Wilson Pro Labs: Blade Pro Official Thread

Astonish

New User
I an also curious about UP18 vs BP18 - since I no longer have one - and wasnt curious about this when I did.

The UP/UT 18 vs K6.1-95 18 I can do for you - if you are still interested

I have a real H22 18m but I am not sure if BP 18 is same as H22 18m as my H22 is very slightly more open than ny UP/UT 18
Thanks for the quick reply! I’d love to hear how all of them compare if you’re willing to test sometime and relay your findings :)

Thanks again!
 
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Astonish

New User
I an also curious about UP18 vs BP18 - since I no longer have one - and wasnt curious about this when I did.

The UP/UT 18 vs K6.1-95 18 I can do for you - if you are still interested

I have a real H22 18m but I am not sure if BP 18 is same as H22 18m as my H22 is very slightly more open than ny UP/UT 18
Hey @gold325, just wanted to check in again before ordering some different racquets. Were you able to line up the grommets on your UP/6.1/H22 18x20s? :)

Thank you again for your willingness to help me!
 

gold325

Hall of Fame
Hey @gold325, just wanted to check in again before ordering some different racquets. Were you able to line up the grommets on your UP/6.1/H22 18x20s? :)

Thank you again for your willingness to help me!
Yes I put them together and trying to think how to take pics without parralax error or differences looking like parrallax error.

6.1 95 has least average density on crosses

All 3 have very similar average mains density but there are differences in how that density varies from inside to outside.

Will take some pics along with explanation today.
 

gold325

Hall of Fame
Yes I put them together and trying to think how to take pics without parralax error or differences looking like parrallax error.

6.1 95 has least average density on crosses

All 3 have very similar average mains density but there are differences in how that density varies from inside to outside.

Will take some pics along with explanation today.

Looks like UT has more density in center mains and less on outside mains. The H22 and 6.1 are more consistent.

The 6.1 has less overall density in the crosses.

Like I said am not sure if the retail H22 has rhe same pattern as BP.

Someone with graph paper and a fixed camera could take much better pics BUT not sure if knowing the difference matters as the layups, feel and flex are so different. Let along grommet style, size of holes etc which also obviously change things.

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Astonish

New User
Looks like UT has more density in center mains and less on outside mains. The H22 and 6.1 are more consistent.

The 6.1 has less overall density in the crosses.

Like I said am not sure if the retail H22 has rhe same pattern as BP.

Someone with graph paper and a fixed camera could take much better pics BUT not sure if knowing the difference matters as the layups, feel and flex are so different. Let along grommet style, size of holes etc which also obviously change things.

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Thanks so much for taking the time to do this! I wasn’t even expecting photos, so this was really nice of you. I’m trying to confirm which frame is the densest 18x20 string pattern that’s currently available relatively easily (and will continue to be available for years to come, in the need of replacements, etc.) From the demos I’ve ordered and some of the pro stocks I own, I’ve come to the conclusion that the Pure Strike 18x20 is probably the densest pattern that can be readily obtained whenever needed (compared it directly with the Ultra Pro v4 and it’s right there with it, pretty neck and neck). I thought the Blade Pro might have been an option, since its pattern is denser than the retail Blade 18x20 (it was also one of the few I didn’t have myself to directly A/B with), but dealing with Wilson Pro Labs poses some of its own obstacles (and from what I’ve seen, I think the Pure Strike 18x20 still edges it out). The 6.1 95 18x20 was one of the only other frames I wasn’t able to test either, so again, really appreciate the help with this. I know there are frames from previous years (like the BLX Pro Tour) that are crazy dense (even more than these), but again, not easily available/replaceable. Going to cc resident dense-pattern aficionado @travlerajm in case he finds any of this convo of interest too :)
 
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big bang

Hall of Fame
Picked up 3 blade pros today, managed to find 3 within 1 gram difference and 2mm balance. The specs I was looking for, the only problem is that 1 is 4 3/8 and 2 are 4 1/4. I always add Leather as I like it more headlight. I have heat shrink sleeves that Will add 0,5 size. The sleeve Will add quite a bit of weight, so my question is: whats the easiest Way to reach the same specs and handle size?.
I was thinking about adding the sleeves and a thick Leather grip like fairway to the pair of 4 1/4, and add lead and Leather to the 4 3/8. Not looking to add anything to the hoop. 330-335g and 310mm unstrung would be the prefered specs for me.
Any suggestions are more than welcome, thanks!
 

