Wilson Pro Labs: Blade Pro Official Thread

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
I actually got it already (16m) andReally like it. :). I was just curious if there is anything special that I wasnt aware of.

i am also using is pure aero with lead (335g static weight, ~340 sw, 5HL)
No secret ingredient... unless you consider the mold, low RA (in H22 Pro Stocks a different layup and even lower RA), and the 16x19 string pattern with 8 Mains in the throat, special.

If I'm not wrong, it's basically Wilson's version of the Head Liquidmetal Radical Tour MP that Djokovic was playing with. I think the Head Liquidmetal Radical MP is a fantastic racquet as well (never played with the Tour version as they are rarer and I don't want to dish out big money for used ones).

With all of these racquets (H22, HLM RT MP, and HLM RMP), I think it's the mold design, lightweight/ high SW/ tighter string pattern combination that is what is special. They have excellent control, are able to deal with heavy shots and pace from the opponent, have great power in stock form, and can then easily be modified to personal specifications without becoming too heavy in static weight.

For the Pros, they have a racquet that already has a higher SW and great stability in stock form, so they can either leave the head alone and just modify the handle side to get their desired specs... or they need to add minimal weight to the head (for men to get their 350-360SW), and then add the weight to the handle (silicone, or silicone plus lead, etc) to get their desired static weight, balance, SW, TW, etc.

It basically provides many things that are desired by high-level players/ Pros in stock form and isn't too complicated to modify (if that's required). I think this was basically a lightweight solution to the PT57As/ PT630s. It provided the stability and comfort of the latter, in a low static weight package. With the PT630 you have a heavy racquet that is phenomenal if you can hit the smaller sweet spot, but any modifications to the head resulted in a very heavy racquet. Here, the Pros and high-level players (or those that can wield the racquet with its higher SW) were given a racquet that was light in static weight, stable, bigger SW (that could be made enormous with small mods), bigger TW (that again could be made rock solid with small mods), and a light static weight that could be used in stock or modified to a much more manageable static weight when finished. What resulted was a racquet that had a bigger sweet spot, similar or better stability, but was more adaptable to a range of static weights required by a larger range of players.

Hope that has answered your query.
 
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Jcryanlee

New User
No secret ingredient... unless you consider the mold, low RA (in H22 Pro Stocks a different layup and even lower RA), and the 16x19 string pattern with 8 Mains in the throat, special.

If I'm not wrong, it's basically Wilson's version of the Head Liquidmetal Radical Tour MP that Djokovic was playing with. I think the Head Liquidmetal Radical MP is a fantastic racquet as well (never played with the Tour version as they are rarer and I don't want to dish out big money for used ones).

With all of these racquets (H22, HLM RT MP, and HLM RMP), I think it's the mold design, lightweight/ high SW/ tighter string pattern combination that is what is special. They have excellent control, are able to deal with heavy shots and pace from the opponent, have great power in stock form, and can then easily be modified to personal specifications without becoming too heavy in static weight.

For the Pros, they have a racquet that already has a higher SW and great stability in stock form, so they can either leave the head alone and just modify the handle side to get their desired specs... or they need to add minimal weight to the head (for men to get their 350-360SW), and then add the weight to the handle (silicone, or silicone plus lead, etc) to get their desired static weight, balance, SW, TW, etc.

It basically provides many things that are desired by high-level players/ Pros in stock form and isn't too complicated to modify (if that's required). I think this was basically a lightweight solution to the PT57As/ PT630s. It provided the stability and comfort of the latter, in a low static weight package. With the PT630 you have a heavy racquet that is phenomenal if you can hit the smaller sweet spot, but any modifications to the head resulted in a very heavy racquet. Here, the Pros and high-level players (or those that can wield the racquet with its higher SW) were given a racquet that was light in static weight, stable, bigger SW (that could be made enormous with small mods), bigger TW (that again could be made rock solid with small mods), and a light static weight that could be used in stock or modified to a much more manageable static weight when finished. What resulted was a racquet that had a bigger sweet spot, similar or better stability, but was more adaptable to a range of static weights required by a larger range of players.

