H22 fan
Semi-Pro
Looks like Blade Pro’s.
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Bartobolas
New User
Most likely not. H22 would be painted like a Blade or some other Wilson frame. These are retail Blade Pros
mattimag
Rookie
There are real H22 rackets with Blade Pro paintjob. I can guarantee this for sure
yourtennisfit
Professional
Yes - this is not true. Only way to know for sure would be the RA measured
Bartobolas
New User
Hey, I have several H22s. All different layups unfortunately.
The one that's been my favorite seems to have a problem with it. Like maybe a crack or something else I'm not privy to.
It's in the Burn cosmetic, graphite with orange sides. It feels very soft. Like it flexes in the throat. It's less powerful than the others but it's amazing on volleys and slices, like it wraps around the ball.
What's unique about it, is that this is the only frame that has head pallets not a molded handle. I think @H22 fan mentioned you can remove the molded handle, but not sure that this was done here. Maybe. But I can say there is a channel on one side of the hairpin handle, that I haven't seen on any other racquet. I actually used it to add some weight.
I have a sensitive elbow, and this frame really aggravates it yet it feels "flexible". I've used it with with the softest strings Gut mains x Cream, and that doesn't solve it completely. Where I can use my other H22 with a reasonably soft poly and it feels much better. Nothing seems to be wrong with it in terms of vibrations etc. so not sure what gives. My 3rd H22 is just stiff, and the 4th is a 16x19 which I don't use.
The one that's been my favorite seems to have a problem with it. Like maybe a crack or something else I'm not privy to.
It's in the Burn cosmetic, graphite with orange sides. It feels very soft. Like it flexes in the throat. It's less powerful than the others but it's amazing on volleys and slices, like it wraps around the ball.
What's unique about it, is that this is the only frame that has head pallets not a molded handle. I think @H22 fan mentioned you can remove the molded handle, but not sure that this was done here. Maybe. But I can say there is a channel on one side of the hairpin handle, that I haven't seen on any other racquet. I actually used it to add some weight.
I have a sensitive elbow, and this frame really aggravates it yet it feels "flexible". I've used it with with the softest strings Gut mains x Cream, and that doesn't solve it completely. Where I can use my other H22 with a reasonably soft poly and it feels much better. Nothing seems to be wrong with it in terms of vibrations etc. so not sure what gives. My 3rd H22 is just stiff, and the 4th is a 16x19 which I don't use.
Bartobolas
New User
I'm no prostock expert, but @H22 fan seems to agree as well, and he's probably the dr325i of this thread.
You mean to measure that the RA is NOT what it's supposed to be on a Blade Pro? Why would they paint real H22s in Blade Pro cosmetic. No players endorse it.
Thiago Wild use H22 in PJ Blade Pro. I'm Brazilian and I know a guy who has a pair of rackets that used to be his.
kaleidoskope
Professional
Man... Don't know what to do, then 
I'm in Brasília, Brazil, no access to a RA measuring tool or machine, so...
I'm in Brasília, Brazil, no access to a RA measuring tool or machine, so...
This OLX link is well described in the advertisement that it is a Blade Pro. I can't tell you about the other links. I own an H22 in the PJ Blade V8 and an H19 in the PJ Ultra Tour V2, they are significantly different frames from Wilson's pro labs line.Man... Don't know what to do, then
I'm in Brasília, Brazil, no access to a RA measuring tool or machine, so...
kaleidoskope
Professional
The OLX link says those frames weighs 305 grams, so I'm guessing they aren't H22, from what I gathered here. Anyway, I just noticed that these are 16x19 and I'm looking for 18x20 H22's...
So at this point I'd just like to be (a bit?) sure that this one is a genuine H22:
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I have 16x19 PT57A with 59RA flex and a 16x19 H22 with 58RA flex, and the PT57A feels a lot more flexible all over, the H22 is soft but firm in comparison, I love the PT57A for volleys and drop shots and touch shots but prefer the H22 for everything else and like it more overall, more forgiving, more powerful as well.