gold325

Hall of Fame
Picked up 3 blade pros today, managed to find 3 within 1 gram difference and 2mm balance. The specs I was looking for, the only problem is that 1 is 4 3/8 and 2 are 4 1/4. I always add Leather as I like it more headlight. I have heat shrink sleeves that Will add 0,5 size. The sleeve Will add quite a bit of weight, so my question is: whats the easiest Way to reach the same specs and handle size?.
I was thinking about adding the sleeves and a thick Leather grip like fairway to the pair of 4 1/4, and add lead and Leather to the 4 3/8. Not looking to add anything to the hoop. 330-335g and 310mm unstrung would be the prefered specs for me.
Any suggestions are more than welcome, thanks!
6-7HL (323-320mm balance) is stock I believe
You want 310mm so you need 3HL (10mm) more which is about 15g added around handle
So the 4.25 use grip sleeve (16-17g) + synthetic leather grip
For the 4.375 racket use real leather + a little weight if needed
Will be really close to each other feel and weight and balance wise
 

big bang

Hall of Fame
6-7HL (323-320mm balance) is stock I believe
You want 310mm so you need 3HL (10mm) more which is about 15g added around handle
So the 4.25 use grip sleeve (16-17g) + synthetic leather grip
For the 4.375 racket use real leather + a little weight if needed
Will be really close to each other feel and weight and balance wise
Thank you for confirming, that could do it. The only thing Im not crazy about, is the synthetic grip. I normally only use Leather
 

gold325

Hall of Fame
Thank you for confirming, that could do it. The only thing Im not crazy about, is the synthetic grip. I normally only use Leather

Solinco Syn-Leather is LIGHT and really indistinguishable from some leathers especially if playing under an OG
 

gold325

Hall of Fame
Hello.
I am having some trouble figuring a few things out. Wilson can be quite confusing white the layups and different iterations of same racquets.
Are the Blade Pro 98s sold on the Pro Labs section of Wilson`s website the H22 molds? (Blade Pro 98 (16x19) V9 Tennis Racket | Wilson Sporting Goods)
And, are the Ultra Pros the H19?
Sorry if it has already been answered, lot of pages in this thread

Thank you all!

Mold - Yes
Layup - No
String Patterns - Pro Stocks H19 and H22 have more options than Pro Labs

Im told the Pro Labs (Ultra Pro and Blade Pro) units are stiffer than almost all Pro Stock units so rec players can use them.

But nothing stopping pros from using retail pro labs style units but there us nothing stopping them from using full retail regular units either.... So thats kinda a moot point.
 
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gold325

Hall of Fame
Hello.
I am having some trouble figuring a few things out. Wilson can be quite confusing white the layups and different iterations of same racquets.
Are the Blade Pro 98s sold on the Pro Labs section of Wilson`s website the H22 molds? (Blade Pro 98 (16x19) V9 Tennis Racket | Wilson Sporting Goods)
And, are the Ultra Pros the H19?
Sorry if it has already been answered, lot of pages in this thread

Thank you all!

Let me answer in another way
1. if you want a pro stock, pay the reasonable premium and get the pro stock - the up and bp will not satisfy your need for a pro stock - and you will want the pro stock eventually again (been there, done that)
2. If you want some kind of pro stock feel - the the up and bp might and probably will satisfy.
 

gcgraciano

New User
Let me answer in another way
1. if you want a pro stock, pay the reasonable premium and get the pro stock - the up and bp will not satisfy your need for a pro stock - and you will want the pro stock eventually again (been there, done that)
2. If you want some kind of pro stock feel - the the up and bp might and probably will satisfy.
Thank you. That’s perfectly clear now!

What websites selling real h22 pro stock in USA?
I’m from Brazil, but can manage getting it from the US.
 

gold325

Hall of Fame
Thank you. That’s perfectly clear now!

What websites selling real h22 pro stock in USA?
I’m from Brazil, but can manage getting it from the US.

No simple answers unfortunately. Secondary market is the only real choice - either new unstrung or used. I would personally just stay away from rackets branded "Blade Pro" even if some sources say that some H22s are coming branded Blade pro from Wilson just to avoid taking the risk and also constant self doubt. I just got lucky and got a H22 in V8 paint used by a player trying to get onto tours (and didn't succeed).

Older paintjobs can be cheaper than newer ones but still more than Blade Pros. But spec check before is relatively important unless you a beast yourself. Ive seen units that are 300 to 330SW unstrung which more on the top end of that. It nice to get a curiosity but better is a usable curiosity.
 

ryushen21

Legend
I'm finally getting around to scratching that Blade Pro itch. I've decided on trying the 16x19 pattern.

