Wilson Pro Labs: Ultra Pro (16x19) Official Thread

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
Yes, I think my problem with the BP 16x19 is that it is too evenly balanced. I am coming from a Volkl PB mid 10 which is very headlight. When I make the BP more headlight, it becomes unwieldy for me. I struggle to serve, and keep balls in. The UP just needs a tad bit of weight for some stability, but it is so plush. I loved my PB mid 10, but 93 sq inches wasn't cutting it anymore. This is as surgical as that, but with a bigger sweet spot, more stability, and I can defend against high level players with it. I played a 6.0 player the other day. Got smoked, but the racquet held its own
But see if you go sharing how it held its own against a 6.0, you're gonna crowd the boulevard:-D Shhhhhh;) Btw, I was a long-time Volkl user as well. Hit the PB 10 Mid's little cousin, the BB London. Not really in the same league, but definitely the same family. Also like the V1 Pros. Maybe there's a pattern here.
 

Dishiki

Rookie
Yeah, I hit the C1 Pros. I like a flexible, headlight racquet. I am primarily a doubles player. I need great placement and great volleys. Can I hit harder with the BP, sure. But hitting hard against 4.5 doubles players isn't winning me points. Setting up shots, and getting the easy volley is what does it.
 

zipplock

Hall of Fame
Agreed. I have both the UP 16x19 and the BP 16x19. Zip, I did a full bed of cream in both. With the UP it is fantastic. The BP was horrible with it. I am going to try Cyclone/Gosen in the BP, but I can't get a setup I love with it. Even though the sweet spot is bigger, the racquet is less precise than the UP. Additionally, I cannot serve as well with the BP.

The UP is a keeper. I have settled on 4gs at 3 and 9. That's it. I think it is at 334g, and it is perfect for me. The BP, I have tried tons of different setups, and still can't get it right.
UP16 with full bed Cream is the MOST PLUSH feeling of any racquet I have ever had.
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
Yeah, I hit the C1 Pros. I like a flexible, headlight racquet. I am primarily a doubles player. I need great placement and great volleys. Can I hit harder with the BP, sure. But hitting hard against 4.5 doubles players isn't winning me points. Setting up shots, and getting the easy volley is what does it.
Yeah, hit that one, too, for awhile. And that is the recipe for this frame. The V7 Blade 18x20 has this in its DNA as well but specializes in hitting a linear, heavier ball, and the Gravity Tour is also akin, but more forgiving. Neither of those two, however, give me the ball quality and/or confidence of the UP 16x19. To me, the closest comparison is to the Head Prestige Pros I've hit, but @zipplock can speak to that more. The UP is just quality.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
I'm shocked how many folks talk about PT57 this and Pro Stock that, yet this frame seems to get the least love of all the Pro Labs frames. This frame is amazing. It requires modifications and doesn't give free power. I think most people SAY they want this type of frame, but really just want a racquet that will do the work for them. Personally I'm soooo happy this was released. It cured my racquetaholism.
UP is finally starting to feel much better with the tension continuing to drop in my current string job. I still prefer the Touch Prestige Pro more, but the UP is getting a lot closer now that I feel comfortable saying the UP is a very good frame.
 

Addxyz

Professional
UP is finally starting to feel much better with the tension continuing to drop in my current string job. I still prefer the Touch Prestige Pro more, but the UP is getting a lot closer now that I feel comfortable saying the UP is a very good frame.
Lol... not a stupid frame anymore? :)
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
Nothing wrong with liking the up. Its one of the best player frames out there.

and yes the bp is really best for players who like high sws and closer to even balance. Its not a traditional weighted frame. I personally love my frames like that but its not for everyone.
 

alpinenut

New User
This thread is killing me. I really want to demo this frame. Does anyone know when Wilson will restock? Is there anywhere in the US to get them right now? I'm thinking an OG (8g) and 7g total around 10 and 2.
Should get me to:
320 unstrung/340g strung with Dampener - Static
315 balance
335ish SW
 

snoflewis

Hall of Fame
additional data points for new L2s with plastic on handle. SW measured on a babolat RDC. bought seven to keep two. most likely will keep #2&3

