Discussion in 'Racquets' started by drakulie, Oct 16, 2012.
try 17L co-poly at 68lbs. it's good.
if you already have a vortex, 99s may have too little spin for you
I play with the Vortex tour 95. The Wilson actually has a more open pattern.
I cannot wait to compare the two sticks.
I have to say the vortex tour 95 seems way more oldschool upon just touching them.
I would say the Vortex tour 95 plays like a Wilson K blade on crack .
I'm not pre judging .....but the steam seems very flimsy comparatively to the tour 95. I guess we have to wait and see!
actually in regards to spin, the 99s topspin is loopier than the tour 95. the tour 95 spin in terms of arc given the same swing path is between a pure drive and an apd, but closer to a pure drive. the 99s string bed feels a bit more trampoline-like and less consistent than the vortex's. the vortex hits a more penetrating ball and hits line drives much more accurately.
How much lead did you add on handle? What's your tensions set up too? Thx
I think the higher the tension, the more the drop once it begins to go. Using low tensions to start, I really haven't noticed a drop off. You really need to bite the bullet and give it a shot.
Rabbit, great to see you're loving it. Question - I apologize in advance for not searching the whole thread if you've already answered this, but I'm thinking my demo's string tension was too high. Are/were you dropping the crosses tension on your other frames? Have you tried the Steam at just a straight 47?
No problem. I'm stringing at 47 mains and 44 crosses. Great to hear from you as well!
I have ordered a couple of sets of Solinco Tour Bite Soft and a couple of sets of the Yonex Poly Tour 1.25. After I try these, a reel purchase will be in order either 4G or one of them.
I am running both the 4g and 4gS at 58lbs. Seems to work well for me, though I have not played with tension at all. Plenty of power, control, and comfort with that setup. I think it was close to a .5 ounces, it brought the racquets up to just under 11.9oz on my cheap digital scale, with overgrip and dampner.
Like I said I have noticed no ill effects from tension loss. I have not noticed the balls launching on me, unless I mistime my shot.
Have u had the racquet for over a month?
105s doesn't even seem to register any fanfare. Is it a run of the mill racket?
With full poly, I restring pretty frequently anyway, no matter what the racquet.
Thanks for that.
I just think most players on this site don't use anything much bigger than 100.
I didn't even think of looking at the 105 .
I could not disagree any more and I own both. I have said this many times but will do so one more time since it has just been brought up and 2ndServe asked. The 105 is an amazing frame and my favorite ever. I am posting my 99s on the auction later today. I have played for dozens of hours with both and the 105s is amazing. Hold the 99s and the 105s up to each other and the size difference is hardly noticeable.
My doubles partner is used to the Babolat APD and also owns a 99s and is struggling to find the sweet spot with the 99s due to its lack of power. I also struggle to get the ball deep with the 99s as I am a conservative swing.....but my partner is a very very aggressive topspin swing....but for us both there is a lack of power compared to what we are used to. The 105s has a bigger sweet spot, creates more spin due to the pattern being even more open (slightly) then the 99s, has the same SW and overall weight, and is even more HL.
If more people would try this frame they would find less tinkering needed compared to the 99s. The 105s is more of a plug-and-play frame. We have a new local shop and I was there last weekend, they said they just sold 2 of the 105s frames to different people that morning.
My point is don't judge it based on the 105 size unless you have tried it, this frame is amazing.
Well that's a new for me. Lack of power…..
I find excellent access to power with this frame.
Lack of power with the 99s or the 105? Hard to imagine.
What was your previous frame?
The lack of power for my partner was with the 99s and his frame for yours has been the APD. He strung the 99s with the same string and tension and says he feels like he cannot hit winners at all.
For me, the lack of power was compared to the Yonex Xi100 when comparing to the 99s. The 105s is about the same power for my style.
TheDarkKnight is correct though, most people will not even give the 105s a try because of the size number alone. Most people think 105 = game improvement, and with that I would agree UNTIL the 105s came out. Just look at the specs without the head size and it would indicate to you a nice tweener frame, not best used for people needing power.