Hope that has answered your query.
That’s a great explanation. It all makes sense. Thanks!
 
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Deleted member 780456

Guest
For the heavy plow through style racquet - seems to be a great mix of soft yet no muting technology feedback, yet specs of a heavy ball with a simple flat 22mm beam plus box beam throat - seems so simple but not really anything on the market with that combination.
 

jstwtt

New User
Does anyone here know how to get Blades Pro within a certain spec range?

The two 18x20 I purchased last year had very close specs: unstrung weight 309g / balance 33cm, and weight 307g / balance 33.1cm. That was quite a bit more head heavy than most other specs that have been posted here, but I got used to that setup (with just a leather grip to counter balance), I love it now, and I'm now looking for another one or two with close enough specs.

I know I probably can order from Wilson, measure, return, repeat, until I get a match, but that's a little silly, going to cost Wilson more money than it should, and unnecessary waste of time on my side...

Any advice? Wilson or TW folks, are you listening too, any way you could help?

Thanks!!
 

Addxyz

Professional
Does anyone here know how to get Blades Pro within a certain spec range?

The two 18x20 I purchased last year had very close specs: unstrung weight 309g / balance 33cm, and weight 307g / balance 33.1cm. That was quite a bit more head heavy than most other specs that have been posted here, but I got used to that setup (with just a leather grip to counter balance), I love it now, and I'm now looking for another one or two with close enough specs.

I know I probably can order from Wilson, measure, return, repeat, until I get a match, but that's a little silly, going to cost Wilson more money than it should, and unnecessary waste of time on my side...

Any advice? Wilson or TW folks, are you listening too, any way you could help?

Thanks!!
Just buy a couple like 6 at a time if you're going for 1.
 

jstwtt

New User
I'm not sure a few grams of static weight matter (I wouldn't be able to tell the difference either) as much as the balance...

Mine were 33.0 and 33.1 unstrung, which is more head heavy than most 32-32.5 specs posted here... and now that I got used to those I'd really like to get more racquets with the same balance...

I realize I can adjust the balance with lead tape (that's what I did with a bit of lead mid handle to match the two I have) but I know from experience that it won't get the same feel at all if the starting balance is so significantly different...

So, I guess I'm just going to have to do repeat orders and returns to Wilson until I get a match...

Wilson, I'm guessing you have a good deal with FedEx and UPS, but it's a shame that we have to resort to that......

Wouldn't it be better for everybody to just provide a racquet spec matching service?! It could even be completely automated, aka cheap... where the customer would enter the balance they want and for a premium your order management system would just do a lookup and select a good enough match in your inventory...

Please sign me up when you have that...
 
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onehandbh

Legend
Anyone know if the Blade Pro 16x19 and 18x20 have the same drill pattern and grommets as the regular retail Blade 16x19 and 18x20?
 

Dishiki

Rookie
Put Fire/Ghost in my 16x19 at 52/50. Hit incredibly well but so tough on my elbow. Going back to hybrids. Going to try Black Knight and Gosen.
 

NJ TV ED

New User
Just hit with mine today for the first time. Mine weighs 330g with dampener and over grip! Felt incredibly plush and stable!!! The ball feel was amazing!! Going to order 2 more ASAP. Technifibre x1 biphase 16g @ 55lbs.
 

