Adam Dixon
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Some pics of the new Ultra PJ. Coric In Germany.
I tried playing a 4.5 match again with the UP 16 19. My return of serve was a disaster. I went back to a UT 18 20 with a string I didn't love mid match. This 16 19 racquet feels flimsy to me. I know I need to string tighter so I think that will help. I will try adding a leather grip too which will add some weight and stability.
But I may be giving up on this thing eventually if I can't get it to translate to matches and return of serve.
Good point. Just checked on a cheap food scale. the UP 16 19 is 335.1 grams with weight, overgrip, damper. my UT 18 20 with weight, overgrip, and damper is 334.9 grams. I actually thought the 16 19 would be lighter since it doesn't have as much string, but maybe I put less of the weight in the head when I tried to match the racquets. I don't have a balance board.Do you know the specs of both frames, or are you just going by feel?
Good point. Just checked on a cheap food scale. the UP 16 19 is 335.1 grams with weight, overgrip, damper. my UT 18 20 with weight, overgrip, and damper is 334.9 grams. I actually thought the 16 19 would be lighter since it doesn't have as much string, but maybe I put less of the weight in the head when I tried to match the racquets. I don't have a balance board.
what is briffidi?Static looks great. I would get a balance board and briffidi, if you’ve got some extra cash to spare. You can match the swingweight and twistweight as close as possible with the briffidi. Good luck!
It’s a device to measure swingweight. Look up Briffidi SW1.what is briffidi?
That's really cool. I'm not a racquet tech and don't have an iphone so I think that one is a no from me. It's cray to me that balance boards are like $50 though. Should be like $20 tops.It’s a device to measure swingweight. Look up Briffidi SW1.
Yeah, pretty wild. I confess I have paid for one, but it’s something you could also make with a dowel, a board, and a ruler haha.That's really cool. I'm not a racquet tech and don't have an iphone so I think that one is a no from me. It's cray to me that balance boards are like $50 though. Should be like $20 tops.
what i did yesterday with two UTs that were unstrung was put them on an edge of table and then when i finally got it from falling over, i noted where on the wilson lettering they stopped falling over atYeah, pretty wild. I confess I have paid for one, but it’s something you could also make with a dowel, a board, and a ruler haha.
Where?I found an image of Ultra v4 color. It's very cool.
more on my journey.... if this is annoying lmk. so i decided to give the beaten up UT 18 20 with the original main strings from the auction seller a go in doubles and actually played better doubles in the next two 4.5 doubles matches. more control on the returns, better volleying than with the UP 16 19 I have but that could be the loose strings. so despite that the racquet looked like it went through a lawn mower with a second set of crosses in it, plus a bit of string hanging out the side that i couldn't get out since it was pushed with a main hole, I stuck with it. the mains finally broke this week so I went with my long-time prince graphite.
could be the fresh strings, could be that old habits die hard, but damn if i wasn't serving and forehand-ing great with that weight. i definitely did not slice as well with the weighted POG as with the UT 18 20, and I'm guessing I don't volley or hit flat backhands as well, but now I'm wondering if the UP 16 19 can be "the bridge" between the two. It makes me wish Prince would make an 18 20 or 16 20 of the POG.
so where am i between the three? no clue but at least the UT 18 20s were all very cheap secondhand.
-i was starting to wonder if there was ANY excitement on this w.ultra.V4 release??
-ive seen it, and held it, but no chance to hit with it, yet
-rep said the frequency response (wilsons RA rating system) is much less than previous versions
-also looks like some work was done on the throat of the racket
-looks like wilson decided to go SIMPLISTIC and DARK this year!!
-color is DARK, top is all flat black!, rest of it is navy blue with shimering flakes
-the wilson writing on one of the sides is also in dark skinny big letters
-no 18/20, no 95"
-the bag looks like a guys color though!, dark blue with come shimmer
-very similar to THE OLD BLX blue bag/s of the past (2012 i think), but with black or blue zipperz, and dark letters
-very squarish shape to it, similar to the ones for the other lines, but in DARK BLUE color
if it's anything like V3 rather than V2, which are not alike whatsoever imo, no interest from my end.-i was starting to wonder if there was ANY excitement on this w.ultra.V4 release??
-ive seen it, and held it, but no chance to hit with it, yet
-rep said the frequency response (wilsons RA rating system) is much less than previous versions
-also looks like some work was done on the throat of the racket
-looks like wilson decided to go SIMPLISTIC and DARK this year!!
-color is DARK, top is all flat black!, rest of it is navy blue with shimering flakes
-the wilson writing on one of the sides is also in dark skinny big letters
-no 18/20, no 95"
-the bag looks like a guys color though!, dark blue with come shimmer
-very similar to THE OLD BLX blue bag/s of the past (2012 i think), but with black or blue zipperz, and dark letters
-very squarish shape to it, similar to the ones for the other lines, but in DARK BLUE color
I will say the 95 v3 still made it to Japan/Australia when it didn't make it to EU/US so I assume the 95 might get another PJ in Asia just for Nishikori etc...-i was starting to wonder if there was ANY excitement on this w.ultra.V4 release??
