Wilson Pro Labs: Ultra Pro (16x19) Official Thread

aus89

Hall of Fame
Nice color by the looks - possibly blue to black color change - be cool if coric’s 100 prince style (or nishikori-esque ntour 95) prostock was added as a prolabs option
 

grungebob

Rookie
I tried playing a 4.5 match again with the UP 16 19. My return of serve was a disaster. I went back to a UT 18 20 with a string I didn't love mid match. This 16 19 racquet feels flimsy to me. I know I need to string tighter so I think that will help. I will try adding a leather grip too which will add some weight and stability.
But I may be giving up on this thing eventually if I can't get it to translate to matches and return of serve.
 

emaz8724

Rookie
I tried playing a 4.5 match again with the UP 16 19. My return of serve was a disaster. I went back to a UT 18 20 with a string I didn't love mid match. This 16 19 racquet feels flimsy to me. I know I need to string tighter so I think that will help. I will try adding a leather grip too which will add some weight and stability.
But I may be giving up on this thing eventually if I can't get it to translate to matches and return of serve.

Do you know the specs of both frames, or are you just going by feel?
 

grungebob

Rookie
Do you know the specs of both frames, or are you just going by feel?
Good point. Just checked on a cheap food scale. the UP 16 19 is 335.1 grams with weight, overgrip, damper. my UT 18 20 with weight, overgrip, and damper is 334.9 grams. I actually thought the 16 19 would be lighter since it doesn't have as much string, but maybe I put less of the weight in the head when I tried to match the racquets. I don't have a balance board.
 

emaz8724

Rookie
Good point. Just checked on a cheap food scale. the UP 16 19 is 335.1 grams with weight, overgrip, damper. my UT 18 20 with weight, overgrip, and damper is 334.9 grams. I actually thought the 16 19 would be lighter since it doesn't have as much string, but maybe I put less of the weight in the head when I tried to match the racquets. I don't have a balance board.

Static looks great. I would get a balance board and briffidi, if you’ve got some extra cash to spare. You can match the swingweight and twistweight as close as possible with the briffidi. Good luck!
 
That's really cool. I'm not a racquet tech and don't have an iphone so I think that one is a no from me. It's cray to me that balance boards are like $50 though. Should be like $20 tops.
Yeah, pretty wild. I confess I have paid for one, but it’s something you could also make with a dowel, a board, and a ruler haha.
 

grungebob

Rookie
more on my journey.... if this is annoying lmk. so i decided to give the beaten up UT 18 20 with the original main strings from the auction seller a go in doubles and actually played better doubles in the next two 4.5 doubles matches. more control on the returns, better volleying than with the UP 16 19 I have but that could be the loose strings. so despite that the racquet looked like it went through a lawn mower with a second set of crosses in it, plus a bit of string hanging out the side that i couldn't get out since it was pushed with a main hole, I stuck with it. the mains finally broke this week so I went with my long-time prince graphite.

could be the fresh strings, could be that old habits die hard, but damn if i wasn't serving and forehand-ing great with that weight. i definitely did not slice as well with the weighted POG as with the UT 18 20, and I'm guessing I don't volley or hit flat backhands as well, but now I'm wondering if the UP 16 19 can be "the bridge" between the two. It makes me wish Prince would make an 18 20 or 16 20 of the POG.

so where am i between the three? no clue but at least the UT 18 20s were all very cheap secondhand.

went through a slump of some of the worst tennis of my life. double faulted all over the place, then one day while playing with the UP 16 19 earlier this week during practice doubles, i broke the strings on a return. tension was probably in the mid-to-low 40s at that point with luxilon 4g. this heat wave is crazy and i hated how loose and unstable this racquet felt on the first go as i said in my earlier post, so i went up to 57 with two pieces of tier one black knight and wow what an improvement. way more serves going in and making way less mistakes. might go up to 60 on next go.
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
-i was starting to wonder if there was ANY excitement on this w.ultra.V4 release??
-ive seen it, and held it, but no chance to hit with it, yet
-rep said the frequency response (wilsons RA rating system) is much less than previous versions
-also looks like some work was done on the throat of the racket
-looks like wilson decided to go SIMPLISTIC and DARK this year!!
-color is DARK, top is all flat black!, rest of it is navy blue with shimering flakes
-the wilson writing on one of the sides is also in dark skinny big letters
-no 18/20, no 95"