The PT57A reminded me more of a Dunlop Max 200G, or my Dad's Head XRC I used to play with as a kid, sort of a continuation of the wood racket feel but the PT57A is a modern more powerful version of those sticks of course. The H22 reminded me more of a softer Pro Staff 6.0 or a Fisher Vacuum Pro, firm but comfortable and less flex feel which I personally like more on my flat serve or groundies.
yourtennisfit
Professional
So, the H22 comes in different layups and different RAs (58,60,62) and the Blade Pro should have an unstrung RA of 64ish
But since the mold is the same, you only will know if Wilson tells you, you measure RA or look onto the hairpin code
In terms of "why would they paint it Blade Pro" - the only difference between BP and Blade98 paintjob is that is is glossy and say "Pro" where it would usually say v7, v8 etc
No TV customer would ever notice the difference, so it doesn't actually matter what you paint on it. All you want is, that the TV viewer thinks it is a blade - they gloss out most pro player frames, so there you go
Bartobolas
New User
Yeah, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a 64 H22 also.
That was my thought too on the detail of the difference of just a "Pro" imprint and if it's H22 it'd be glossy anyway. So @kaleidoskope would have a real hard time telling what's what.
I'm sure a real expert could tell. I don't believe the paint is as durable on Prostocks. I chipped my (only brand new H22 I bought) on the first day. And my H19 paint came off after I applied some lead tape and removed it later.
I trust the Brazilian guys though that they know H22s come in Blade Pro paint.
Lastly, I hear the grommets don't fit properly from H22 to Blade Pro, so one way would be to order Pro grommets and see if they fit right in without cutting or customization. It's talked about in this thread, and I've heard it somewhere else also.
Bartobolas
New User
Has anyone tried the 18x19 Blade ProStock? I'm not sure if there is only one. Korda's frame - K-blade version. I know it's not an H22 but it's the closest thing to my perfect frame - a soft H22 in an 18x19 which was never made. I can get my hands a blade but the guy doesn't have a RA machine so I'd be taking a gamble. Own too many frames as is.
Also, wondering if anyone's tried to string an 18x20 H22 without the top cross string. The top string sits rather high so it would be getting close to 18x19. I don't string my own frames, so I'd just have to pay to test it.
I tried stringing my Speed Pro 22 without the bottom cross, but that didn't seem to make a difference and Speed 18x20 strings are spaced further from frame so it left a big gap.
Some people say that 18x19 is pointless cause it's basically an 18x20, but I don't agree. I love the Percept 100D and my current frame is Angell React MPP 99 18x19. You get a bit more lift on ball, but without it being a 16x19.
Also, wondering if anyone's tried to string an 18x20 H22 without the top cross string. The top string sits rather high so it would be getting close to 18x19. I don't string my own frames, so I'd just have to pay to test it.
I tried stringing my Speed Pro 22 without the bottom cross, but that didn't seem to make a difference and Speed 18x20 strings are spaced further from frame so it left a big gap.
Some people say that 18x19 is pointless cause it's basically an 18x20, but I don't agree. I love the Percept 100D and my current frame is Angell React MPP 99 18x19. You get a bit more lift on ball, but without it being a 16x19.
Blade Pro V7 and V8 grommets fit perfectly on my H22 18x20 (PJ Blade V8).
Yes, I have one and it’s an amazing racquet. IMO it’s the perfect string pattern that blends the best qualities from the 16x19 and 18x20. My only issue with it is the one I have is at the top end of what I’m comfortable playing with in terms of SW. That’s why I got excited when I started hearing rumors of an 18x19 retail launch with the v9’s and a target SW around 320. However, I’ve still not seen anything confirmed as to if that’s going to happen.
jburton
Rookie
Think H22s do go up to 64/65 in stiffness which is the same as the Blade pro. Also Khachanov did have some rackets with “blade pro” written on the side when he switched back from testing the blade 98 18x20 in 2021. Also the newer H22s have longer grommet channel endings than the blade pros. I believe the blade pros have the same or similar grommet channel endings to earlier H22s in the nblade - blx blade paintjobs
I think PST (the place where a lot of ProStocks are purchasable) have mentioned that there are now starting to be H22s with Blade Pro paintjobs rather than Blade.