#Racket Weight (g)Balance (cm)Pts HL SW
1​
Ultra Pro 16
305.3​
30.4​
12.3​
277​
2​
Ultra Pro 16
303.7​
31.0​
10.4​
284​
3​
Ultra Pro 16
303.6​
30.9​
10.7​
286​
4​
Ultra Pro 16
305.9​
30.5​
11.9​
276​
5​
Ultra Pro 16
306.1​
30.6​
11.6​
282​
6​
Ultra Pro 16
306.7​
30.3​
12.6​
278​
7​
Ultra Pro 16
307.5​
31.0​
10.4​
290​
 

zipplock

Hall of Fame
additional data points for new L2s with plastic on handle. SW measured on a babolat RDC. bought seven to keep two. most likely will keep #2&3

#RacketWeight (g)Balance (cm)Pts HLSW
1​
Ultra Pro 16
305.3​
30.4​
12.3​
277​
2​
Ultra Pro 16
303.7​
31.0​
10.4​
284​
3​
Ultra Pro 16
303.6​
30.9​
10.7​
286​
4​
Ultra Pro 16
305.9​
30.5​
11.9​
276​
5​
Ultra Pro 16
306.1​
30.6​
11.6​
282​
6​
Ultra Pro 16
306.7​
30.3​
12.6​
278​
7​
Ultra Pro 16
307.5​
31.0​
10.4​
290​
1 and 4 are also virtually perfectly matched as well. You have a lot of options :)
 

jason n

Rookie
additional data points for new L2s with plastic on handle. SW measured on a babolat RDC. bought seven to keep two. most likely will keep #2&3

#RacketWeight (g)Balance (cm)Pts HLSW
1​
Ultra Pro 16
305.3​
30.4​
12.3​
277​
2​
Ultra Pro 16
303.7​
31.0​
10.4​
284​
3​
Ultra Pro 16
303.6​
30.9​
10.7​
286​
4​
Ultra Pro 16
305.9​
30.5​
11.9​
276​
5​
Ultra Pro 16
306.1​
30.6​
11.6​
282​
6​
Ultra Pro 16
306.7​
30.3​
12.6​
278​
7​
Ultra Pro 16
307.5​
31.0​
10.4​
290​
Did you measure the RA?
 

bluebonsai

New User
Tried a totally different setup and surprisingly really liking it: leather grip and 5g spanning 10 to 2 (essentially where the blue paint is). With strings and overgrip comes out to 340g ~32cm balance. Lacks a little in torsional stability but the plow is great and it's really maneuverable. Anyone try something similar?
 
Tried a totally different setup and surprisingly really liking it: leather grip and 5g spanning 10 to 2 (essentially where the blue paint is). With strings and overgrip comes out to 340g ~32cm balance. Lacks a little in torsional stability but the plow is great and it's really maneuverable. Anyone try something similar?
Yes pretty much same as mine. Lead under the entire grommet but mine is counter balanced with silicone. Initially I had lead at 3 and 9 but removed it for extra whippieness. I have not noticed any decrease in stabity or plow after removing the lead. But that seems logical because the lead at the top comes down to the sides as well. Not as much as 3 and 9 but still enough to make it pretty stable.

Edit: I just saw this is the UP thread. I have a UT but they are pretty similar I believe.
 
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jason n

Rookie
Yes pretty much same as mine. Lead under the entire grommet but mine is counter balanced with silicone. Initially I had lead at 3 and 9 but removed it for extra whippieness. I have not noticed any decrease in stabity or plow after removing the lead. But that seems logical because the lead at the top comes down to the sides as well. Not as much as 3 and 9 but still enough to make it pretty stable.
Did you notice a difference in feel with silicone and without?
 

zipplock

Hall of Fame
I didn't have to add a bunch of weight to the handle on mine so I just used tungsten putty under the butt cap, but I did silicone my previous racquets and the answer is yes, silicone will change the feel. Depending on how much you use, you will notice a more muted sound and a more solid feel in the grip.
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
Tried a totally different setup and surprisingly really liking it: leather grip and 5g spanning 10 to 2 (essentially where the blue paint is). With strings and overgrip comes out to 340g ~32cm balance. Lacks a little in torsional stability but the plow is great and it's really maneuverable. Anyone try something similar?
I have 4g total at 2:30/9:30 (about 1" into the blue) and 1g at 12. Currently have 3g countered at the top of the grip, but might try to move that to the top of the butt cap and/or under the trap door. Will try both. I don't find stability to suffer at all with no lead at 3/9. For whatever reason, I start losing maneuverability when I lead it there. It's naturally depolarized, so tip weight enhances this one, imo.
 

