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DavidBart
Rookie
Thanks!! The foam is removable? Do you just cut the sides and split it open similarly to a Head pallet?
H22 fan
Semi-Pro
The foam is molded, you need to break it and afterwards either you install Head pallets or you need special service to mold new grip.
H22 fan
Semi-Pro
It a Blade pro stock, not a H22.Hi guys, how to tell what this glossy blade 98 18x20 is supposed to be?
max_67
New User
Oh, well... don't know much about non-retail Blade, I got a couple of these from a pro and trying to understand what they really are.
Thanks for the information, and sorry for posting in the wrong discussion.
DavidBart
Rookie
Thanks for info H22 fan. While interesting it won't help me find/buy one to match mine. I attached a few photos for reference.
My favorite is the Burn CV - Graphite with orange sides.. This is my only H22 with Head pallets. Interestingly there is also a channel on the handle on one side. I guess for adding weight, not sure.
Curious if your 2 Burns CV (not reverse) are both same layup and have head pallets? My Reverse CV is stiff and highest swing weight off them all stock.
I guess I could just keep buying and selling till I find a match to my Graphite Burn. I hoping for 2 identical ones.
I could live with the Burn 100 Black orange pattern, but I had my customizer match it two time, but it never swung right. He said all specs match all specs but twist weight. And doesn't have capability to measure RA. Although he did add lead it 2 very different ways. Both times it swung pretty differently as well.
Is it possible to mach all #s and still have a different swinging racquet? I had matched them best I could, just off of how they felt and weighed. So my guy just added/removed a little weight from the 100 Burn to have numbers match. Perhaps removing all under/over grips and perhaps string would yeild a more accurate result?
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H22 fan
Semi-Pro
If it has pallets, might be, that previous owner removed the molded grip and installed them. All my H22’s were bought new and all have foam molded handle. Now my favorite ones are the Reverse Burn ones, they are the lightest with nice low flex. The lightest and most flex ones were in Blade pj v5, 285 grams unstrung, but sold them as the paint was not that durable, but did not matter for the buyer, he liked the feel.Thanks for info H22 fan. While interesting it won't help me find/buy one to match mine. I attached a few photos for reference.
My favorite is the Burn CV - Graphite with orange sides.. This is my only H22 with Head pallets. Interestingly there is also a channel on the handle on one side. I guess for adding weight, not sure.
Curious if your 2 Burns CV (not reverse) are both same layup and have head pallets? My Reverse CV is stiff and highest swing weight off them all stock.
I guess I could just keep buying and selling till I find a match to my Graphite Burn. I hoping for 2 identical ones.
I could live with the Burn 100 Black orange pattern, but I had my customizer match it two time, but it never swung right. He said all specs match all specs but twist weight. And doesn't have capability to measure RA. Although he did add lead it 2 very different ways. Both times it swung pretty differently as well.
Is it possible to mach all #s and still have a different swinging racquet? I had matched them best I could, just off of how they felt and weighed. So my guy just added/removed a little weight from the 100 Burn to have numbers match. Perhaps removing all under/over grips and perhaps string would yeild a more accurate result?
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Ofcourse is possible to have different swinging racket as the layup is different, lead density is different from graphite and cannot compensate.
To match two frames you need to remove grip/overgrip, strings to get best results. I had problems with leather grips, all had different weights, some were softer and felt that frames swang different. I had to buy like 10 pcs and choose the closest ones and only then I could not feel any difference between frames.
DavidBart
Rookie
You're right about previous owner removing grip cause in my photo the hairpin handle is chipped near buttcap. Possibly during clumsy removal.
I just asked my guy to remove as much as we can. Hope not to remove molded handle, and get as close in the numbers, but step by step.
BTW I didn't mean graphite as material but the CV burn's color .
But to clarify... you're suggesting that even though specs match, because of the layup material used e.g. graphite vs other, the frame will swing-feel differently? (Of course not talking about feel on impact) My thought was different layup= different weight distribution. My guy also said specs match = should swing exactly same. It's in my head cause of feel on impact.
