came right back with the tour. We both felt the Clash tour hit a bigger ball with more spin than the Pure Strike but it was a little harder to go from a truly spinny ball to a trully flat ball. It wasn't as noticeable difference as hitting with a Pure Aero which I also pulled out. Generally speaking, I liked the feedback of the Pure Strike more than the Clash Tour but, the Pure Stike is my old racquet. The Spin vs/Flat thing was more of an issue when going from rally to closing off of a short ball. It was a little harder to get the Clash Tour to do what I wanted.

Depth was much easier to obtain with the clash tour.

I definitely preferred the Pure Stike on volleys. I seemed more point and shoot. I struggled a little bit getting the volleys deep on the Clash Tour...I don't know why.
Touch might be a little better with the Clash tour but somewhat unpredictable at times. What I mean by this is when I got it right, my drop shots were great but there were times when they would just dribble off the racquet.

I need more time on serves. I feel I get more spin with the Clash Tour but more penetration with the Pure Strike.
 
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#13
Second hit today.
Today I got to hit with my instructor who coincidentally has my old Pure Strike. Although he builds his grip up alot, like with 5 overgrips (not really but he builds it up that much).
The Clash got put away after about 10 minutes of rallying. My 3/4 rally ball was just all over the place. It came right back with the tour. We both felt the Clash tour hit a bigger ball with more spin than the Pure Strike but it was a little harder to go from a truly spinny ball to a trully flat ball. It wasn't as noticeable difference as hitting with a Pure Aero which I also pulled out. Generally speaking, I liked the feedback of the Pure Strike more than the Clash Tour but, the Pure Stike is my old racquet. The Spin vs/Flat thing was more of an issue when going from rally to closing off of a short ball. It was a little harder to get the Clash Tour to do what I wanted.

Depth was much easier to obtain with the clash tour.

I definitely preferred the Pure Stike on volleys. I seemed more point and shoot. I struggled a little bit getting the volleys deep on the Clash Tour...I don't know why.
Touch might be a little better with the Clash tour but somewhat unpredictable at times. What I mean by this is when I got it right, my drop shots were great but there were times when they would just dribble off the racquet.

I need more time on serves. I feel I get more spin with the Clash Tour but more penetration with the Pure Strike.
18x20 Pure Strike or 16x19 Pure Strike?
 
#15
Second hit today.
Today I got to hit with my instructor who coincidentally has my old Pure Strike. Although he builds his grip up alot, like with 5 overgrips (not really but he builds it up that much).
The Clash got put away after about 10 minutes of rallying. My 3/4 rally ball was just all over the place. It came right back with the tour. We both felt the Clash tour hit a bigger ball with more spin than the Pure Strike but it was a little harder to go from a truly spinny ball to a trully flat ball. It wasn't as noticeable difference as hitting with a Pure Aero which I also pulled out. Generally speaking, I liked the feedback of the Pure Strike more than the Clash Tour but, the Pure Stike is my old racquet. The Spin vs/Flat thing was more of an issue when going from rally to closing off of a short ball. It was a little harder to get the Clash Tour to do what I wanted.

Depth was much easier to obtain with the clash tour.

I definitely preferred the Pure Stike on volleys. I seemed more point and shoot. I struggled a little bit getting the volleys deep on the Clash Tour...I don't know why.
Touch might be a little better with the Clash tour but somewhat unpredictable at times. What I mean by this is when I got it right, my drop shots were great but there were times when they would just dribble off the racquet.

I need more time on serves. I feel I get more spin with the Clash Tour but more penetration with the Pure Strike.
How's it feel on your Arm, Shoulder, Elbow? Its supposed to be arm Friendly? Any weird soreness? You said your elbow feels great, did you have pain with the Pure Strike or other racquet?
 
#17
O.K.
Final thoughts. I'm going back to the Pure Strike. I feel its a tad more accurate and predictable for me. I like the feel better. This could very much be a case of me going back to what I know. I liked the strike and would not have even been demoing if I hadn't sold mine to go down a size. I walked in to buy a Pure Strike, they were out and said..Try this..

My biggest issue with the the Clash is it's too Head lite. I find it hard to get womp on the ball and lose the the tip a little on volleys. The clash is 7pts HL and the Clash tour is 9pt hl.. I think 5pts and 6 or 7 pts would be better. I added some lead to the Clash and it was better but not great...so I'm going back to what I know.

With that said, Wilson is going to sell a ton of these. It's a pretty remarkable racquet.
 
#18
Would you recommend this racquet or the prince textreme tour 100p (2015 or 2019 version)? I just sold my babolat pure drive as it was giving me arm issues and I was unable to control the pace.
I can't demo racquets in my country so your thoughts are helpful. Need a flexible and control oriented racquet with good feel.
 
