Wilson Clash: New mould or old frame re-done?

NuBas

NuBas

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Whats so exciting? Its another Wilson gimmick hence name C(l)ash, cause its gonna rip you off some cash.

They didn't even try (again) on the paint job.
 
NuBas

NuBas

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Automatix said:
I don't think a revolution is necessary. It would be much better to work on the basics: QC, material grades, foam filling, grommet design and such.

Wilson has great layups and molds... just not available to the non-pro crowd.
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Yeahh how about doing the basics right.
 
Geoff

Geoff

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I hit briefly with the Clash today. I played with the graphic that has been posted here and other sites. I tried one with black NXT 17 and the other with NXT 16 natural mains and Luxilon ALU Power in the crosses. Both felt very comfortable on groundstrokes and volleys. The spin off the frame was as good or better than I typically generate. The racquet is very maneuverable. The Clash had the Wilson feel at impact which to me is very crisp and clean. I have strung the frames but am not allowed to divulge specs or pictures (don't want to lose security clearance!). I hit regularly with the Wilson rep and am hoping to hit with the frame more this weekend. I will post a more detailed review at that time. Wilson is marketing this frame on the premise of trying it on court and making that the initial impression over pre judging based on specs. I think that this will be a very successful racquet for Wilson
 
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hurworld

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Geoff said:
I hit briefly with the Clash today. I played with the graphic that has been posted here and other sites. I tried one with black NXT 17 and the other with NXT 16 natural mains and Luxilon ALU Power in the crosses. Both felt very comfortable on groundstrokes and volleys. The spin off the frame was as good or better than I typically generate. The racquet is very maneuverable. The Clash had the Wilson feel at impact which to me is very crisp and clean. I have strung the frames but am not allowed to divulge specs or pictures (don't want to lose security clearance!). I hit regularly with the Wilson rep and am hoping to hit with the frame more this weekend. I will post a more detailed review at that time. Wilson is marketing this frame on the premise of trying it on court and making that the initial impression over pre judging based on specs. I think that this will be a very successful racquet for Wilson
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How does it compare to say Blade 98 16x19?
 
Automatix

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Geoff said:
I hit briefly with the Clash today. I played with the graphic that has been posted here and other sites. I tried one with black NXT 17 and the other with NXT 16 natural mains and Luxilon ALU Power in the crosses. Both felt very comfortable on groundstrokes and volleys. The spin off the frame was as good or better than I typically generate. The racquet is very maneuverable. The Clash had the Wilson feel at impact which to me is very crisp and clean. I have strung the frames but am not allowed to divulge specs or pictures (don't want to lose security clearance!). I hit regularly with the Wilson rep and am hoping to hit with the frame more this weekend. I will post a more detailed review at that time. Wilson is marketing this frame on the premise of trying it on court and making that the initial impression over pre judging based on specs. I think that this will be a very successful racquet for Wilson
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All are 16x19, right?
Off topic but what was the last Pure Drivish frame with an 18x20 pattern?
It seems that manufacturers mostly go all in when it comes to frame characteristics - they seem to either go with uber open pattern thick and stiff frames focused on power and spin or go for thin 18x20 although in the latter case with the exception of Prince they still struggle to provide low stiffness and box beams. IMHO the most recent attempt at a somewhat balanced frame is the Speed Pro although it still is very far from a Pure Drivish beam/geometry - not a fan of the model though. Of course producing a frame with somewhat contradictory features can easily lead to a really crappy frame.
 
Geoff

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Both models are a 16 x 19 pattern. It is similar in spacing to the 2015 Pure Drive with a denser pattern toward the top. Obviously others have pointed this out about the Clash.
 
IowaGuy

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Geoff said:
Both models are a 16 x 19 pattern. It is similar in spacing to the 2015 Pure Drive with a denser pattern toward the top. Obviously others have pointed this out about the Clash.
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What's the theory of having a denser pattern towards the top? Versus, say, even spacing like some rackets have?

My ProStaff 97s has spacing that is pretty dense towards the top and then gets progressively larger towards the bottom...
 
Geoff

Geoff

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IowaGuy said:
What's the theory of having a denser pattern towards the top? Versus, say, even spacing like some rackets have?

My ProStaff 97s has spacing that is pretty dense towards the top and then gets progressively larger towards the bottom...
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One school of thought/theory is that the ball is hit higher in the string bed and therefore a denser pattern lends to more control.

P.S. Special announcement/postings coming soon on the Clash!
 
bertrevert

bertrevert

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I don't know if it was the string pattern or the string in it (Alu) but by crikey there was a fair bit of very welcome spin coming out of the stringbed centre.

(However, like everyone else, when I think I'm hitting centre I'm probably actually hitting up top!)

So with no change in technique, and allowing for the diff strings, between playing my Speed 360 Mp and the Clash - I got bulk more spin.
 
NuBas

NuBas

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PBODY99 said:
@NuBas
He is reported to endorse the Ultra 95.
On Instagram Nike Japan showed him with shoes and he is signed for 2019-2020.
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I thought the blue paint job was reserved for Monfils or Madison Keys, now Nishikori will be endorsing it too so he probably becomes the face of that line.
The Clash will be the one in the orange color scheme and won't be endorse by anyone(?)
 
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hurworld

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NuBas said:
I thought the blue paint job was reserved for Monfils or Madison Keys, now Nishikori will be endorsing it too so he probably becomes the face of that line.
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Ultra 95, Ultra 97, Ultra 100, not to mention the LS and ULS. Plenty of models to go around.
 
