Wilson clash max RA for those with tennis elbow or injuries?

[pete101]

For those of you with tennis elbow or injuries using a wilson clash what is the max RA you can go to with it still being comfortable? (I should clarify i meant what RA of a clash not other rackets)

Reports of the V2 100 pro 98 at RA 59 and 60 are that it is no way as comfortable as the V1 at 55

What is the max RA where it is still comfortable? Is the V2 100 at 57 the max RA tolerated?

I haven't played with the V2 100 more than 10 secs so cant gauge if it is still comfortable all i know is ny V1 108 at RA 56 is still comfy.

Would the consensus say for the clash a 58 RA is the max it should be comfort wise?

 

[toby55555]

Depends what other features a racket has. Some Pro Kennex are around 64 but still comfy due to the kinetic technology.

 

[WYK]

I would go with a Prince Textreme Tour 100 ATS before a Clash.
The Clash tends to stiffen up when you shank balls with it. It feels terrible when this happens, and is hard on the elbow that way.
The Prince has more control, the same power, is easier on strings, still has great spin, and is much easier on the arm.
And once your injuries are gone, you can still play with it - it's a great stick.

 

[born_hard]

Is the 98 ATS also easy on the arm? Because i have a wrist injury again and need a very easy on the arm racket, but im used to 98 size.

 

[pete101]

Depends what other features a racket has. Some Pro Kennex are around 64 but still comfy due to the kinetic technology.

I should have clarified what is the max RA of a clash you're willing to use

 

[pete101]

I would go with a Prince Textreme Tour 100 ATS before a Clash.
The Clash tends to stiffen up when you shank balls with it. It feels terrible when this happens, and is hard on the elbow that way.
The Prince has more control, the same power, is easier on strings, still has great spin, and is much easier on the arm.
And once your injuries are gone, you can still play with it - it's a great stick.

I should have clarified what is the max RA of a clash you would go to.

Is the stiffening up due to swing speed?

I added weight to the clash to slow down the swing speed to eliminate this stiffening up so i have a highish swingweight so retain same power and comfort

The issue was had to take some off also because i couldn't get the racket head around in time but i think i have resolved it

Whenever i frame it it does not hurt at all all it does is thud a bit

I appreciate this may not be an option for people with huge backswings though

 

[pete101]

Is the 98 ATS also easy on the arm? Because i have a wrist injury again and need a very easy on the arm racket, but im used to 98 size.

I should have clarified what is the max RA of a clash you would use.

Clash 98 v1 is comfy

Also yonex v core pro HD 97 is 59 RA but 18 x 20 string pattern

 

[Oval_Solid]

hopefully clash v3 will go back to the more flexy 55

 

[Crocodile]

Need to add here that while RA is an important metric in arm safe performance you also need to factor in mass, balance, SW, beam type, handle size, shape, handle technology, frame lay up and technology, string pattern and choice and how suitable the racquet is for for your game.
At present my go to racquets for arm safety include:
1. PK Q Tour 300, 315 and 325
2. PK Black Ace 315, 300
3. Angell K 7 Red and Lime
4. PK 5G & 7G
5. Volkl C10 Pro 330 and PB 10 Mid
6. Prince Phantom 100P
7. Diadem Elevate 98
8. Wilson Clash Pro 100
9. Pacific X Force pro 320
10. Aretrngo Control Tour
11. Volkl V1 Classic
There are plenty of older models that would qualify if one is prepared to hunt down sticks
EG: Prince Speed port tour 97
Volkl SG V1 Pro
Boris Becker Melbourne
Volkl Tour 10 MP

 

[pete101]

hopefully clash v3 will go back to the more flexy 55

They wont

Because that would mean wilson admitting they made a mistake lol

At best we can hope they release 2 editions

One 16 x19 pro which is like 56 RA and say a 16 x 20 pro edition which is RA 59

 

[pete101]

