Discussion in 'Racquets' started by drakulie, Oct 16, 2012.
He does get a bit annoying at times...
That's nice....but Fed does not play with a frame with only 15 crosses, that is the point.
I have hit with both and found a little less power in the Steam 99s, and far far more control. Serves were much heavier with the Steam as well. Both frames were strung the same for me as they came from the same shop, and after an hour with the juice I struggled to keep it in the court, so I swapped to the 96 Juice in hopes of less power, which certainly was the case.
I"m sorry, Draks, but here you're jumping the gun and coming to conclusions.
Say your wife is correct, you hit harder..more spin, same pace.
But that is ONE person talking, a tiny sampling of something you will soon find out doesn't matter at all, except for player's who can't handle men's pace....and doesn't hit men's pace.
She might be a former Div1 woman's player, I give you that, but she is NOT hitting like a strong 5.0 MAN, which is the division close to your level.
Once you start to run, once you face a real strong incoming ball, once you hit with someone who can run down your shots, you will find a slight gain in spin is NOT anything big, and you'll soon find it's bad points....control, YOUR biggest serves, something.
Don't act like the 14 year old your mentality is at right now over this Wilson thing. Unless you're paid by them, which you sound like you are.
An epic G.O.A.T battle has begun...
This racquet is a total TT GOAT thread for multiple reasons :
A detailed Drak review
The wilson promo described by different posters who experienced it all over the country.
A moment of Suresh
Exciting racquet tech that gets everyone rabidly curious
JackB1 switches sticks
Naysayers and doubters step in
UK guys find each other online and make friends while feverishly tracking down a demo
RossK claws his eyes out in a raw 'holic lust.
Green posters from both sides of the pulpit rise to the occasion with pros and cons
Full poly at over 55#s of tension is totaly accepted as ok
LeeD leaves the technqiue forum and steps in to question and antagonize
Honestly, this thread should be stickied as a HOF thread and made required reading for anyone new to the Racquet forums.
Drak is an excellent poster who makes helpful and well informed posts. He sometimes loses his temper but he really knows his stuff. He has hit with the racket; Lee hasn't. Drak has hit with his wife; Lee hasn't (although there are a few vids floating around that prove drak's wife is really good and would probably lay a beatdown on Lee in a match). So, Lee, if you have your doubts you can be skeptical, but frankly you don't know what you're talking about. Some of your posts are good, but many are needlessly argumentative. When you personally hit with the steam, then by all means give us your feedback.
Different points of view.
Draks is hyping this racket.
I've seen hype in more sports than most of you have ever tried, working in sports stores for 30 odd years, skiing, biking, tennis, snowboarding, windsurfing, surfing, motorcycles, kiteboarding.
I"m also 63, and a pessimist at heart. The glass is half empty.
I don't promote anything, especially stuff that is BRAND NEW, but really a second reincarnation of something tried in the past. That goes for every single innovation in the sports I've mentioned, and I can give examples if you care.
How to promote your new product? You find an enthusiastic high profile person to try your stuff for free! It's done in every sport. You DON'T look for a pessimist or old timer (old timer in mental thinking, not in years) for your spokesperson. Said enthusiastic person spreads the word, it catches with a certain element of the sport (notice some hard hitters don't embrace this racket), and the element snowballs until it's HYPE, lots of players buy it, use it, LOVE IT for a few years, then DISCARD the idea as something NEW comes into the scene.
But remember this, most important. The old concepts that were supplanted by this NEW IDEA ...... they were the new ideas 5 years ago!
Think about this.
It's hemlines again. Shorter, longer, shorter, longer.:shock::shock::shock:
I'm just saying, if you choose to embrace this new concept, go for it, I hope your game improves and you LOVE the new racket.
BUT, I'd wait a year, just like you would wait a year, when a new concept car comes out.
..and the sayings go...
For every positive, there is a negative..
You don't gain something without losing something...
Ying and yang.
Something gotten for free is not free in the long run....
well, not always...
the new cars are alot faster, get better gas mileage, handle better, and have alot more features than the ones from the 60's and 70's. so where's the negative?
LeeD admits that he's just a cranky old fart! :lol:
So how does the Drak conspiracy work? Something like this:
Wilson rep: Promote my stick on TTW and I'll give you x percent of all profits?
Drak: Cool, I'll try and be subtle so LeeD does not catch on.
I get a new "green" user hyping something and being suspicious but when people get to our posts counts, c'mon man.
So Mikeler, you're saying you are being paid by Wilson too? Dang... how do I get on that train with only a handful of posts??
I'm only being paid by the top 10 string companies on my Mikeler's Multis list thread.
the conspiracy idea does seem rather farfetched.
how exactly does the Wilson rep track what sales are attributed to Drak's review vs the other ones such as TW's own Andy Gerst.
or are these guys now sponsored by Wilson and have an equipment endorsement contract ala Fed?
Totally! I'm still following this thread, even though I honestly think that a 18x20 frame is the best option for getting pushing heavy top-spin, provided that you have the power, and a western forehand grip.
Really low, dude...
You should have mentioned head sizes - that is even more of the point.
But my point was that these days pros are stringing low compared to club players. Used to be the other way around.
Isn't it yin, not ying?