Has the Blade Pro layup remained the same since its introduction with the V7 paint or have there been changes with each iteration?
 

Funbun

Professional
I'm finally getting around to scratching that Blade Pro itch. I've decided on trying the 16x19 pattern.

Has the Blade Pro layup remained the same since its introduction with the V7 paint or have there been changes with each iteration?
I've used a BP v7 16x19 in the past and am now back to a BP v9 albeit 18x20.

Anecdotally, the very first thing I noticed was that the flare on the butt of the handle was just slightly bigger on the v9. The buttcap itself also seemed more rounded than the v9, and I had trouble standing it up when weighing it on my balance.

I don't think there has been any layup or mold changes between the versions otherwise.
 

zaskar1

Professional
I'm finally getting around to scratching that Blade Pro itch. I've decided on trying the 16x19 pattern.

Has the Blade Pro layup remained the same since its introduction with the V7 paint or have there been changes with each iteration?
i think the iteration of the BP98 v8 18x20 is slightly different than the BP98 v7 18x20, i tried to add the appropriate
lead to make the SW and Balance as close as possible. i did add leather grips and leadtape to the v8s
they play pretty much the same, but the BP98 v7s
the string jobs losing tension seem to affect the racquet response a lot.
i usually use Solinco TB 17 strung between 46-48#s

i have one BP98 v8 16x19, and although i tried to balance them the same as my BP98 18x20s
to me it plays a little different.
the BP 16x19 has more spin and power, but the difference
might be due to the fact the SW of the BP98 16x19 is much lower, and
balance is really different
i added lead to the hoop and handle. installed a leather grip.
and i get more racquet acceleration, but less control.

if i switch to the BP98 v9, i will go with 16x19

z
 

mauricem

Semi-Pro
I'm tempted to grab a BP V8 currently on special but its only available in L4, does anyone know if the Blade Pro grip sizes are equivalent to regular Blade? I have a Blade V8100 L3 and a Head ET L4. They both feel the same size but given the BP is a different layup its hard to know what to expect?
 

TwinCinema

Professional
I'm tempted to grab a BP V8 currently on special but its only available in L4, does anyone know if the Blade Pro grip sizes are equivalent to regular Blade? I have a Blade V8100 L3 and a Head ET L4. They both feel the same size but given the BP is a different layup its hard to know what to expect?

Same. The BP v9 I’m using now in an L4 feels identical to my standard Blade v8 L4.

I agree the HEAD grips feel a tad smaller - I also have an ET in an L4 and it’s slightly looser in my hand.
 

enJin_

New User
I'm seeing some discrepancies in the stringbed pattern of the Blade Pro v9 18x20. Can anyone confirm which is correct?

Here is the stock picture from Wilson's very own website (note the string/grommet pattern near the throat):
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And here is a picture I pulled from an actual **** listing:
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Looks completely different. Can anyone chime in?
 

colan5934

Professional
I'm seeing some discrepancies in the stringbed pattern of the Blade Pro v9 18x20. Can anyone confirm which is correct?

Here is the stock picture from Wilson's very own website (note the string/grommet pattern near the throat):
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And here is a picture I pulled from an actual **** listing:
s-l1600.webp


Looks completely different. Can anyone chime in?
The racquet in the product picture is mis-strung
 

Fintft

G.O.A.T.
So what's the consensus of the model for BP
And where can one get it, from the Pro Labs section of Wilson?
Any current codes please?

Thx!
 

MarkJ

New User
Hello, I'm new to these forums and a noob (relatively speaking) when it comes to racquets. I was hoping to get some advice on whether to make the switch to the Blade Pro.

I currently use the Head Pro Tour 2.0 and while I absolutely love the plush feel, control & plowthrough it provides, I am looking for a slightly more forgiving and slightly lighter racquet with similar feel. I am also looking for a 16 x 19 pattern to get more spin and could do with a bit more power assistance.

I have a fast swing and while I can swing the head pro tour 2.0 comfortably for 3 sets, I feel a slightly lighter racquet would help me get more pace & spin on my serve.

Anyone recommend the Blade Pro based on this?

If I got the Blade Pro and added say 10g to the handle, would I get a swingweight of 330+ (static weight 315g)?
 