-ive seen it, and held it, but no chance to hit with it, yet
-rep said the frequency response (wilsons RA rating system) is much less than previous versions
-also looks like some work was done on the throat of the racket
-looks like wilson decided to go SIMPLISTIC and DARK this year!!
-color is DARK, top is all flat black!, rest of it is navy blue with shimering flakes
-the wilson writing on one of the sides is also in dark skinny big letters
-no 18/20, no 95"
-the bag looks like a guys color though!, dark blue with come shimmer
-very similar to THE OLD BLX blue bag/s of the past (2012 i think), but with black or blue zipperz, and dark letters
-very squarish shape to it, similar to the ones for the other lines, but in DARK BLUE color
are there any details of the 95 v3 online? ive never heard of this. isn't the 95 that nishikori uses a completely different racquet?I will say the 95 v3 still made it to Japan/Australia when it didn't make it to EU/US so I assume the 95 might get another PJ in Asia just for Nishikori etc...
are there any details of the 95 v3 online? ive never heard of this. isn't the 95 that nishikori uses a completely different racquet?
which ultra was rublev using when he was with wilson? seems like he started having some better results after his switch to head, though obviously not just because of the racquet
I believe its just a paint update of the last Ultra 95 (still has countervail/is very stiff etc...) and yes Nishikori uses the old nTourare there any details of the 95 v3 online? ive never heard of this. isn't the 95 that nishikori uses a completely different racquet?
which ultra was rublev using when he was with wilson? seems like he started having some better results after his switch to head, though obviously not just because of the racquet
so strange to me to have a racquet in the same line that has the "PWS bumps" at 3 & 9 in some of the line but not others in the lineI believe its just a paint update of the last Ultra 95 (still has countervail/is very stiff etc...) and yes Nishikori uses the old nTour
https://www.tennisonly.com.au/Wilson_Ultra_Tour_95_v3_Racquet/descpage-WUL95P.html
-yeah i think so, sadlySo are we just going to see 100 inch and larger head sizes for the main release? Pro remains sold by Wilson direct only, right?
-yeah i think so, sadly
-100/+ only, it seems
-ULTRAS fill a "racquet range" that the PS and/or blades dont occupy, so it is for the 100"/stiffer frame users
-thats interesting!!I will say the 95 v3 still made it to Japan/Australia when it didn't make it to EU/US so I assume the 95 might get another PJ in Asia just for Nishikori etc...
Racquet looks nice from what we've seen from Coric's paintjob - looks to have a teal/purple color shift like the Blade's green/copper
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-thats interesting!!
-i did ask about a 95", but REP said No!!
-maybe he did not know or maybe he did not know about racquets outside of US market, and hence i did not push further
Can you confirm they will only release the ultra pro in 16x19? Thanks-i was starting to wonder if there was ANY excitement on this w.ultra.V4 release??
-ive seen it, and held it, but no chance to hit with it, yet
-rep said the frequency response (wilsons RA rating system) is much less than previous versions
-also looks like some work was done on the throat of the racket
-looks like wilson decided to go SIMPLISTIC and DARK this year!!
-color is DARK, top is all flat black!, rest of it is navy blue with shimering flakes
-the wilson writing on one of the sides is also in dark skinny big letters
-no 18/20, no 95"
-the bag looks like a guys color though!, dark blue with come shimmer
-very similar to THE OLD BLX blue bag/s of the past (2012 i think), but with black or blue zipperz, and dark letters
-very squarish shape to it, similar to the ones for the other lines, but in DARK BLUE color
Can you confirm they will only release the ultra pro in 16x19? Thanks
I almost ordered 16x19 grommets just to see if I would get some 18x20 grommets instead. May still do it for kicksHas anyone recently ordered the 16x19 grommets for the Ultra Pro and recieved the correct grommets? I am hesitant to order again since I was one of the people that ordered the 16x19 and recieved the 18x20 in the 16x19 packaging. Wilson was very helpful with free return shipping but it was still a pain in the butt.
If you do please share the results. This dude is about to move on from Wilson and never look back.I almost ordered 16x19 grommets just to see if I would get some 18x20 grommets instead. May still do it for kicks
I almost ordered 16x19 grommets just to see if I would get some 18x20 grommets instead. May still do it for kicks
What would you move to? Prestige pro?If you do please share the results. This dude is about to move on from Wilson and never look back.