Need to add here that while RA is an important metric in arm safe performance you also need to factor in mass, balance, SW, beam type, handle size, shape, handle technology, frame lay up and technology, string pattern and choice and how suitable the racquet is for for your game.
At present my go to racquets for arm safety include:
1. PK Q Tour 300, 315 and 325
2. PK Black Ace 315, 300
3. Angell K 7 Red and Lime
4. PK 5G & 7G
5. Volkl C10 Pro 330 and PB 10 Mid
6. Prince Phantom 100P
7. Diadem Elevate 98
8. Wilson Clash Pro 100
9. Pacific X Force pro 320
10. Aretrngo Control Tour
11. Volkl V1 Classic
There are plenty of older models that would qualify if one is prepared to hunt down sticks
EG: Prince Speed port tour 97
Volkl SG V1 Pro
Boris Becker Melbourne
Volkl Tour 10 MP

As mentioned in following posts i am only talking about the max RA clash people are willing to accept not other rackets

But thanks for the list it is very useful for alternatives.

 

[Crocodile]

As mentioned in following posts i am only talking about the max RA clash people are willing to accept not other rackets

But thanks for the list it is very useful for alternatives.

In that respect I actually preferred the RA of the V2 of the 100 Pro at 59, with its velvet paint finish .
Around that 57 to 62 is where I think they should be aiming at with the specs that accompany them.
If Wilson was to go back to a 55 RA it would work best if they released a pro staff clash at 12oz, that would have the stability to back up the 55 RA.

 

[pete101]

In that respect I actually preferred the RA of the V2 of the 100 Pro at 59, with its velvet paint finish .
Around that 57 to 62 is where I think they should be aiming at with the specs that accompany them.
If Wilson was to go back to a 55 RA it would work best if they released a pro staff clash at 12oz, that would have the stability to back up the 55 RA.

The whole point of a clash is for it to be a comfy racket first and foremost

59 and 60 RA are not comfortable.. yeah you get better performance but defeats the purpose of the clash in the first place

 

[pete101]

In that respect I actually preferred the RA of the V2 of the 100 Pro at 59, with its velvet paint finish .
Around that 57 to 62 is where I think they should be aiming at with the specs that accompany them.
If Wilson was to go back to a 55 RA it would work best if they released a pro staff clash at 12oz, that would have the stability to back up the 55 RA.

I agree with the paint job improvement though i love it many dont but i feel the v1 paint job looks so mid 2010s now ie old not contemporary 2020's plus looks cheap

 

[pete101]

In that respect I actually preferred the RA of the V2 of the 100 Pro at 59, with its velvet paint finish .
Around that 57 to 62 is where I think they should be aiming at with the specs that accompany them.
If Wilson was to go back to a 55 RA it would work best if they released a pro staff clash at 12oz, that would have the stability to back up the 55 RA.

Is the idea having a high weight off sets the 55RA performance wise?

I add weight to my clashes as they are do head light but not the traditional lead or blu tac as that changes the vibration or increases it

I use 6 rubber bands in the handle, a custom wilson finishing ring over the grip tape a shock trap dampener and 3 layers of racket saver tape over the bumper

It gives more swing weight and power

I extend the racket saver tape over the hoop up to where it is black both sides

I find it makes the sweet spot bigger but strangely makes it feel slightly stiffer but not as bad as weight or blu tac does

I like the fact that wilson racket saver tape or any tape distributes the weight evenly all the way round the hoop or bumper

On the V2 i just put it over the bumper as i dont want to spoil the cosmetic of haf dark red half black

With the v1 im indifferent as dont really like the colourway in the first place so dont mind covering it up

 

[Hurting Elbow]

For those of you with tennis elbow or injuries using a wilson clash what is the max RA you can go to with it still being comfortable? (I should clarify i meant what RA of a clash not other rackets)

Reports of the V2 100 pro 98 at RA 59 and 60 are that it is no way as comfortable as the V1 at 55

What is the max RA where it is still comfortable? Is the V2 100 at 57 the max RA tolerated?