yourtennisfit
Professional
I still don't understand why that is a different "paintjob"
? It literally is just another word on the frame PROIt looks like any other Blade paintjob - nobody will care if it says 98 or Pro
exactly but basically Wilson have made a change seemingly where H22s are being labeled as Blade Pros and not regular Blades as they used to beI still don't understand why that is a different "paintjob"
It looks like any other Blade paintjob - nobody will care if it says 98 or Pro
Bartobolas
New User
Do you know the stiffness of it? Does it happen to be the one in the V8 paint? That's the version I can get my hands on.
Sorry, I’m not sure what the stiffness is. Yes, it is the v8 pj.
Richard Pioline
Hall of Fame
OK, I am now a member as well. What a sweet racquet. Got one super cheap in the old Burn PJ, which I think is super ugly. But the racquet, man, oh man. One of the best HEAD frames I‘ve ever hit.
It's a really fantastic frame, how are your specs?
ekucheraw
Rookie
Jumped on the bandwagon a few months ago as well, grabbed a Burn V2 painted 18x20 which honestly is one of my favorite cosmetics. Magical racquet, maneuverable and light without losing stability which is a big deal for me. played some really fun matches with it so far and will probably start customizing and tweaking shortly!
Richard Pioline
Hall of Fame
Also have the Burn v2 PJ, but I actually think it is super ugly. Haha.
Don't know exact specs, but it feels so good to swing. Would say about 333sw, and 338g static including everything.
But I am getting another one in the V7 PJ. Plus a Blade Pro 18x20 in the new V9 PJ. Will have time to directly compare these.
What is the general consensus on these two, meaning BP18 v H22 18?
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yourtennisfit
Professional
That is super hard to say, as the H22 comes in much more varied form regarding stiffness, balance etc
But for the average local player, those aren't too far off. H22 usually should be more flexy, the balance and weight will greatly vary, depending on which player used to play with it or these were made for.
The string pattern mostly should be identical, when you have both in 18x20, although I am sure they would tweak that for higher ranked pros
So bottomline: You cannot really say much about THE H22, because every racket is different. But H22 should be more flexy and controlled, while BP should be a bit more hefty and powerful. This makes sense, when you think about rolling out a racket to the general population. But it greatly depends on the specific specs you receive
konstantinos kalfountzos
Hall of Fame
If anyone from Europe has spare grommets for H22 18x20 pm me. A friend's friend wants some.
konstantinos kalfountzos
Hall of Fame
monteswalls
New User
Hi guys!
I´ve just purchased these two beauties.
What do you think? After a quick research my conclusion is that they are Blade Prostock (D Beam, K-Blade frame), not H22
L3 16x19 and you can see the weight strung and without any grip on it
Glossy paint and "Wilson" on the edge of the bumper
I´ve just purchased these two beauties.
What do you think? After a quick research my conclusion is that they are Blade Prostock (D Beam, K-Blade frame), not H22
L3 16x19 and you can see the weight strung and without any grip on it
Glossy paint and "Wilson" on the edge of the bumper
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Deleted member 775108
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My Dream Purchase H22 : Wilson Pro Stock H22 Blade V8 paintjob L3 grip - I strung with Tour Bite 18 x Cyberflash 17L @ 45/43. Very usable 329SW (before lead) strung version too so was super excited. Currently set at 337.5g / 7HL / 332 SW with a little more than 1g of lead at 12 and a grip sleeve cut down to 1 hand backhand size under the replacement grip.