Also, guess was the molded handle is 10g heavier than a pallet. Hence the channel in my CV burn frame. But just a theory. All my molded frames were 295g bare and then graphite colored CV with palet on was 285.
You're right about paint durability, especially on my 16x19 CV Blade. I dropped it gently, from knee high on 1st day and it chipped. I'm super careful now, but I thought it was pro stock's nature because they're not meant for more than a season or two. I have an H19 16x19 that I put lead on and on removal some paint peeled.
Hey H22 fan, curious to hear how did you come to this definitive conclusion based on the picture? Missing W sign on the grommet or something regarding the handle? The authenticity question around H22’s seems to remain an everlasting theme over the years…cheers
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
The Blade Pro from the Online Pro Labs Wilson site IS an H22. That has been established... it's just a different layup to some of the softer (58RA) Pro Stock H22s.
So, the question is whether you like the Pro Labs layup/stiffness or a softer Pro Stock H22? Also, is the Pro Stock H22 worth twice the price? Then, do you pick the 16x19 or the 18x20 Blade Pro/H22 Pro Stock?
The answers are all individual.
mattimag
Rookie
Established?
I thought it was confirmed Blade pro were using the same mold of the H22 but they were indeed different rackets. I remember seeing a pic where someone showed the difference also in the spacing of the grommets
Anyway.. is it possible that there are H22 (Pro stock/Pro room rackets) with Blade pro paintjob or not?
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
Yes... it's possible.
H22 is the shape of the racquet, the beam design and the thickness (as an example, the H22/ Blade Pro is a 98 head size that is a bit more rounded than the regular Blade 98, it is more box beam/square beam shape all-around/throughout rather than the regular Blade 98 - which has a box beam in the throat and a D-Beam in the head, and is a 22mm beam thickness instead of the regular Blade 98's 21mm). How flexible, where it flexes, and such is the layup (which can change and still remain an H22 as the beam profile/design and thickness are the same). Then the string pattern and spacing are things that can be changed for the Pros... but that doesn't take away from whether the racquet is an H22 or an H19, or an H25.
Therefore, the Pro Stock H22 is the same beam shape, design, and the same beam thickness as the Blade Pro. That is what makes it an H22, but their flex profiles and RA's might be different (because the Pro had specific requirements), and the drill pattern may be tighter or more open within the 16x19 or 18x20 string pattern umbrella (but that is at the request of the particular Pro). Pro Stock H22 racquets have more scope for "personalisation" to the requirements of the Pro, but they will still have the same beam shape and thickness (as mentioned above) as the Blade Pro.
The retail Blade Pro that is offered on the Wilson Pro Labs Online website, is just an H22 which has had a pre-determined RA and flex profile that will not be changeable... and is offered in a pre-determined string pattern and spacing (that can not be changed), and has had it's weight and balance roughly set (within a manufacturing margin of +7g/-7g). If you like it great, and if you don't... you don't use this racquet. The Pros get more choice (several options for RA, several options for flex profile, several choices for string density within a string pattern category such as 16x19 or 18x20, and they can demand what weight and balance they prefer) within each category (H22, H19, H25 etc), that's all.
That is my understanding. Hopefully, that is helpful.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Yeah I think that is correct. H22 is a mold, and the Blade Pro is a version of that mold. You could get an H22 with a different drill pattern or layup if you wanted. I believe Wilson went with a common one that they believed would work for most players. At the end of the day, a Pure drive Roddick is still a Pure drive, it is just weighted differently, and the Blade Pro is still an H22, it is just set up in one configuration, and you can't call Wilson and ask for a wider 16x19 or stiffer layup..etc.
