Discussion in 'Racquets' started by drakulie, Oct 16, 2012.
Drak, thank you for the info. Were you able to hit with the Steam 96?
The 16x15 string pattern was chosen to reduce inter-string friction and allow the mains to stretch, slide and snapback with maximum energy and speed to put more spin on the ball. Strings that don't have slippery, hard surfaces don't do this in more conventional string patterns and probably won't do it in this string pattern either. Syngut quickly notches and "locks" up due to the sawing action of the crosses on the soft-surfaced mains, and that will probably happen in a 16x15 pattern too.
This string pattern was designed for slippery, hard copoly strings, although gut mains/copoly crosses should also work (although the reduced number of cross strings means the stringbed will be less stiff that usual, and a player would probably want to increase the tension of both the gut mains and the copoly crosses with this pattern.)
Sorry but it actually is, in the same league that the PD or Extreme ( no so much but close) Speed mp is clearly underpowered by those standards, so the string or the tension weren't the same at the test if you allow me.
Go compare the pro staff 90 power level to the aero and pure drive on TWU and I'm certain you will be shocked to find out it has more power.
I was only mildly interested in this frame but after this review I am salivating...what is the tension range and string recommendation?
In theory at least, that would depend on your string type and tension. As long as you are hitting with a steep swingpath and/or a closed racquet face the mains will slide tengentially producing spin and a higher launch angle. And because incoming balls almost always have topspin on them (the friction between the ball and the court applies topspin on the bounce, even if the shot was perfectly flat before bouncing), combined with the fact that we rarely hit a ball at the exact top of the bounce, when it's neither rising nor falling, means that the angle between the ball and the strings will always be slightly more acute than perpendicular. Therefore, the main strings are going to slide and snapback to some degree on almost every shot and the launch angle will be somewhat different each time, depending on how far those strings slide.
This would be minimized to some degree with stiffer strings strung at higher tension.
However, the same thing happens with copoly strings or gut/copoly hybrids in conventional string patterns and people seem to be able to adjust for this and flatten out the ball.
But certainly, if the strings did not move at all, if they were locked at the intersections, the launch angle would be much more consistent and independent of the incoming shot parameters and therefore more "predictable" from shot to shot by our brains' targeting computer.
I would think the spin effect frames would be best for heavy spin hitters who play from the baseline with very fast swings, and rather poor for flat hitters and those who come to the net a lot. The shot to shot launch angle variability of slippery strings is magnified on shots where you swing slowly - on volleys and returns - because then the launch angle is more dependent on the incoming shot parameters. On the other hand, Drak reports that the 99s volleyed well, so this string pattern, combined with whatever string and tension Wilson set it up with, might be OK.
Good to see racquet companies finally starting to try out new types of string patterns instead of just developing new garbage to infuse with graphite year after year (intellifibers, nano-whatever, microgel ad infinitum).
No need, I knew it, but that is not the stick we're talking about, so now you've checked the non sense of the data provided, thank you
Drak, how did it perform on slice bh?
i think i heard nadal just switched to wilson
That would mean more business for him, so he will not be concerned
Thanks, man. I imagine this will be a serving monster. I am sure at least one 99S will find its way to my bag despite my lack of fondness for current Wilson racquets and the 71RA -- my Pacific is a super-comfy 58. Second serves ought to be fun with the 99S.
In these tough economic times, Wilson releases a racquet that needs less string to string and less stencil ink to stencil.
Something both sides of the aisle can agree on.
Thank you Wilson.
That's where I cansee people not liking it.
It'll be classified as an "assault racquet" and banned.
Did someone tinkle in your Lucky Charms?
I received an invite today for the Wilson event next Wed at a local country club.
I suspect my spin and pace numbers will be 5000 rpm and 100 mph. I will update later.
If it breaks more often, it will require more string. You also have to analyze the break-even number of hours for the initial racket price purchase to be recovered by savings in strings and stencil (if true).
Getting my stringing clamps on the crosses of my 16x18 seems tough enough, can't imagine how much harder it'll be on such an open(er) pattern.
I am one of 24 VIP guests. Drinks and appetizers to be served.
Long live the 1HBH!!
LOL... on a serious note - doubt strings will last very long.
Gaining one aspect of technique doesn't mean's it's for everyone.
PureDrives serve great. We all need better serves. Few of us use PD's.
Weeds are great for stabbing defense. We all could use a dose of defense. Few of us.....
90 sq inch rackets are accurate and pinpoint, easy to swing, very precise. Few of us.....
Soft rackets are great for our bodies, allowing us to swing hard and not injure ourselves, giving us CONFIDENCE, a huge factor in tennis. A few of us use soft rackets, a few use stiff rackets.
I see that none of you were impressed with my VIP invitation. That is OK. I will just keep my sorrow to myself and go my own way. Have a good day.