If she cannot give correct feedback after 2 hours of play because she is not a strong 5.0 man, how can you say anything about the impact of the added spin, being a 4.0 man who hasn't hit with the racket for 1 second, or played against anyone who was using the racket?
And how are you so confident that she is not hitting like a 5.0 man or better? Seems like you are taking potshots at somebody's wife for no valid reason.
LeeD IS a cranky old dude. And jaded from years of listening to the marketeers, who are wrong at least 80% of the time.
LeeD is also unread, so yes, yin...
Wilson rep doesn't bother to keep track of who sells what. Why? Don't you know marketing and salesmanship? You throw out a net, the net catches what it does, and you reap those benefits. A net doesn't delineate what part does the catching. Like a spider's web, you weave it, it reaps whatever it reaps, but if you don't, you go hungry.
Cars. Modern cars cost more, cost more money and resources to make, people make less money making them (the workers, not the queenbees), make you poorer and make the executives richer.
My lunch milk just squirted out my nose...... and the last time I had lunch milk was 20 years ago!
I'm saying a female hitting against a male, and ONE example total, does NOT a study make.
Against a ball machine, some racket perform really great, but against another player, maybe the results are different.
Doubt a 5.5 female can really hit with a 5.0 male, but can be more consistent with better placement.. Powerwise, edge goes to the male. Argue that one.
There is indeed one problem with modern cars. It is the excessive use of the battery for all the smart electronics, even when the car is not running. I don't drive much to recharge it fully, and have had to change my battery several times. There are complaints from people with high-end cars who go on a vacation for a month and arrive to a dead battery.
That is why I am thinking of getting an electric car with an added gas engine for safety. I assume that charging the battery for driving will automatically take care of the electronics drain problem. Is that true? What is a good one to buy?
Well, ZERO examples from you make even less of a study.
Mine is not an attempt at a study.
Mine is an opinion expressed by a jaded old fart who's seen this hype and marketting a few more times than most.
Kindal like what your grandpa says. You know he's a cranky old fart, you know his memory is suspect, yet you KNOW he does have some valid points and also more experience in most subject matters.
Sure, it possible this racket will be great for the player's it was designed for, and also for players who play into it's style. But overall, every few years, every racket company makes some outrageous attempt at swaying the consumers in their favor, and this one is Wilson's attempt right now.
Everyone knows that. So let them decide. There are people who swear by O ports, and there are those who believe they do nothing or actually do something negative. There are those who believe in PWS while others think it is a hollow structure which does nothing.
Thank you for adding another point to my view. O-ports. The rackets were good, played well, but not for the hype.
the Steam room is getting rather heated! :lol:
Is it getting hot in here or is it just LeeD?
Was just reading over this to find info...the debate going on is hilarious. Why fight on a thread, just put it behind you.
Good point as well, i Just wanted to make sure and was commenting that I was happy to see that lower tension was not a problem for the reasons previously mentioned. Happy someone else did it first.
hey, I haven't switched ........................yet
funny post PP
seriously though, I am very impressed with the Steam 99s. It seems like a great fit for my game. Its like a "super tweener". But all gimmicks aside, its a solid racquet with nice feel and power. The swingweight of my demo is spot on perfect. It adds a little more spin to my shots and I think this stick will be even better with my own string choices. An added bonus too for us home stringers...just 15 crosses to worry about
Part of my reasoning of my inane posts is that I had just tried the Steam100, the older model, that was new last year or so, and made some headlines.
It hit good. No biggee. The extra length was noticeable, but no biggee.
the current Steam 100 bears little resemblance to the 99s.
Read post 731 again.
WHO is being antagonistic?
Steam100 is lower 11oz, moderately stiff, slightly head light balance, moderately thin beamed.
99s has fewer mains.
"bears little resemblance" ????
Very true. Only the name remains the same. I've only hit with the 99 so far and it seems to be a much more solid racquet. The added weight was definitely needed. I hope to hit with th 99S this weekend and will put an end to all this hub bub once and for all ;-)
Regardless of what you posted, I assume you have hit with the Steam100so I can safely defer to your knowledge and experience.
If you haven't hit with the Steam100, you are just speculating.
Are you talking to me? If so, then yes, I have hit with the current Steam. Current Steam feels rather light and flimsy with no weight behind the ball compared to the 99. As mentioned, I have not hit wit the 99S but should be able to this weekend and will provide some feedback from both 99 and 99S.
Thank you for your clarification.
I also thought the 100 Steam was lightweight and quick, but dead feeling, strung with 16 gauge nylon at 50 lbs. I normally use the same string. My demo was a 4 3/8, very twisty feeling, but I use 4 5/8 with overgrip, so I need to factor that in.
You also KNOW it may be time to admit Gramps to a good home.
now don't be mean to the elderly. he may be somewhat "odd" but does have valid points about short balls, etc.
no response yet here?
This thread's running out of steam.
The original post, with the Trackman data, and this now added to back up the radar, is what really makes this thread unique -an attempt to quantify racquet performance more objectively than usually happens here on the forum. A subjective note; I know you generally prefer thin-beam racquets that are heavier than this, but I guess the "feel" of this frame is ok for you?
Some top players like Bellucci have begun using the steam pj
Picked up the Steam 105 today. Did not hit with it though.
Why the 105? Too light and powerful. Try the 99s.
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