My problem with 105's is although they are great for ground strokes they are horrible at the net.
Are you sure the 99s is that made for lager gauge?
Let's put the durability aspect aside for a while and focus on instant T effectiveness. I have the feeling the frame is reacting way better with 125/130 max gauge than larger one.
I have tested it with Luxilon Savage 127 and got really great sensations. I have then tested it with BB Original 138 and well.. though I wouldn't say this was a bad set up, I kind of felt I was drinving a Porsche with rain tires on hot concrete.
Of course, durability is a concern so I will test thicker strings again and try to find a balance between sensation and durability but I eventually don't thick putting larger gauge in this frame is a plus.
Haven't hit with the 99s yet.....but Vortex recommends 15 gauge strings for its racquets and I've used 15 gauge strings for years with the vortex .
Interesting thing is that vortex actually makes a wide variety of strings for their racquets ranging in all gauges and both poly and multi filament .
I play with a Vortex poly in the crosses and a Vortex Multi in the mains . Durability is great and I will try it in the 99s as well.
Vortex has been making these patterns for a longer time . I suggest using Vortex strings In the Wilson steams until Wilson catches up with perfecting this string pattern.
I agree with you about most 105 frames, but again, this 105 is 8HL and I find its net play and serving the reason I personally like it so much. Most 105 frames are even balance or a little HH, but that much HL definitely lends itself to more useful play at the net.
I agree, larger gauges sacrifices feel in 99s. 17L is great for 2 to 3 sets and either it breaks or gets too bouncy. I think 125 or 17g is a good balance. tour bite 16 was too stiff for me. even in a 99s.
My issue with the Steam 105 is that the pattern is even MORE open than the 99s. They should have made the 105 a 16x17. Also most people find the 105 more powerful and uncontrollable than the 99s.
I've tried tons of 105's.....I find no matter the weight or balance for volleys the are just subpar. Even 100 is pushing it for net play....but acceptable.....anything above that I personally find difficult for net play and therefore not am option for me.
Same here, the tour bite also was to underpowered for me.
I tried the 105s about 4 weeks ago and believe it's a hidden gem. I've been playing the 2013 APDs since December and really enjoyed them as well. Even demoed a 99s for a few days which I found comparable to my APDs but not really worth the money to replace. I normally would have never given a 105, 11oz stick a thought but so glad I tried it on a whim.
I agree it has a lot of power and monster spin but if you already have decent spin I don't think you will have any trouble with control. It has given me more depth and spin. Comfort is way higher then the APDs as well. Only weakness so far has been it's a little light for volleys. Nothing you can't get use to but I like a heavy stick for volleys. However, a heavy stick comes with other negatives that I feel put the 105s ahead for me.
Other then that I do break 16g Luxilon 4G every week strung by me @ 62. I get about 13 hours best I can tell. I'm tempted to try the 15g but I've been so happy with my current setup I'm afraid to change. My advice is to demo it (with poly) and see what you think you just might be surprised by what works for you.
And there we have it. The "S" racquets are a non consideration unless you plan on stringing every week or 2 weeks max, with full poly.
Which was mentioned on page two of this 102 page thread.
I agree, but it bears repeating.
If it makes me a better player its worth it
Ok you have convinced me. I will try and volley with a 105....it's never worked before but I'll try yet again .
First though I must try the 99s as that's what I have in my possession .
Ha, glad to see Ayransmith agree with me about the 105s being a hidden frame on the market right now, which I largely blame on Wilson for not marketing it to the correct crowd. It is not a game Improvement frame and not a chick-stick like other 105 frames.
Glad you will at least give it a try Dark Knight, I am sure you will let us know how it goes.
Also, my partner also believes that the 99s and 105s have better feel then his APD even though the Stiffness is higher.
Lots of 105+ rackets volley well. Most are around low 11oz with 320SW's.
Just what is a volley? A short stroke return of serve, a blocking retrieval off a hard hit ball...those work with OS racket's also.
Not ideal with a 9.5oz granny stick at 74 stiffness, but not OS racket's are like that.