The new Pronce Tour 98 is on my short list. I just demoed the VCORE 98, Speed MP, and for fun the Extreme 360+ MP. I honestly enjoyed playing with the Extreme the most. The big sweet spot, spin, and power just made it so easy to play with but I fear it's stiffness over the long run. I have throughly enjoyed my adventures with the Ultra Pro 16x19 as I bought it on a whim last summer and eventually bought two more but as I have played a ton of tennis this summer I am on the search for something to make things simpler.What would you move to? Prestige pro?
I decided to move on from my UP16s in part because how stupidly difficult it is logistically with Wilson. I know they're back in stock now but for the longest time no L3s, no grommets, and impossible to match unless you order extras. If you or @taylor15 are interested, I think I may have a couple of grommet sets for the 16. But I never bothered to check if they were actually 16 and not 18, so I'd have to confirm haha.If you do please share the results. This dude is about to move on from Wilson and never look back.
What did you switch to?!I decided to move on from my UP16s in part because how stupidly difficult it is logistically with Wilson. I know they're back in stock now but for the longest time no L3s, no grommets, and impossible to match unless you order extras. If you or @taylor15 are interested, I think I may have a couple of grommet sets for the 16. But I never bothered to check if they were actually 16 and not 18, so I'd have to confirm haha.
Same I moved to Yonex. I don't even have time to play as much as I want..certainly don't have time to be messing around matching sticks ffs.I decided to move on from my UP16s in part because how stupidly difficult it is logistically with Wilson. I know they're back in stock now but for the longest time no L3s, no grommets, and impossible to match unless you order extras. If you or @taylor15 are interested, I think I may have a couple of grommet sets for the 16. But I never bothered to check if they were actually 16 and not 18, so I'd have to confirm haha.
Which model?Same I moved to Yonex. I don't even have time to play as much as I want..certainly don't have time to be messing around matching sticks ffs.
I've sold out of my UP16s, but if I could get black grommets I would have a beat up UT blacked out. I would only do it with black grommets. Most of the reason I am playing the MPL is b/c the UP needed grommets and I was only able to get them b/c of a member here who was gracious enough to help me source some. Once I found the right setup I really like the frame, and it helped me get past a wrist injury playing it with guy/poly. The hardest part is Wilson's "2 weeks" every time I asked about grommets. That went on for 4 months or so, and I just listed them and moved on. I have 4 MPLs and still have 6 sets of grommets, so should be set for a while - though grommets for them aren't easy either right now.I decided to move on from my UP16s in part because how stupidly difficult it is logistically with Wilson. I know they're back in stock now but for the longest time no L3s, no grommets, and impossible to match unless you order extras. If you or @taylor15 are interested, I think I may have a couple of grommet sets for the 16. But I never bothered to check if they were actually 16 and not 18, so I'd have to confirm haha.
I was playing with the 93P and then planned on switching to the UP16 but found sourcing them so frustrating that I decided to go back to the 93P. But the reason I wanted to go UP from 93P in the first place was for a little additional forgiveness. I can play my best tennis with the 93P and PT 2.0 when I'm sharp and rested and practiced, but I've been dabbling with the VC95, GPro, PAVS, and the Extreme Tour for that additional forgiveness I'm seeking especially in competitive contexts. I've almost 100% settled on the Extreme Tour but I think the 93P still works best as long as I'm grooving. I wish it were a tad less soft. I know they're all very different sticks! I was hoping one of the current Prestiges would have the playability/ease of the ET with the feel of the PT 2.0.What did you switch to?!
Same I moved to Yonex. I don't even have time to play as much as I want..certainly don't have time to be messing around matching sticks ffs.
Which model?
I have one Ultra Pro 16M, think it is the right racquet for me, but the ire of wilson and everything eveyone has mentioned is making me feel the same.
So just curious what others are going to
Have you tried the 97P?I was playing with the 93P and then planned on switching to the UP16 but found sourcing them so frustrating that I decided to go back to the 93P. But the reason I wanted to go UP from 93P in the first place was for a little additional forgiveness. I can play my best tennis with the 93P and PT 2.0 when I'm sharp and rested and practiced, but I've been dabbling with the VC95, GPro, PAVS, and the Extreme Tour for that additional forgiveness I'm seeking especially in competitive contexts. I've almost 100% settled on the Extreme Tour but I think the 93P still works best as long as I'm grooving. I wish it were a tad less soft. I know they're all very different sticks! I was hoping one of the current Prestiges would have the playability/ease of the ET with the feel of the PT 2.0.
Curious as to which Yonex as well. I like the VC95 2021 but right now the ET is just so easy. Only problem is it hurts my elbow a bit if I play too many days in a row, which is not an issue with the UP, 93P or VC95. I also bought a 97D but I'm not in love with it.