-the bag looks like a guys color though!, dark blue with come shimmer
-very similar to THE OLD BLX blue bag/s of the past (2012 i think), but with black or blue zipperz, and dark letters
-very squarish shape to it, similar to the ones for the other lines, but in DARK BLUE color
 

emaz8724

Rookie
-i was starting to wonder if there was ANY excitement on this w.ultra.V4 release??
-ive seen it, and held it, but no chance to hit with it, yet
-rep said the frequency response (wilsons RA rating system) is much less than previous versions
-also looks like some work was done on the throat of the racket
-looks like wilson decided to go SIMPLISTIC and DARK this year!!
-color is DARK, top is all flat black!, rest of it is navy blue with shimering flakes
-the wilson writing on one of the sides is also in dark skinny big letters
-no 18/20, no 95"

-the bag looks like a guys color though!, dark blue with come shimmer
-very similar to THE OLD BLX blue bag/s of the past (2012 i think), but with black or blue zipperz, and dark letters
-very squarish shape to it, similar to the ones for the other lines, but in DARK BLUE color

So are we just going to see 100 inch and larger head sizes for the main release? Pro remains sold by Wilson direct only, right?
 

grungebob

Rookie
-i was starting to wonder if there was ANY excitement on this w.ultra.V4 release??
-ive seen it, and held it, but no chance to hit with it, yet
-rep said the frequency response (wilsons RA rating system) is much less than previous versions
-also looks like some work was done on the throat of the racket
-looks like wilson decided to go SIMPLISTIC and DARK this year!!
-color is DARK, top is all flat black!, rest of it is navy blue with shimering flakes
-the wilson writing on one of the sides is also in dark skinny big letters
-no 18/20, no 95"

-the bag looks like a guys color though!, dark blue with come shimmer
-very similar to THE OLD BLX blue bag/s of the past (2012 i think), but with black or blue zipperz, and dark letters
-very squarish shape to it, similar to the ones for the other lines, but in DARK BLUE color
if it's anything like V3 rather than V2, which are not alike whatsoever imo, no interest from my end.
 

aus89

Hall of Fame
-i was starting to wonder if there was ANY excitement on this w.ultra.V4 release??
-ive seen it, and held it, but no chance to hit with it, yet
-rep said the frequency response (wilsons RA rating system) is much less than previous versions
-also looks like some work was done on the throat of the racket
-looks like wilson decided to go SIMPLISTIC and DARK this year!!
-color is DARK, top is all flat black!, rest of it is navy blue with shimering flakes
-the wilson writing on one of the sides is also in dark skinny big letters
-no 18/20, no 95"

-the bag looks like a guys color though!, dark blue with come shimmer
-very similar to THE OLD BLX blue bag/s of the past (2012 i think), but with black or blue zipperz, and dark letters
-very squarish shape to it, similar to the ones for the other lines, but in DARK BLUE color
I will say the 95 v3 still made it to Japan/Australia when it didn't make it to EU/US so I assume the 95 might get another PJ in Asia just for Nishikori etc...
Racquet looks nice from what we've seen from Coric's paintjob - looks to have a teal/purple color shift like the Blade's green/copper
july-2022-hamburg-tennis-atp-tour-singles-men-quarterfinals-molcan-picture-id1242054082
 

grungebob

Rookie
I will say the 95 v3 still made it to Japan/Australia when it didn't make it to EU/US so I assume the 95 might get another PJ in Asia just for Nishikori etc...
are there any details of the 95 v3 online? ive never heard of this. isn't the 95 that nishikori uses a completely different racquet?

which ultra was rublev using when he was with wilson? seems like he started having some better results after his switch to head, though obviously not just because of the racquet
 

am1899

Legend
are there any details of the 95 v3 online? ive never heard of this. isn't the 95 that nishikori uses a completely different racquet?

which ultra was rublev using when he was with wilson? seems like he started having some better results after his switch to head, though obviously not just because of the racquet

Nishikori uses the BLX Tour.