topspn

Legend
I have 4g total at 2:30/9:30 (about 1" into the blue) and 1g at 12. Currently have 3g countered at the top of the grip, but might try to move that to the top of the butt cap and/or under the trap door. Will try both. I don't find stability to suffer at all with no lead at 3/9. For whatever reason, I start losing maneuverability when I lead it there. It's naturally depolarized, so tip weight enhances this one, imo.
So you are settled on UP 16M i gather? Only has 6 mains in the throat but perhaps still a controlled center of stringed.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
So you are settled on UP 16M i gather? Only has 6 mains in the throat but perhaps still a controlled center of stringed.
The UP16 has the same string spacing as the Head Prestige Pros even though the PP has 8 mains and the UP has 6 mains in the throat.
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
So you are settled on UP 16M i gather? Only has 6 mains in the throat but perhaps still a controlled center of stringed.
To simplify, yes, I'm settled on the UP 16x19. The string bed is very controlled. Launch angle is subtle. In the sweet spot and over the ball, it's a scalpel. Forgiveness-wise and on defense, I'm preferring the Gravity Tour, I must admit. And I'm not losing much ball quality. Pro lab frames make you work when you want to play.
 

taylor15

Professional
The UP16 has the same string spacing as the Head Prestige Pros even though the PP has 8 mains and the UP has 6 mains in the throat.
That can't be, 8 mains in throat is controlled and 6 mains is balls flailing into lines people and kids 3 courts over. We all know this.
 

zipplock

Hall of Fame
Just replaced the bumper guard on one of mine. Anyone else notice the plastic is rather soft and wears faster? I ordered 4 more sets (that makes 8 total).
Anyways, cleaned and replaced lead (2 grams at 12 o'clock, 1 gram each at 10 and 2). Fresh strings and OG. Like a brand new racquet :)
 

jason n

Rookie
Just replaced the bumper guard on one of mine. Anyone else notice the plastic is rather soft and wears faster? I ordered 4 more sets (that makes 8 total).
Anyways, cleaned and replaced lead (2 grams at 12 o'clock, 1 gram each at 10 and 2). Fresh strings and OG. Like a brand new racquet :)
Yea the bumper does scratch way to easy, I thought it was me just being over sensitive about it.
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
Just replaced the bumper guard on one of mine. Anyone else notice the plastic is rather soft and wears faster? I ordered 4 more sets (that makes 8 total).
Anyways, cleaned and replaced lead (2 grams at 12 o'clock, 1 gram each at 10 and 2). Fresh strings and OG. Like a brand new racquet :)
Yea the bumper does scratch way to easy, I thought it was me just being over sensitive about it.
I thought my three extra sets of grommets was overkill, but looks like I may have underestimated. I'm still babying my frames at this point, but any contact with the court or other frames, etc., does show up easily. It's just plastic/paint, though, and it really is just a great all-around frame; good blend of everything. I do wish it had a slightly flexier feel, but I suspect it's paradoxical buttery firmness is what gives it its trademark stability and helps it hit such a quality ball.
 
Just a reminder that this racquet is AMAZEBALLS!!!!
Don't get me hyped up. I'm trying to sell my UP18 but I'm not having any success yet. When I do, I'm planning on getting another racket in. Still don't know which one to go for though. Contemplating between these:

-Angell TC95 16x19 63RA
-Yonex SV VCORE 95
-Yonex VCORE DuelG 97 310
-Yonex VCORE Pro 97 310 (the newest, green one)
-Wilson Ultra Pro 16x19

The UP16 is really itching though...
 

zipplock

Hall of Fame
Don't get me hyped up. I'm trying to sell my UP18 but I'm not having any success yet. When I do, I'm planning on getting another racket in. Still don't know which one to go for though. Contemplating between these:

-Angell TC95 16x19 63RA
-Yonex SV VCORE 95
-Yonex VCORE DuelG 97 310
-Yonex VCORE Pro 97 310 (the newest, green one)
-Wilson Ultra Pro 16x19

The UP16 is really itching though...
I have no experience with Angell. I did not like the VCP97. Didn't try the DG97 but the VCP97 310 is a great racquet. I played with them for some time. The UP16 will give you everything the VCP97 310 gives you PLUS a firmer upper hoop (for me this was the tipping point). Can't go wrong with any of your choices though.
 