Such an amazing racket - now Im thinking a little too amazing for me and might move on from it
Such an amazing racket - now Im thinking a little too amazing for me and might move on from it
Prestigiouscontrol
Rookie
Great spec and one of my favorite current PJsMy Dream Purchase H22 : Wilson Pro Stock H22 Blade V8 paintjob L3 grip - I strung with Tour Bite 18 x Cyberflash 17L @ 45/43. Very usable 329SW (before lead) strung version too so was super excited. Currently set at 337.5g / 7HL / 332 SW with a little more than 1g of lead at 12 and a grip sleeve cut down to 1 hand backhand size under the replacement grip.
Such an amazing racket - now Im thinking a little too amazing for me and might move on from it
Prestigiouscontrol
Rookie
Double post but I got very lucky and managed to get my hands on 16x19s in my exact spec as my 18x20s.
I did a quick 1 hr ball machine session and switched to the 16x19 after I warmed.
Wow...the spin potential and ease of power is even more prevalent on this layup and combination.
Works really, really well with Lynx Tour @ 54/52 for me.
Easy adaptation from H22 18x20 as well...I was barely had to make any adjustments in 10 minutes--let's see if I make the switch post honeymoon period.
I did a quick 1 hr ball machine session and switched to the 16x19 after I warmed.
Wow...the spin potential and ease of power is even more prevalent on this layup and combination.
Works really, really well with Lynx Tour @ 54/52 for me.
Easy adaptation from H22 18x20 as well...I was barely had to make any adjustments in 10 minutes--let's see if I make the switch post honeymoon period.
I’ve been improving technically for the last few years, keep testing all sorts of frames and I’m always coming back to the 16x19.
My frame is very powerful and extremely spin friendly. My game went from flatter style to more topspin north/south style. I believe an ATP technique forehand and ideally a spinny backhand are important to bring the most out of this frame. The frame is a howitzer and spin is the control factor.
Took me a long time to learn how to hit like this and as I got better at it, the better the h22 16x19 performed.
Mine are flexy, low 60, Mahut personals matched set. The interesting thing about this frame is the amount of touch it has especially given its power. Great pocketing and dwell in a poly full bed. Nice on the arm as well.
My frame is very powerful and extremely spin friendly. My game went from flatter style to more topspin north/south style. I believe an ATP technique forehand and ideally a spinny backhand are important to bring the most out of this frame. The frame is a howitzer and spin is the control factor.
Took me a long time to learn how to hit like this and as I got better at it, the better the h22 16x19 performed.
Mine are flexy, low 60, Mahut personals matched set. The interesting thing about this frame is the amount of touch it has especially given its power. Great pocketing and dwell in a poly full bed. Nice on the arm as well.
Nadal15thslam
Hall of Fame
I need some help from you guys, is this a H22 or a retail blade? I still don't know how to differentiate them. I'm asking because of the lead, the leather grip and the Us Open sticker.
Nadal15thslam
Hall of Fame
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Nadal15thslam
Hall of Fame
I can get this for 30 euros, it will be a big deal if it's a h22. Even for a retail blade the price is decent.
Agreed. It looks like h22 but not, this is still a bargain. You shouldn't miss it
yourtennisfit
Professional
Is there any other angle of a foto?
Judging by the head and leather grip, I would say it most probably is the BLX Blade Tour , 93 sq inch version
https://www.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/racquet_reviews/WBLXBTreview.html
Nadal15thslam
Hall of Fame
I've ordered it. Even if it's retail it's still a good price.
Nadal15thslam
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You can click on it and there are a lot more photos
yourtennisfit
Professional
Nadal15thslam
Hall of Fame
Judging by the tons of lead it has maybe the handle is filled with silicone, it would be so head heavy if it isn't.Yeah it says 98, quite strange - maybe you struck a H22 here
This is H22, the beam remains box shaped as it moves up from the throat. Blade frame transitions to round D-shaped beam at the intersection of the lower hoop.
Compare to Blade frame. You can even see the "B" and "L" in the white BLADE 98 text on the left side of the hoop are flat on yours, and rounded over on the Blade frame. H22 also has noticeably thicker beam in the left/right direction, just looks chunkier than the Blade. Great find even if it's a little scraped up.
Nadal15thslam
Hall of Fame
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