I haven't played with the V2 100 more than 10 secs so cant gauge if it is still comfortable all i know is ny V1 108 at RA 56 is still comfy.

Would the consensus say for the clash a 58 RA is the max it should be comfort wise?

I may try a new Blade 98 with the Clash Technology, Prince or ProKinnex but so far only the original Clash Pro works long term for my sensitive arm. The V2 felt stiff almost immediately. The V1 108 and Spin stiffness were fine but got the overextension feeling I get when using light racquets. The 2011 BLX Team Blade was ok but not the greatest racquet. Newer Team Blade great at first but then too stiff, a familiar end.

 

[toby55555]

I may try a new Blade 98 with the Clash Technology, Prince or ProKinnex but so far only the original Clash Pro works long term for my sensitive arm. The V2 felt stiff almost immediately. The V1 108 and Spin stiffness were fine but got the overextension feeling I get when using light racquets. The 2011 BLX Team Blade was ok but not the greatest racquet. Newer Team Blade great at first but then too stiff, a familiar end.

You won’t find any problem with the PK Ki 5G Pro; I have a very sensitive elbow too.

 

[pete101]

I may try a new Blade 98 with the Clash Technology, Prince or ProKinnex but so far only the original Clash Pro works long term for my sensitive arm. The V2 felt stiff almost immediately. The V1 108 and Spin stiffness were fine but got the overextension feeling I get when using light racquets. The 2011 BLX Team Blade was ok but not the greatest racquet. Newer Team Blade great at first but then too stiff, a familiar end.

V2 100 too stiff for me think i answered my own question 57 RA on a clash is too high.

56 RA max like on the 108 v1

I haven't tried the 100L V2 yet though. Because the stiffened the top of the hoop with the fortyfive tech i wonder if that RA 55 feels like the v1 100's 55 RA

 

[KungfuTennis]

I don't think Clash - light weight + low flex - is really all that arm-friendly. I personally feel a LOT of twisting and instability when I use a stock clash, in fact a stock Clash v2 is the only racket that I have EVER felt wrist discomfort with in my entire life.

 

[Hurting Elbow]

V2 100 too stiff for me think i answered my own question 57 RA on a clash is too high.

56 RA max like on the 108 v1

I haven't tried the 100L V2 yet though. Because the stiffened the top of the hoop with the fortyfive tech i wonder if that RA 55 feels like the v1 100's 55 RA

The discontined Wilson Clash S is great for stiffness at 54 but I get the overextension feeling from it. Going to ask how to modify it to the VI Pro.

 

[Rosstour]

As mentioned in following posts i am only talking about the max RA clash people are willing to accept not other rackets

But thanks for the list it is very useful for alternatives.

You'll realize the Clash gets almost no love here. It's regarded as a gimmicky racquet for no-talent clowns and old farts who can't play with the latest Yonex or Head player's stick, or a classic like the Phantom 93P.

And then you have the ProKennex clowns who just like to say "Doppio" and "Banana" knowing full well that only 10 guys on the forums if that know which racquets those nicknames refer to.

 

[Hurting Elbow]

I don't think Clash - light weight + low flex - is really all that arm-friendly. I personally feel a LOT of twisting and instability when I use a stock clash, in fact a stock Clash v2 is the only racket that I have EVER felt wrist discomfort with in my entire life.

I didn't like any of the V2. V1 Pro is the best IMO.

 

[Ryebread]

I've played extensively with clash 98 frames
clash 98 v1 > v2 IMO
with poly, I'd stay at 52lbs and under
other strings you can prob go up to 57 or so

 

[Oval_Solid]

does v2 clash still use velvet paint?

 

[pete101]

I don't think Clash - light weight + low flex - is really all that arm-friendly. I personally feel a LOT of twisting and instability when I use a stock clash, in fact a stock Clash v2 is the only racket that I have EVER felt wrist discomfort with in my entire life.

Which clash v2 do you use?