Well there are different types of volleys.
Of your playing dubs and you are not the server and rather the net man then a 105 will work great because you are just standing there as you said and blocking.
Where the 105 has never worked for me is on the serve and volley. This is a whole different ball game than the net man volley in doubles .
For serve and volley you need to have a maneuverable racquet .....and the 105 is just a tad to big .
No serve and volleyer on the pro tour has ever used a 105. Even players who employ serve and volley on some shots don't use a a 105.....not Federer, not Murray , not the Bryan brothers etc etc....
105 is usually strictly baseliner racquet .
Well said.....I initially bought the 105s for doubles to go with my 6'4" height and style of being glued to the net with reflex volleys. Volleys from the service line are much much different and this frame did take me a little while to get comfortable with that shot. It is also worth nothing though that I struggle a little with that volley with any frame, but I have worked in the 105s with the ball machine and I quite like the feel now.
You should try adding some lead in your demo for the 105. I use duct tape(for easy lead placement) when I demo and try different configurations to see what works best. I've never hit with a tweener so far that I haven't modified in some way. IMO, tweeners are all too light! Hope it works out for you.
I found I had to restring more frequently with the Radical Pro then I do with the 99s. Go figure.
Really? Is the RP renowned for going through strings at a very high rate?
It sure is Rossy boy!
I tried hex poly 17 vs tour bite 16. hex poly is a lot softer on a 99s. spin is about the same.
I played singles with my 105s yesterday after stringing yesterday myself with Wilson Spin Cycle at 50 lbs. Loved it, great feel and touch, opponent knew my game well and kept complimenting my volleying and touch with the frame. I told him I attributed it more the deeper and heavier approach shots allowing me to get into good position for the volleys. He even said that my serve had much more kick then the last time we played. Man I love that frame.
I have not used either. I am interested in the 99 s though. I used a 104 Organix 7 and I likedvit but I prefer smaller head sizes. I hope the 99s is arm friendly as I developed golfers elbow with the APD. I also am considering the Exo3 Tour
Think both of these have certain similarity actually B. With both you can stay in points for ever, retrieve and defend Ferrer-style, utilise the abundant topspin very easily, swing with ease, etc.
For me though, 99s is significantly better. It's WAY better on serve, generally has a lot more pop, is better for me re volleying and more all court, and I prefer it for solidness too.
I've been playing with the 99s for 4 months now, and I struggled with alot of things with it, the return of serve and overhitting was 2 of those things.
So I added silicone in the handle, to bring up the weight to 355g on the 99s, and It's a beast.
I have also found that the 99S responds really well to tailweighting.
That's funny because the other frame in my bag other then the 99s and 105s is the new Organix 7 (295) frame. I don't have elbow problems at all and never have so it is hard for me to compare. the 105s does feel softer then the 99s. The 105s actually feels like a small head then the 104 in of the organix 7....but it could be because it is so far head light. My partner his the ADP GT and feels like the 99s is much much softer feeling.
Big tournament today in the Charlotte area, 260+ players. A guy I know well who got bumped from 4.0 to 4.5 was playing in the third round of singles of a 32 man field. I noticed the paint job and asked him if it was the 99s or 105s. He said he demo'd them both but like the 105s much better and said it was a frame that allows him to stay in point that he otherwise would be out of.
He also noted the incredible lack of power from the 99s but he keeps his 105s strung at 62 with 4g string. I am at 50 with Wilson Spin Cycle, but I have a much much more conservative swing and don't mind that extra pop. Just very interesting and I thought it was worth noting on here as that is a sold 4.5 player who chose the 105s over the 99s after hitting them both.......don't overlook it just because of that 105 number.
Are the sizes of the squares in the middle of the racquet larger on the 105s than the 99s?
If your game relies on a few big shots to end points, smaller is usually preferred.
If your game is to hit many balls, tire your opponent, and use your running and moving skills, bigger is better for most players.
Style makes a huge differernce in choosing big or small rackets. Plain and simple, bigger can be more consistent, while smaller can hit bigger shots.
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