Same. That last one is the real kicker; I had my UPs rlly closely matched but even then it took me a literal month to match em & get em to hit halfway right. Their QC is disgusting, but what pisses me off even more is how their QC is literally perfect on their custom frames; their stupid custom paint & eco frames you pay $350+ for come dead on spec but they can’t be arsed to get their rackets even in the specs ballpark on anything else, not even their Pro Labs stuff. They’re a joke.I decided to move on from my UP16s in part because how stupidly difficult it is logistically with Wilson. I know they're back in stock now but for the longest time no L3s, no grommets, and impossible to match unless you order extras. If you or @taylor15 are interested, I think I may have a couple of grommet sets for the 16. But I never bothered to check if they were actually 16 and not 18, so I'd have to confirm haha.
Shame they stick this VDM in evth….I’m not even much of a feel player & testing other stuff made me realize how muted the EFS’s I’ve been using are but VDM is next lvl. Still think I’ll try an EZ98 ‘22 if push comes to shoveSame I moved to Yonex. I don't even have time to play as much as I want..certainly don't have time to be messing around matching sticks ffs.
Hey All - I have been playing with Ultra Pro v3 18x20 for a while now. (Switching from RF97). Modified UP has ~340 static weight, not sure about swing weight, but i did put 2g lead on 12, and ~4g total on 3/9. Racket is stable, enough power, feels amazing (as compared to RF97) but trajectory is pretty low. A lot of my forehand shots are either clipping the tape or are into the net. Strings i use are, Tour Bite 19g @ 46 in mains, Lux Gut 17g @ 48 in cross. Couple of questions to the group:
1. Does switching Gut to main and Poly to cross would help with launch angle?
2. Should i add a bit more lead to 12 (and perhaps reduce lead in 3/9) to help with launch angle?
3. Does switching to Ultra Pro 16x19 makes better sense. How is 16x19 pattern in UP compared to RF97. I know Blade Pro has tighter 16x19, but not sure if i can handle the high swing weight.
4. Has anyone switched to / from UP 18x20 to Gravity Pro 18x20 / VCore 95 16x20. If so, any thoughts on how these two compare with UP 18x20
Any inputs would be welcome.
I feel like you and I may have discussed this somewhere else in this thread, but I felt the same way. The 18x20 just seems to hit a better ball, and I don’t feel like I’m losing much/any spin with it.I fid that the UP 16x19 has a higher launch angle, but seems to make the ball bounce higher off the court, but not through the court. Therefore, I found the UP 16x19 to mean that I need to grind more, my opponents get to more balls and make me play more.
I feel like you and I may have discussed this somewhere else in this thread, but I felt the same way. The 18x20 just seems to hit a better ball, and I don’t feel like I’m losing much/any spin with it.
It’s what I call the Andy Murray effect…balls that would be unreturnable/winners w/ 99% of other sticks are rally balls w/ UP16. They feel so nice on contact but they have no sting.Yeah. I also think they produce two different types of spin. The UT/UP 18x20 produces through-the-court spin (it can do all kinds, but when you go for it... it shoots through)... whereas the UP16M produces a higher bounce and launch angle, but the ball sits up, doesn't shoot through and seems to give the opponent more time to get to it and hit it back. This leads to longer rallies and more running.
It’s what I call the Andy Murray effect…balls that would be unreturnable/winners w/ 99% of other sticks are rally balls w/ UP16. They feel so nice on contact but they have no sting.
Esp if you play 16m <340SW rackets. BP/H22’s are better IMO if you’re gonna lead a UP/H19 to sledgehammer specs anyway, lead can only do so much to replace missing graphiteAbsolutely... a pure joy to hit with, but not as effective as other racquets.
Having seen Andy Murray hit balls live... the dude is a beast, and his shots had serious pace. Watched him play against Goffin... and he was terrorising the poor Belgian. He would just hit really solid rally 2HBHs... then just lean into the third or fourth BH and just maul Goffin.
Esp if you play 16m <340SW rackets. BP/H22’s are better IMO if you’re gonna lead a UP/H19 to sledgehammer specs anyway, lead can only do so much to replace missing graphite
Yeah it’s always diff watching pros or other high lvl players in person. Even on TV (esp w/ court lvl camera angle) you can tell Murray’s BH is lethal. It’s just that he chooses to passively rally in some situations where many other players would try to end the point. Thing is w/ the UP16 I basically had to play that style of tennis every point. Tbf in one way it was a good thing bc it forced me to be patient & work the point (I have a tendency to be inpatient sometimes) but the on switch was nonexistent & I had ZERO chance against players that were even a little better than me.
You know, it’s almost as if Wilson knew what they were doing when they initially only released the 18x20 pattern.Yeah. I also think they produce two different types of spin. The UT/UP 18x20 produces through-the-court spin (it can do all kinds, but when you go for it... it shoots through)... whereas the UP16M produces a higher bounce and launch angle, but the ball sits up, doesn't shoot through and seems to give the opponent more time to get to it and hit it back. This leads to longer rallies and more running.