#19
Would you recommend this racquet or the prince textreme tour 100p (2015 or 2019 version)? I just sold my babolat pure drive as it was giving me arm issues and I was unable to control the pace.
I can't demo racquets in my country so your thoughts are helpful. Need a flexible and control oriented racquet with good feel.
If you need more control I definitely don't recommend the Clash. It plays like a softer PD but control is about the same if not worse. The TT100P is a completely different racquet with more control due to the 18x20 string pattern.
 
#20
If you need more control I definitely don't recommend the Clash. It plays like a softer PD but control is about the same if not worse. The TT100P is a completely different racquet with more control due to the 18x20 string pattern.
I may have a chance to try this in my country through friends travelling back and forth from the US and return within 60 days as per the clash confidence gaurantee if I don't like it.
But if I return I must decide which flexible and good feel Wilson racquet to buy around 290-300g unstrung.
1. Wilson blade 305g. But reviews say it's a bit less manueverable
2. Wilson blade 98L at 290g unstrung, not many reviews about this model
3. Wilson prostaff 97LS black. From the user feedback am not very convinced this is solid enough.
 
#21
How much power do you need?
The Wilson Ultra tour has incredible feel and control but you need to general pretty much all of the power. One of the best volleying racquets I've ever used. If you liked the pure drive but want something more arm friendly, possibly with better control, you will love the Clash. Thinking it through, I think the Clash was designed to be a Pure/Aero Drive killer.
 
#22
How much power do you need?
The Wilson Ultra tour has incredible feel and control but you need to general pretty much all of the power. One of the best volleying racquets I've ever used. If you liked the pure drive but want something more arm friendly, possibly with better control, you will love the Clash. Thinking it through, I think the Clash was designed to be a Pure/Aero Drive killer.
Is this racquet good in stock form too? Most players seem to customize it. I don't need too much power. I had missed considering this model. Interesting that the review mentions liquid metal radical mp which was one of my previous racquets about 10 yrs back.
Other option is for me to totally skip the Clash purchase and instead just buy the prince textreme tour 100p, saving quite a bit of money too! From reviews prince TT 100p sounds similar to this Wilson ultra tour but with a bit more power
 
#23
The TT100P is a similar type of racquet. Definitely in the old school buttery type feel. I think I felt it was redundant as I already had the Ultra tour. I felt the ultra was a little less muted, better at spin and better at volleys but not by alot. The TT100P may have had more power, but not by alot. This is going from memory. They are very different from the Clash. The clash plays like a pure drive without the elbow issues and better touch. There's no "boing" trampoline effect. I remember the Ultra tour better than the tt100P as I still own one. The Clash is tennis on easy but it's not that cushy ride that I seem to fall in love with.
I love the feel of the Volkl powerbridge mid, 85 and 90 sq in prostaffs, The Ultra tour, the older radicals and Prestiges. These days, I need a little more help that these sticks can provide. The clash is not in this camp at all. I can win with the APD, Pure Drive, radicals but really do not like the feel or touch with these racquets. The clash attempts to bridge the gap. It feels like a modern racquet, has a little less power and spin than the Pure Drives but still has a lot on ground strokes. But it's not as harsh and better for your arm than a pure drive. It has better touch too.

It does not serve as well as a pure drive but few things do. I really didn't like serving with the clash.
I find the pure strike in this "tweener's tweener" category as well. It's a little softer than a PD/PA with a thinner beam, you have to be more careful with strings as it can hurt your arm if you string it too high but i find the control a little better and it's a little more predictable...probably more because its closer to every racquet i've ever hit with and there is a familiarity with that as opposed to the clash which is a whole new ball of wax. I get more free points on my ground strokes with the Clash FWIW.

Answering the mod question,
It depends on how you play. If you are a serve and volley player, I don't think the Ultra tour needs much, except maybe stringing it a little loose to get some depth (I do tourbite at 45lbs). I played with some very good players the other day (ex-D1, Open level player and a former Van der meer instrucor...I am by far the weakest player.) and as long as I was moving forward on every point, I was fine. If I stayed back and tried to rally, It took too much energy to stay in the point and way too much energy to generate a passing shot. I couldn't really hurt anybody with my ground strokes. I'd need to add weight at that point do get that extra "whack" on the ball and that requires even more energy.

I hope that helps.
 
#24
Is this racquet good in stock form too? Most players seem to customize it. I don't need too much power. I had missed considering this model. Interesting that the review mentions liquid metal radical mp which was one of my previous racquets about 10 yrs back.
Other option is for me to totally skip the Clash purchase and instead just buy the prince textreme tour 100p, saving quite a bit of money too! From reviews prince TT 100p sounds similar to this Wilson ultra tour but with a bit more power
The Ultra Tour lacks power as it is design for you to customize it. The 2015 Blade 18x20 has great power and control but lacks the maneuverability of the Ultra Tour.
 
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