I have no experience with Angell. I did not like the VCP97. Didn't try the DG97 but the VCP97 310 is a great racquet. I played with them for some time. The UP16 will give you everything the VCP97 310 gives you PLUS a firmer upper hoop (for me this was the tipping point). Can't go wrong with any of your choices though.
Yeah the Ultra Pro just got that magic. It's such a beautiful frame to play with. The only thing that would improve the 18x20 string pattern for me, would be a 16x19 pattern. How convenient that there is one now ;)
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
Don't get me hyped up. I'm trying to sell my UP18 but I'm not having any success yet. When I do, I'm planning on getting another racket in. Still don't know which one to go for though. Contemplating between these:

-Angell TC95 16x19 63RA
-Yonex SV VCORE 95
-Yonex VCORE DuelG 97 310
-Yonex VCORE Pro 97 310 (the newest, green one)
-Wilson Ultra Pro 16x19

The UP16 is really itching though...
It just occurred to me the other day which racquet the UP 16x19 reminds me of the most: DuelG 97 310, except the latter was a little thinner and firmer (but did have that awesome 16x20). Very similar response, but the UP 16x19 wins on comfort, power, and stability. So I would go UP 16x19 between those two. Between UP 16x19 and Angell TC95 ... whew, good luck! Tough choice there. The UP 16x19 is more forgiving and stable, but the TC95 is just an experience all its own. Let price and availability be your guide on that choice.
 
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Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
Just a reminder that this racquet is AMAZEBALLS!!!!
In guitar terms, it's like that Ibanez Prestige that just shouldn't play as good as it does and have that kind of tone, considering how thin and light it is. I'd also load up the Ibanez with lead:-D
 

zipplock

Hall of Fame
In guitar terms, it's like that Ibanez Prestige that just shouldn't play as good as it does and have that kind of tone, considering how thin and light it is. I'd also load up the Ibanez with lead:-D
Hilarious!!!!!! BTW, eyeballing the RG565 re-issue in that beautiful aquamarine color ......
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
Hilarious!!!!!! BTW, eyeballing the RG565 re-issue in that beautiful aquamarine color ......
Made me look! Is that a single coil in the neck? I see now it's a humbucker. Looks like the hot rails in my kid's tele. Oh man, I wish I hadn't brought up guitars ...
 
It just occurred to me the other day which racquet the UP 16x19 reminds me of the most: DuelG 97 310, except the latter was a little thinner and firmer (but did have that awesome 16x20). Very similar response, but the UP 16x19 wins on comfort, power, and stability. So I would go UP 16x19 between those two. Between UP 16x19 and Angell TC95 ... whew, good luck! Tough choice there. The UP 16x19 is more forgiving and stable, but the TC95 is just an experience all its own. Let price and availability be your guide on that choice.
Thanks for your take on it. I could get a DuelG 97 310 pretty cheap I saw. The TC95 would probably be double the price and I would have to find a used UP16 since I'm in Europe. Would also be expensive. Indeed it will have to depend on price and availability.
 

zipplock

Hall of Fame
Made me look! Is that a single coil in the neck? I see now it's a humbucker. Looks like the hot rails in my kid's tele. Oh man, I wish I hadn't brought up guitars ...
I'd swap the dual rail single for a true single in the neck position. Damn it's sexy.
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
I'd swap the dual rail single for a true single in the neck position. Damn it's sexy.
I agree. Love the look, and the warm chime you get with it doesn't hurt. Btw, that Touch Prestige Pro in your signature ... what do you like better about the UP 16x19? I'm really fighting the urge to try out the Prestige.
 

zipplock

Hall of Fame
I agree. Love the look, and the warm chime you get with it doesn't hurt. Btw, that Touch Prestige Pro in your signature ... what do you like better about the UP 16x19? I'm really fighting the urge to try out the Prestige.
Haven't changed my sign. The GTPP is an awesome racquet. I still have my matched pair. However, the UP16 is a better version of it. More uniform flex, slightly larger headsize, etc. It's just a better Prestige Pro.
 

Dishiki

Rookie
You guys still hitting with it? For the past 3 weeks I have been hitting the the BP 16 and BP 18.

I need to bust this back out. My BPs are at 339g with a leather grip and 4gs at 10 and 2. 10 and 2 was much better than 3 and 9 for those.

I still have Cream in my UP but thinking about trying something different. My BPs have Hyper G/Vanquish and it has been a great combo.
 

zipplock

Hall of Fame
You guys still hitting with it? For the past 3 weeks I have been hitting the the BP 16 and BP 18.

I need to bust this back out. My BPs are at 339g with a leather grip and 4gs at 10 and 2. 10 and 2 was much better than 3 and 9 for those.

I still have Cream in my UP but thinking about trying something different. My BPs have Hyper G/Vanquish and it has been a great combo.
Yes. UP16 is my racquet. Not playing others.
 
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