Funbun

Professional
Interesting to see that the 16x19 BP v9 came in at 61 flex RA and 60 RA for the 18x20 for TW
It could be because there's more string material in the 18x20 to bring the RA down more, in corollary to how stringing a racquet always lowers the RA reading.




....or Wilson QC.
 
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jburton

Rookie
It could be because there's more string material in the 18x20 to bring the RA down more, in corollary to how stringing a racquet always lowers the RA reading.




....or Wilson QC.

I was more surprised because people were measuring BPs anywhere from 62-64 before and Tw said their measurement were from 59-60 (for the 18x20).
 

Chairman3

Hall of Fame
I was more surprised because people were measuring BPs anywhere from 62-64 before and Tw said their measurement were from 59-60 (for the 18x20).
Plus we don't know how many samples they tested.
Sometimes when they first get a racquet it is only like 2 or 3 samples
 

chapmpe

Rookie

For those interested, as mentioned earlier, it's getting closer :) premeasuring and matching BP's oof
I think @TW Staff Michelle nailed the review. I did exactly what she said, was using a RF and wanted something more comfortable and this still gave me the heavy ball the rf did. Great sticks if you dont mind a little weight
 

JimboCollie

New User
I currently use pretty heavy prostock h19's and want to try the blade pro (i like the gloss emerald green). All may rackets have only ever come with a leather grips. If I buy the blade pro and put a leather grip on do i need to go down a grip size or keep my usual 4 3/8? Any info would be appreciated.
 

Chairman3

Hall of Fame
If I buy the blade pro and put a leather grip on do i need to go down a grip size or keep my usual 4 3/8? Any info would be appreciated.
In my experience, leather grips compress and you actually end up slightly smaller than the original grip size. I put leather on all my racquets.
So I'd stick with your usual.
 

Conrado85

Rookie
I don't think they will ever do this - the 18*19 floating around the internet a couple of months ago was a Blade Pro Stock, not a Blade Pro

Korda plays a kBlade mold at 18x19, so let's see, but that definitely is no BP
The pro stock 18x19 version is the most fantastic racket I've ever used, far superior to the H19 or H22 pro stock and as much as the Blade V9 retail is a great racket, the pro stock 18x19 version is light years superior... It has everything , control, stability, feel, quick handling (even with low specs)! I own a pair of them and they are my official rackets at the moment (after a year using H22 pro stock).
 

eric42

Semi-Pro
I currently use pretty heavy prostock h19's and want to try the blade pro (i like the gloss emerald green). All may rackets have only ever come with a leather grips. If I buy the blade pro and put a leather grip on do i need to go down a grip size or keep my usual 4 3/8? Any info would be appreciated.
There's no difference in the handle molding between pro stock and retail frames, so just use your normal size.
 
The pro stock 18x19 version is the most fantastic racket I've ever used, far superior to the H19 or H22 pro stock and as much as the Blade V9 retail is a great racket, the pro stock 18x19 version is light years superior... It has everything , control, stability, feel, quick handling (even with low specs)! I own a pair of them and they are my official rackets at the moment (after a year using H22 pro stock).

It depends on which underlying racket you have though - I think a ProStock kBlade in a slightly more open pattern is what you are referring to
Might have to get one or two of those then, too :)
 

eric42

Semi-Pro
It depends on which underlying racket you have though - I think a ProStock kBlade in a slightly more open pattern is what you are referring to
Might have to get one or two of those then, too :)
It doesn't seem there is an underlying "racquet" to pro stock Blades. Sure there is an underlying mold, but that seems to be where it ends. All the Blade molds are virtually identical, and pro stock Blades seem to have their own layup and feel and not simply exact remakes of some old V-whatever Blade painted in new cosmetics. I've played with all the Blades from V1 thru V9 except for V8, and none of them feel exactly like the pro stocks I have.

The pro stock 18x19 version is the most fantastic racket I've ever used, far superior to the H19 or H22 pro stock and as much as the Blade V9 retail is a great racket, the pro stock 18x19 version is light years superior... It has everything , control, stability, feel, quick handling (even with low specs)! I own a pair of them and they are my official rackets at the moment (after a year using H22 pro stock).
I'm a huge fan of pro stock Blades, but of course it's worth noting that Blade, H19, and H22 are all completely different racquets, the H22 being especially different from the Blade in the feel of the flex and dampening. H22 feels much stiffer with little dampening, and has more pop (Blade pro feels about the same). Old school raw and precise feel. Great feel, just very different from the plush damped dense feel of especially the pro stock Blades.
 
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