Crashbaby

Semi-Pro
Awesome, but demanding stick. Has me regularly questioning my skill set/sanity! Then to make matters worse I watch a podcast with legend play tester Andy Gerst suggesting he ain’t getting any younger and maybe he will try a 100 inch stick. I’m not in his league, so what am I thinking....
Are we seduced with promises of greatness based on what gifted players can do with this stick and also the gorgeous glossy paint.. hmmm :)
 
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AA7

Hall of Fame
Awesome, but demanding stick. Has me regularly questioning my skill set/sanity! Then to make matters worse I watch a podcast with legend play tester Andy Gerst suggesting he ain’t getting any younger and maybe he will try a 100 inch stick. I’m not in his league, so what am I thinking....
Are we seduced with promises of greatness based on what gifted players can do with this stick and also the gorgeous glossy paint.. hmmm :)
yes. for sure. truth to that...
 

satchmo_d

New User
Awesome, but demanding stick. Has me regularly questioning my skill set/sanity! Then to make matters worse I watch a podcast with legend play tester Andy Gerst suggesting he ain’t getting any younger and maybe he will try a 100 inch stick. I’m not in his league, so what am I thinking....
Are we seduced with promises of greatness based on what gifted players can do with this stick and also the gorgeous glossy paint.. hmmm :)
Love the look of the racket, didn't do much for my game. Not the racket's fault, just my game.
 

dave t

Rookie
Have posted this before but find this a relatively easy racquet to play with - easier than the normal blade IMO. But everyone is different and has their own preferences. There aren’t many racquets on the market with such a high SW and low static weight. Can see some not clicking with the weight distribution.
 

sphinx780

Hall of Fame
Alright, I've had a few months to dial in and play around with these. Bottom line - I love them for my game.

Coming from the past 4 years with the RF97 - I'd say the simplest way to explain the BP 16x19 with my game is that the RF97 is like a high end single speed bike. It'll make you a better player by virtue of it's weight and single faceted nature. It can bludgeon* a ball and be highly effective when you're on your game. So, it's on you to put in the work to be on your game.

The BP is more like an 18 gear bike to me. Compared to the RF97, depending on the day and what's working, I can bludgeon* the ball like the RF, but when my game is off, I can also dial it down a few notches and play a more nuanced and precise game. I can't recommend this racquet more. Serve, Volley, Forehand, Backhand on my best days are just as good as the RF97. When one is off, I'd argue that I much more room for error with the BP and can adapt to my poor play/footwork/headspace to fully run with a plan B effectively.

* Editor's note: Bludgeoning is a highly subjective term. My best shots could be slightly better or much, much worse than yours. Make of it what you will ;-)
 

Bobble

Semi-Pro
Does anyone like or play with the 18m anymore? I love how great it is for counterpunching…the feel, depth, control, etc.

I’m obviously pretending that I’m a pro with these things, but doesn’t seem to matter at the 4.5 level since me not missing is the best weapon I really have.
 

USPTARF97

Hall of Fame
Anyone played Gut in the crosses in the Blade 16x19? Tried Gut in the mains and didn’t care for it. Mainly using full poly at 48lbs. Have used some poly/syn gut and poly/multi at 44/48 and it played well. Had more control on the serve with more feel than full poly.
 

sphinx780

Hall of Fame
Anyone played Gut in the crosses in the Blade 16x19? Tried Gut in the mains and didn’t care for it. Mainly using full poly at 48lbs. Have used some poly/syn gut and poly/multi at 44/48 and it played well. Had more control on the serve with more feel than full poly.
Haven't tried crosses. Using gut/multi at 55/55. I like a softer bed for feel. Was at 56/52 with the rfa97. Tried that first in the BP and it was a mess. Very inconsistent string bed. 55/55 tamed the random power boost and balanced out the power/feel blend for me.
 

USPTARF97

Hall of Fame
Haven't tried crosses. Using gut/multi at 55/55. I like a softer bed for feel. Was at 56/52 with the rfa97. Tried that first in the BP and it was a mess. Very inconsistent string bed. 55/55 tamed the random power boost and balanced out the power/feel blend for me.
Gonna have to try that, like the softer feel of a natural gut hybrid but for whatever reason Gut/poly didn’t feel right to me in this frame at 55/52.
 