Rublev was using the Wilson six one 95 - prior to the switch to Head.
 

aus89

Hall of Fame
are there any details of the 95 v3 online? ive never heard of this. isn't the 95 that nishikori uses a completely different racquet?

which ultra was rublev using when he was with wilson? seems like he started having some better results after his switch to head, though obviously not just because of the racquet
I believe its just a paint update of the last Ultra 95 (still has countervail/is very stiff etc...) and yes Nishikori uses the old nTour
https://www.tennisonly.com.au/Wilson_Ultra_Tour_95_v3_Racquet/descpage-WUL95P.html
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
So are we just going to see 100 inch and larger head sizes for the main release? Pro remains sold by Wilson direct only, right?
-yeah i think so, sadly
-100/+ only, it seems
-ULTRAS fill a "racquet range" that the PS and/or blades dont occupy, so it is for the 100"/stiffer frame users
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
I will say the 95 v3 still made it to Japan/Australia when it didn't make it to EU/US so I assume the 95 might get another PJ in Asia just for Nishikori etc...
Racquet looks nice from what we've seen from Coric's paintjob - looks to have a teal/purple color shift like the Blade's green/copper
july-2022-hamburg-tennis-atp-tour-singles-men-quarterfinals-molcan-picture-id1242054082
-thats interesting!!
-i did ask about a 95", but REP said No!!
-maybe he did not know or maybe he did not know about racquets outside of US market, and hence i did not push further
 

RNBABOLAT

Professional
-thats interesting!!
-i did ask about a 95", but REP said No!!
-maybe he did not know or maybe he did not know about racquets outside of US market, and hence i did not push further
-i was starting to wonder if there was ANY excitement on this w.ultra.V4 release??
-ive seen it, and held it, but no chance to hit with it, yet
-rep said the frequency response (wilsons RA rating system) is much less than previous versions
-also looks like some work was done on the throat of the racket
-looks like wilson decided to go SIMPLISTIC and DARK this year!!
-color is DARK, top is all flat black!, rest of it is navy blue with shimering flakes
-the wilson writing on one of the sides is also in dark skinny big letters
-no 18/20, no 95"

-the bag looks like a guys color though!, dark blue with come shimmer
-very similar to THE OLD BLX blue bag/s of the past (2012 i think), but with black or blue zipperz, and dark letters
-very squarish shape to it, similar to the ones for the other lines, but in DARK BLUE color
Can you confirm they will only release the ultra pro in 16x19? Thanks
 

mayanma

New User
Hey All - I have been playing with Ultra Pro v3 18x20 for a while now. (Switching from RF97). Modified UP has ~340 static weight, not sure about swing weight, but i did put 2g lead on 12, and ~4g total on 3/9. Racket is stable, enough power, feels amazing (as compared to RF97) but trajectory is pretty low. A lot of my forehand shots are either clipping the tape or are into the net. Strings i use are, Tour Bite 19g @ 46 in mains, Lux Gut 17g @ 48 in cross. Couple of questions to the group:

1. Does switching Gut to main and Poly to cross would help with launch angle?
2. Should i add a bit more lead to 12 (and perhaps reduce lead in 3/9) to help with launch angle?
3. Does switching to Ultra Pro 16x19 makes better sense. How is 16x19 pattern in UP compared to RF97. I know Blade Pro has tighter 16x19, but not sure if i can handle the high swing weight.
4. Has anyone switched to / from UP 18x20 to Gravity Pro 18x20 / VCore 95 16x20. If so, any thoughts on how these two compare with UP 18x20

Any inputs would be welcome.
 