The pro v2 isnt a real clash. 59 RA

But also the tip of the hoop is stiffer in all of them. Yeah it gives it more stability but the sacrifice is comfort if you hit the top of the frame

It makes me wonder if the v2 100L even though at 55RA will be the same as the a V1 55 RA

 

[pete101]

I've played extensively with clash 98 frames
clash 98 v1 > v2 IMO
with poly, I'd stay at 52lbs and under
other strings you can prob go up to 57 or so

V2 is completely different also much stiffer by 5RA and 16 x 20 string pattern

 

[pete101]

I didn't like any of the V2. V1 Pro is the best IMO.

I agree also i love how my 100 V1 pro plays with added customisation topping out at 361g

Incredible swingweight just maybe slightly too heavy as cant bring racket round in time to go inside out forehands down the line

 

[pete101]

does v2 clash still use velvet paint?

Yes i thi

You'll realize the Clash gets almost no love here. It's regarded as a gimmicky racquet for no-talent clowns and old farts who can't play with the latest Yonex or Head player's stick, or a classic like the Phantom 93P.

And then you have the ProKennex clowns who just like to say "Doppio" and "Banana" knowing full well that only 10 guys on the forums if that know which racquets those nicknames ref

You'll realize the Clash gets almost no love here. It's regarded as a gimmicky racquet for no-talent clowns and old farts who can't play with the latest Yonex or Head player's stick, or a classic like the Phantom 93P.

And then you have the ProKennex clowns who just like to say "Doppio" and "Banana" knowing full well that only 10 guys on the forums if that know which racquets those nicknames refer to.

People dont get what the clash is for it is for people like me who used to play with a pure aero supet stiff rackets, messed up their arms and had to find a suitable comfortable racket with compromised performance

The clash ticks these boxes

A flexi racket by nature is going to be unpredictable look at the rackets from the early 90s the sweet spot is tiny

The clash is the first flexi racket that bends in 3D it creates a pocket which widens the sweet spot dramatically obviously not like a stiffer racket rim to rim but compared to the early 90s princes etc it is a god send.

You can tell how old people are when they talk about the clash having unpredictabikity they clearly hadnt played with a prince 90 frame from 1990 those balls would fly just like clashes do but the difference was when it was anything off centre.

I dont think people get who clashes are for and in part nor do wilson cos they tried to improve performance in the V2 yet they have just cannibalised their main buyers of the racket which are not high performers of 4.5+ who use super stiff rackets but those who have arm injuries and beginner lower intermediates as the head light balance is ideal learning tool not these head heavy cheap frames

 

[pete101]

The discontined Wilson Clash S is great for stiffness at 54 but I get the overextension feeling from it. Going to ask how to modify it to the VI Pro.

That was the 16 x 18 string pattern one wasnt it the same weight as the 100L?

Essentially they are the same frame but different string pattern?

The 100L had 54RA

 

[Hurting Elbow]

Makes sense.

 

[Curtennis]

RA is where it bends at one point in the racquet. It is not the absolute bearing on comfort.

 

[pete101]

RA is where it bends at one point in the racquet. It is not the absolute bearing on comfort.

Yeah but it canwhen a racket like the clash bends in 3 ways: vertically, horizontally and torsionally

The problem is RA is only measured horizontally

The wilson ballardo machine can measure it vertically but i haven't seen anyone with one posting a vid on YouTube on what RA vertical the clashes are

For instance the clash v1 could be 55RA all 3 ways but the v2 with the stiffened top of the hoop probably has a torsional RA in the 60s hence stiffer and more stability more power

 

[Bill Lobsalot]

Just string any racket you like with multi or syngut at 35 lbs.

 

[aaron_h27]

Just string any racket you like with multi or syngut at 35 lbs.

And watch the ball hit the fence!

 

[Bill Lobsalot]

And watch the ball hit the fence!

It does take some adjustment, but your arm will appreciate it, if that's his issue.

 

[teachingprotx]

Just string any racket you like with multi or syngut at 35 lbs.

I use isospeed axon multi at 36 and I love it for control and spin .