Happy to be joining the H22 club, I have a 16x19 incoming, it is 344g and 5 pts HL, 58RA. I'll play it at the stock spec's for awhile and see how I like it but I anticipate trying to get it more head light as that is my usual preference. Hopefully I have the option to lose some grams with a string change, it currently has Luxilon BBO in full bed which I have my fingers crossed in the thick gauge and less stretch ends up being heavy for a string bed. Losing some grams in the string bed and adding an overgrip to the wilson leather is hopefully enough to get it comfortably headlight or I'll add tungsten putty to the handle if possible or lose the leather and add more weight to the very bottom of the handle as the last option.
If anyone has suggestions on strings that are lighter and have good spin I'd love to know.
If anyone has suggestions on strings that are lighter and have good spin I'd love to know.
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For anyone interested the 16x19 Blade Pro bumper guard definitely doesn't fit the H22 16x19 as the H22 is longer. I managed to stretch the Blade pro Bumper guard to near the same length using my hands no heat but it still needs a larger gap of around 2.5mm between grommet 8 and 9 and also 19 and 20. Heating and stretching doesn't get the job done on this particular area so I might make some surgical cuts under the bumper in this gap to stretch it out more, but I'll hold off on this until it's time to change strings, so I can test the fit. Of course cutting the guard is possible but it looks messy.
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
Another reason to just focus on the Blade Pro.
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
You mean 344g, not 244g, right?
I love the 1.25 Big Spin/ 1.23 Tour Hex hybrid in my BP v8 16x19 myself, soft/mushy, controlled and although low powered in itself, it inspires confindence to swing fast( hence I hit powerfully with it)
Hi, I got almost the same problem , is there any way I can ask you something directly? WhatsApp???
Paulo Braz
Semi-Pro
Alguém sabe onde posso comprar H22 fora de site de leilão ou prostock tennis.com ?
H22 fan
Semi-Pro
Stringforum, plenty of them in new Blade pj
Paulo Braz
Semi-Pro
How can you access the site? I try to access the same and the error. Which browser do you use?
Paulo Braz
Semi-Pro
Does anyone have contact with h22 sellers in the United States?
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
So H22 is different than Blade Pro v8?
H22 fan
Semi-Pro
Same mold different layups. Uncoustomized they come as light as 285 till 305 grams.
H22 fan
Semi-Pro
Ask the sellers on Stringforum
Prestigiouscontrol
Rookie
Strung up a H22 18x20 in Blade Pro v8 PJ with Wilson Gut 17/ T1 Ghostwire 17 @ 56/54 lbs.
338 SW, 330g, 4 pt HL/33cm, 62 RA.
Only modification I've done is a Kimony leather replacement grip and 2 overgrips.
First impressions: Very easy to flatten out shots, tons of pop setting you up for 1-2 punches or that 3rd ball winner.
I'm right at home with 98 sq inches and the control is there--DTL on both wings.
Volleys esp. with this string set-up really allows you to punch through the ball while retaining wonderful feel.
Once you get under the ball, you can generate a good amount of topspin; however, I think the balance being more head heavy than my usual specs is affecting my timing--this will get better as I dial it in, probably not the racquet but just acclimation period.
338 SW, 330g, 4 pt HL/33cm, 62 RA.
Only modification I've done is a Kimony leather replacement grip and 2 overgrips.
First impressions: Very easy to flatten out shots, tons of pop setting you up for 1-2 punches or that 3rd ball winner.
I'm right at home with 98 sq inches and the control is there--DTL on both wings.
Volleys esp. with this string set-up really allows you to punch through the ball while retaining wonderful feel.
Once you get under the ball, you can generate a good amount of topspin; however, I think the balance being more head heavy than my usual specs is affecting my timing--this will get better as I dial it in, probably not the racquet but just acclimation period.
Okinawa Puroresu
Rookie
I’ve really enjoyed mine and had it matched to my Auxetic Prestige Pro in weight and balance, but I have a feeling the swingweight isn’t matched, with the H22 feeling heavier. Either way, with the thicker beam it packs quite a punch, way more than the racquets I normally prefer, while still being plush and controlled. It is quite the stick and one I may consider switching to.