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darkother

Rookie
I've been hitting with the Blade Pro on and off for the last few months and have really enjoyed my time with it. Coming from the Aeropro Drive and Pure Drive, I feel like I have more plowthrough and stability on almost every shot, which is what I've really been looking for from a racquet. However, I feel like I haven't been able to fully gel with it in match play when I'm playing against guys that are in the 12 utr range or better. I'm used to playing with lower swingweight racquets and while the Blade Pro gives me the stability and feel I want, I tend to not be able to get as much spin or swing speed as I would like on the ball. Do you guys have any suggestions on racquets that might give me a similar amount of stability (without needing a bunch of lead) and provides a decent amount of spin as well?
 

darkother

Rookie
I've been hitting with the Blade Pro on and off for the last few months and have really enjoyed my time with it. Coming from the Aeropro Drive and Pure Drive, I feel like I have more plowthrough and stability on almost every shot, which is what I've really been looking for from a racquet. However, I feel like I haven't been able to fully gel with it in match play when I'm playing against guys that are in the 12 utr range or better. I'm used to playing with lower swingweight racquets and while the Blade Pro gives me the stability and feel I want, I tend to not be able to get as much spin or swing speed as I would like on the ball. Do you guys have any suggestions on racquets that might give me a similar amount of stability (without needing a bunch of lead) and provides a decent amount of spin as well?
Some of the racquets I've tried and liked recently besides the Blade Pro are the Extreme Tour and the Ezone 98. The Extreme Tour suited my forehand but I can't seem to find the backhand, (I think the swingweight even with extra lead is too low), and I liked the Ezone 98 with a bit of extra lead, but I felt it was a little lacking when at the net and serving. I've also tried and liked the Pure Strike 3rd gen, so I may give that another shot as well. Would anybody that's played with the Vcore Pro 310 or the Pure Drive VS (with lead) say that they might split the Blade Pro/Extreme Tour difference?
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
Does anyone like or play with the 18m anymore? I love how great it is for counterpunching…the feel, depth, control, etc.

I’m obviously pretending that I’m a pro with these things, but doesn’t seem to matter at the 4.5 level since me not missing is the best weapon I really have.
I just switched to it and just waiting for the honeymoon to blow over to proclaim that my search is over.
For my game is way better than 16x19 version which I also tested
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
I've been hitting with the Blade Pro on and off for the last few months and have really enjoyed my time with it. Coming from the Aeropro Drive and Pure Drive, I feel like I have more plowthrough and stability on almost every shot, which is what I've really been looking for from a racquet. However, I feel like I haven't been able to fully gel with it in match play when I'm playing against guys that are in the 12 utr range or better. I'm used to playing with lower swingweight racquets and while the Blade Pro gives me the stability and feel I want, I tend to not be able to get as much spin or swing speed as I would like on the ball. Do you guys have any suggestions on racquets that might give me a similar amount of stability (without needing a bunch of lead) and provides a decent amount of spin as well?
Have you tried changing the balance of the BP to more HL? That's what I did for mine and it swings nicely. Just a thought... if all other things are working for you.
 

Bobble

Semi-Pro
I've been hitting with the Blade Pro on and off for the last few months and have really enjoyed my time with it. Coming from the Aeropro Drive and Pure Drive, I feel like I have more plowthrough and stability on almost every shot, which is what I've really been looking for from a racquet. However, I feel like I haven't been able to fully gel with it in match play when I'm playing against guys that are in the 12 utr range or better. I'm used to playing with lower swingweight racquets and while the Blade Pro gives me the stability and feel I want, I tend to not be able to get as much spin or swing speed as I would like on the ball. Do you guys have any suggestions on racquets that might give me a similar amount of stability (without needing a bunch of lead) and provides a decent amount of spin as well?
Since it sounds like you play at a high level, I’d suggest trying to make the BP more headlight before giving up. Thinner gauge strings, hybrids, tail-weighting…this helped me make it play better under pressure (although still challenging vs tweener type frames).
 

darkother

Rookie
I’ll have to try adding some weight to the grip then. I’ve never been a huge fan of leather grips, so maybe a little lead underneath possibly. I’ve been hitting a bunch recently with the extreme tour and it seems to suit my game pretty well. I’ve added some lead to make it a bit more stable, and the only thing that isn’t great yet is the backhand, but I’m starting to find the range with it now.
 