Its just Guru-envy, which is no relation to the Freudian version.
You live long enough, you learn not to be impressed, BAH HUMBUG!
Well, I'm a dude that digs chicks, but if you still need a date, I can clear my calendar and shave my legs
But I warn you, this could get ugly fast.
The tool you cited clearly shows the MP 315 is more poweful than the Aero Pro Drive.
They have some hightech sensors all around the court (think of hawkeye) that tracks the ball.
yes, but not long enough to give an honest assesment. One thing I will note, is I liked it enough to give it another look when it is released.
Once again, lots of spin/bite. However, that said, you really need to get dialed in because the shots do in this case tend to sail if it gets away from you. You need to make sure you really swing thru the slice, and not just downwards.
By the way, if any of you are able to playtest it at the SET, please provide your feedback. Would love to see your results and read your thoughts into the racquet.
This is remarkably wise. I just bought a pure drive roddick. Oh well I waited till the hype on the PDr was gone. Will check again in 2 or 3 years to see if theres still buzz about 16x15. Maybe my racquet head speed will be sufficient to use poly.
I hit with my buds PDR maybe once every other month, just to see....
I use a lighter weight DunlopAero500. Not sure if any differences can't be made up by the indian in this case. PDR has more inherent power, more plowthrough, is 1.5 oz heavier, but not that much difference. He thinks the same thing, and always wants to hit with my racket for a few minutes, before going back to his.
There is a lot to be said for just having good control. Sometimes that power gets tough to be accurate with.
By the way, the stytem used to collect all the data in "real time" was something similar to TrackMan, a system used in pro golf.
Drak (or anyone who's played with the new line), how are volleys?
Seems like Wilson wants to make Babolat like rackets.
NO. In regards to the Steam S line, Wilson wants to make a new line of Wilson racquets with technology that is not a gimmick, and actually does what they claim it will do, and in the process leaves every other racquet in the market in the rear view mirror.
Hi, is there any particular current racquet out there you might compare it to?
Just wondering if there is any point of reference that would help me understand it (without having a demo).
So about 320 grams static, and swingweight also "in the 320s" would you describe using it as... whippy?
22 mm in throat, 24 at head, and 22 at tip. Dual tapered beam. Saw these racquets yesterday and, like drakulie, I think Wilson has a hit on it's hands. I can't wait to play test the new 99. I think the 99S may be a little overkill in the spin department for me but I will definitely hit with both.
I think Wilson has done a tremendous job with their new racquets, footwear, clothing, and accessories. Really a one-stop-shop kind of company.
Not that it is the same, but I would suppose the closest frame I could think of would be the Mark Woodforde frame, Snauwaert Hi ten 30:
Not "whippy", but definitely well balanced and a frame in which the head gets thru the strike zone easily.
I am a tennis pro in Wisconsin and our club will be having a demo night tomorrow. I will put down some thoughts on the racquet.
Is there anything anyone wants me to check out in particular?
Excited to see the new line especially because I endorse Wilson and they give me sweet deals!
look forward to reading your thoughts. Thanks in advance.
I'm sure you will be pleased with the entire line, and how Wilson is going to pursuing promoting their products in 2013. It was a great presentation.
So when can we expect to see these new wilson racquets for sale?
Yes I think I will be pleased as well. A few people on this forum read that Wilson was making a 16X15 string pattern racquet and just wrote it off as Marketing stuff. I read all about the science behind it and was actually very interested because I knew this was not any old racquet but one that had lots of thought go into it.
I will review the best I can on it as I will be working a lot of the demo feeding balls but I know that the Pro's at the club will also get a chance to hit. The 99s will probably be the only racquet I pick up because it is the one with the newest technology.
Thanks and let me know if you want me to test anything in particular TW forum readers!
January, you will see them with some players at the Australian Open. (Paint job of course!)
Big thing for me would be to see if you can truly flatten the ball out during a kill-shot type of putaway. Drak said you could, but I'd need more proof from more people.. just hard to believe that you'd be able to do anything other than spin it into a corner rather than drive it there.. Also, the slice. That's the other shot that would seem difficult, as others have noted, so as for requests, mine would be just to really try to hit drives and slices and see if they're doable on a regular basis with such a crazy open pattern.
About the 99s, is it harder to do drop shots?
Can you take a look at blade 98 2013 18x20 and if you have used blade 98 compare it to the old line?
Will poly strings be a 'must' with these frames?
I can't see too many people around here like this string pattern, so if there are mass conversions it will be a revolution.
Good review Yoda. Maybe roger can pick one of these up and use it at roland garros to beat nadal and counter all the spin he's getting from that aeropro dr.
BTW, did you get a chance to snap a pic with an iphone?
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