Prestigiouscontrol
Rookie
I have now replaced the grip with Oehms leather with 4g tungsten added above the buttcap for approx 32.4cm or 6 pt HL.
As long as I can handle the SW, this is one of my favorite sticks for base line no doubt.
This has easily more control, more pop, and stability than my Speed Pro 2022s even beefed up at 330 - 335 SW.
Only thing that I am really having to consciously pay attention to is better foot work and timing in generating top spin with the H22.
It can kick hard but you gotta work (more) for it than tweeners obviously
As long as I can handle the SW, this is one of my favorite sticks for base line no doubt.
This has easily more control, more pop, and stability than my Speed Pro 2022s even beefed up at 330 - 335 SW.
Only thing that I am really having to consciously pay attention to is better foot work and timing in generating top spin with the H22.
It can kick hard but you gotta work (more) for it than tweeners obviously
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gavan55
Rookie
hi all, I made a few cuts to a new Blade Pro bumper / grommet set and installed on my H22 Burn. Until I find an original H22 set, I guess this will do. Not pretty but works I guess. Had to cut the bumper guard in 4 pieces and grommets required cuts near the bottom. My mate strung it in a way so that the flaps where the cuts were made don't stick up
Prestigiouscontrol
Rookie
Well done, I think you would have to be holding it to really notice--clean job.
Played a 4.5 with the H22 for 2 hours+ with little break to see if I can handle the heft
Ground strokes no issues; however, serve I will have to really dial in my leg drive and hip rotation to take full advantage of the 340 SW.
This racquet shoots rockets when you split step and load up...the topspin was unexpected out of this 18x20.
Prestigiouscontrol
Rookie
Anyone got a source for grommets 
mattimag
Rookie
they were available on Wilson site a few days ago. are they not available anymore?
Which site? The Pro Lab?
Nadal15thslam
Hall of Fame
Can someone tell me if this is the H22 and how much should I pay for a used H22? Thanks in advance.https://www.olx.ro/d/oferta/wilson-blade-315-gr-pro-stock-IDhrZSf.html
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Bartobolas
New User
Nice burn!! My fave H22 by far but it's got to do with the layup in mine. It feels like it flexes like a PT57 (from what I've read. Never played a PT)
FrankyRelax
Professional
Interestingly, i am entertaining a switch to thr speed pros 2022 for this reason. If my movement is on and I'm seeing the ball well, the H22 has me playing amazing tennis. If I'm off though....
I hear that the Speed Pros offer a pro stock like feel with a bit more forgiveness.
Not sure, only have Pro Lab and H22 frames.should be able to look up the specs on the standard Blade. There can be such a variation in specs from the factory that frames have to be measured individually.
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Sorry I forgot about this thread, yes private message me.
In the end I was able to fit a 16x19 Blade Pro bumper guard directly onto my H22 16x19 without cutting it, I did cut a small section out of the centre channel only (not the outer bumper, between one section of grommets where the biggest stretch is needed but the whole outer bumper is intact. I'll post photos once I get it restrung.
The H22 is my favourite Racket still, it has enough of the great feel of my old classic's but modern features that make it a bit more user friendly than my smaller head sticks. The biggest surprise I had with this racket was the wide range of usable configurations when I messed around with adding weight. No matter what I did it felt great with everything, where my other rackets had a smaller sweet spot, like they felt unbalanced and weird if I went to far in either direction. I guess whatever the ex pro did to it, the result was a great baseline spec for my game.
That’s strange. It’s possible drill patterns slightly differ in some H22s. I have replaced all 4 of my 18x20 H22 head guards/grommets with the Wilson prolabs grommet set no problem. Perfect fit.
Good to know the Prolabs fit on the H22 18x20, I don't think the Prolabs bumpers fit on any of the H22 16x19's, as shown by gavan55's post above.
You can see the small cut I made on the inside channel to help stretch the biggest gap difference.
kaleidoskope
Professional
Hi there!
Are these H22s?
Are these H22s?
- This one
- Or this one