DrewRafter8

Professional
What is everyone stringing their BP 18x20 with? I've made the switch and have yet to have the honeymoon period wear off too. It's an amazing frame if you can swing it. I currently use Tour Bite 1.20 and like it, but I'm interested in trying a few strings.
 

Bobble

Semi-Pro
What is everyone stringing their BP 18x20 with? I've made the switch and have yet to have the honeymoon period wear off too. It's an amazing frame if you can swing it. I currently use Tour Bite 1.20 and like it, but I'm interested in trying a few strings.
Currently trying tour bite 18/1.15, and loving it. Have tried tour bite 17, Diamond rough 17, 4g, and BBO. Will be trying more 18g because it makes the racquet a bit more headlight, but also want to try some hybrids as well.
 

pfrischmann

Professional
Hi guys, I'm curious what you are coming up with for swing weight. I got a pro 16X19 used with VS gut and ALU. The SW is 340, which I though was a bit high even with having gut on there. I put a bout two wraps of lead on the tail and it's now an 11.9 ounce racquet with a balance point at 33CM.
 

Addxyz

Professional
Hi guys, I'm curious what you are coming up with for swing weight. I got a pro 16X19 used with VS gut and ALU. The SW is 340, which I though was a bit high even with having gut on there. I put a bout two wraps of lead on the tail and it's now an 11.9 ounce racquet with a balance point at 33CM.
That's probably on the medium-low end of the spectrum. Some folks are up to around 350 SW. With 1.15 poly, I can get close to 333-336SW, 1.25 poly I'm up to 339 SW.
 

onehandbh

Legend
Just strung my Blade Pro 16x19 (L2) and will try it out for the first time soon.

309g - stock, unstrung weight
319g - Changed the grip to black Fairway leather grip and unstrung

337g - strung with Volkl Cyclone (52/50 lbs; no overgrip yet)

Balance with strings & leather grip is now about 5 pts head light.

My current racquet is 362g (strung w/overgrip), but it is more head light.
 

Andy Wang

New User
Where are you guys getting your grommets from? Can the regular blade 98 v7 16x19 grommets fit the blade pro 98 v7 16x19?
 

onehandbh

Legend
Played a few sets of doubles with the Blade Pro 16x19. Initial feelings/review:
319g (unstrung w/leather grip)
337g (strung wt with Volkl Cyclone 17 @ 52/50 lbs)
343g w/overgrip

The BP16x19 feels much more polarized than my Yonex 95D. I initially struggled a bit with timing.
I feel like I have to relax more and use my body more to pull the racquet into the contact.

GROUNDSTROKES
The launch angle felt higher than my 95D. It also feels much softer and more muted than my 95D. The ball seems to pocket and stay on the strings longer. This might be partially due to my stringing it at a lower tension than my 95D, which was at 55/53. Overall, I feel like I can hit more spin, but I am not sure if I am or not. I will be playing with it again tomorrow and will ask the person I am hitting with if he notices any difference.

VOLLEYS
I initially struggled a little bit on low volleys and also on high volleys b/c it is more polarized.

SERVES
Again. I am not sure if I am hitting harder or with more spin, but it feels like I am getting more spin.

TOUCH & DROPSHOTS:
These were tough for me b/c I had less feedback on the stringbed. I think a thicker and/or tighter tension might help with this.

STRING WEAR:
Probably about the same as my 95D.
After 3 hours, my Volkl Cyclone strings are already notched a bit and not sliding anymore, but it is a textured string, so this seems pretty normal.
 

Andy Wang

New User
There's because it's a range lol.

These are coming in heavier than blades that are high 330s. 340 to 350 I'd guess is where most fall
I mean there’s a range in both balance and static weight but they list it. Was just wondering if there’s a baseline swingweight
 
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