CopolyX

CopolyX

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Perfect, it is exactly what we need! A new Wilson frame. You will play much better.
Let do the guess the new retail price game?
249 ?
239 ?
229 ?
Now guess the price 2 or 3 years from now?
 
1HBHfanatic

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time_fly said:
With this much hype it had better play tennis for me.
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Whats funny Is how you got all the wilson.heads here (including me), going nuts over the new wilson.clash raket
and you have the babo.heads (on a babolat new raket thread), going nuts! over the new puredive coming soon,,,
haaa
we all gravitate to what we like,, and new stuff is always exiting,,, until we try it first hand..
 
McEncock

McEncock

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I didn't say it's an easy racquet. But they are fantastic racquets for me. Especially the hammer tour 95. String it low, with BB original, and it's a weapon!
 
1HBHfanatic

1HBHfanatic

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So far ive heard irs a power raket
2 versions being released are light, fast, not over 11oz, only 16/19 pattern
with low flex, wich reduces power and allows long swings, which also pairs well with poly strings,
upto know I think its going to fit most club players,
women with long swings,
juniors,
until I hit with it myself I cant be sure, but the descriptions I got, will fit a large number of club players, and college/pro women..
 
Karma Tennis

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McEncock said:
The racquet that nishikori endorses is a real player racquet as it is based on the tour 95 mold.
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So Nadal's 100 sq inch AeroPro Drive isn't a REAL "player racquet"?

What about Federer's 97 sq inch Pro Staff? That's not a REAL "player racquet" either?

The game has moved on. Perhaps when you say "real player racquet" you mean to say "classic player racquet"?
 
A_Instead

A_Instead

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Makes me think....i play tennis...hence a tennis player....I use a tennis racket...since i play tennis and a tennis player...wouldn't my racket be a players racket....?
 
McEncock

McEncock

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I ment that this new lineup has under the paint not only new molds ; this particular 95 tour mold has been popular among amateurs and pros for 20 years.
 
IowaGuy

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Geoff said:
In my opinion night and day. It's a unique combination of having good power and stability in a lighter racquet.
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What's the theory behind a thick but flexible beam?

I usually associate thin beam with flexibility, and thick beam with stiffness.

But it looks like the Clash has a pretty thick beam, yet very low RA. What would be the advantage/disadvantage of this?
 
travlerajm

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Looks like Head is bringing back Prince’s CTS technology. Not a bad thing. Patents are expired, so why not?
 
Geoff

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IowaGuy said:
What's the theory behind a thick but flexible beam?

I usually associate thin beam with flexibility, and thick beam with stiffness.

But it looks like the Clash has a pretty thick beam, yet very low RA. What would be the advantage/disadvantage of this?
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I have hit with the Clash a good bit now and it’s an interesting combination of utilizing flex in the midpoint with the carbon mapping technology, the string pattern, beam shape and stiffness in the hoop. The beam width is thicker than a pro staff or Ultra Tour. The racquet I saw very maneuverable, comfortable and stable. I know that sounds like a lot but it is truly a frame that should be judged by a playtest and not looking at specs. A very unique frame.
 
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1HBHfanatic said:
So far ive heard irs a power raket
2 versions being released are light, fast, not over 11oz, only 16/19 pattern
with low flex, wich reduces power and allows long swings, which also pairs well with poly strings,
upto know I think its going to fit most club players,
women with long swings,
juniors,
until I hit with it myself I cant be sure, but the descriptions I got, will fit a large number of club players, and college/pro women..
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How can a power racquet have reduced power and low weight and low stiffness? o_O:unsure:
 
Geoff

Geoff

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travlerajm said:
The yellow one in Chris’s video review looks like it has a constant taper beam.
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The Xtreme? They actually redo that racquet every year. The mould has not really changed from last year in my opinion. I feel that the current mould is very close to the Instinct. Not meaning to detail the thread!
 
1HBHfanatic

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ron schaap said:
How can a power racket have reduced power and low weight and low stiffness? o_O:unsure:
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the thick racket frame gives it the power,
the low flex, makes it low power,
the open pattern gives it power/spin,
normally thick frames are hollow feel and light!, but reports of this racket feel of "solid" and fast is whats making me think this racket has a interesting combination of flex/thick frame, that are reacting well at impact..
 
Geoff

Geoff

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1HBHfanatic said:
@Geoff
after having hit with the clash, do you think it was geared towards the poly string market or softer/hybrid strings?
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I’ve actually hit with the Clash in hybrid, full poly and full multi. The string preference in my opinion is up to personal preference. All three setups were very comfortable. I am not a big lover of full poly and did not mind it in the Clash.
 
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hurworld

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Geoff said:
I’ve actually hit with the Clash in hybrid, full poly and full multi. The string preference in my opinion is up to personal preference. All three setups were very comfortable. I am not a big lover of full poly and did not mind it in the Clash.
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Do you know if the racquet will be sold pre-strung? If so, presumably full bed synthetic gut?

Any issues with low tension (low 40s) fb poly or high tension (high 50s) fb multi? Just want to know how sensitive it is to string set-up.
 
1HBHfanatic

1HBHfanatic

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@Geoff and @hurworld
yeah agreed, strings ultimately are preference driven,,
but comfort with full poly is my thinking on this racket
open pattern(16/19), 100" and soft flex should do well with full poly
i cant wait to hit with it
def. sounds like a interesting racket
 
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Big Bagel

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1HBHfanatic said:
read a post recently that the new colors of clash are grey, red, black
can anyone confirm??
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If that's true, how's it going to be distinguished from the Pro Staff? I mean, those have been Red and Black already, a little gray wouldn't seem to make much of a difference. Any chance they'll come out with a new design for the pain as well? That would be awesome.
 
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