LeftyJunk

Rookie
Has anyone recently ordered the 16x19 grommets for the Ultra Pro and recieved the correct grommets? I am hesitant to order again since I was one of the people that ordered the 16x19 and recieved the 18x20 in the 16x19 packaging. Wilson was very helpful with free return shipping but it was still a pain in the butt.
 

taylor15

Hall of Fame
Has anyone recently ordered the 16x19 grommets for the Ultra Pro and recieved the correct grommets? I am hesitant to order again since I was one of the people that ordered the 16x19 and recieved the 18x20 in the 16x19 packaging. Wilson was very helpful with free return shipping but it was still a pain in the butt.
I almost ordered 16x19 grommets just to see if I would get some 18x20 grommets instead. May still do it for kicks
 

LeftyJunk

Rookie
What would you move to? Prestige pro?
The new Pronce Tour 98 is on my short list. I just demoed the VCORE 98, Speed MP, and for fun the Extreme 360+ MP. I honestly enjoyed playing with the Extreme the most. The big sweet spot, spin, and power just made it so easy to play with but I fear it's stiffness over the long run. I have throughly enjoyed my adventures with the Ultra Pro 16x19 as I bought it on a whim last summer and eventually bought two more but as I have played a ton of tennis this summer I am on the search for something to make things simpler.
 
If you do please share the results. This dude is about to move on from Wilson and never look back.
I decided to move on from my UP16s in part because how stupidly difficult it is logistically with Wilson. I know they're back in stock now but for the longest time no L3s, no grommets, and impossible to match unless you order extras. If you or @taylor15 are interested, I think I may have a couple of grommet sets for the 16. But I never bothered to check if they were actually 16 and not 18, so I'd have to confirm haha.
 

LeftyJunk

Rookie
I decided to move on from my UP16s in part because how stupidly difficult it is logistically with Wilson. I know they're back in stock now but for the longest time no L3s, no grommets, and impossible to match unless you order extras. If you or @taylor15 are interested, I think I may have a couple of grommet sets for the 16. But I never bothered to check if they were actually 16 and not 18, so I'd have to confirm haha.
What did you switch to?!
 

Blakefan17

Rookie
I decided to move on from my UP16s in part because how stupidly difficult it is logistically with Wilson. I know they're back in stock now but for the longest time no L3s, no grommets, and impossible to match unless you order extras. If you or @taylor15 are interested, I think I may have a couple of grommet sets for the 16. But I never bothered to check if they were actually 16 and not 18, so I'd have to confirm haha.
Same I moved to Yonex. I don't even have time to play as much as I want..certainly don't have time to be messing around matching sticks ffs.
 

Chairman3

Hall of Fame
Same I moved to Yonex. I don't even have time to play as much as I want..certainly don't have time to be messing around matching sticks ffs.
Which model?
I have one Ultra Pro 16M, think it is the right racquet for me, but the ire of wilson and everything eveyone has mentioned is making me feel the same.
So just curious what others are going to
 

taylor15

Hall of Fame
I decided to move on from my UP16s in part because how stupidly difficult it is logistically with Wilson. I know they're back in stock now but for the longest time no L3s, no grommets, and impossible to match unless you order extras. If you or @taylor15 are interested, I think I may have a couple of grommet sets for the 16. But I never bothered to check if they were actually 16 and not 18, so I'd have to confirm haha.
I've sold out of my UP16s, but if I could get black grommets I would have a beat up UT blacked out. I would only do it with black grommets. Most of the reason I am playing the MPL is b/c the UP needed grommets and I was only able to get them b/c of a member here who was gracious enough to help me source some. Once I found the right setup I really like the frame, and it helped me get past a wrist injury playing it with guy/poly. The hardest part is Wilson's "2 weeks" every time I asked about grommets. That went on for 4 months or so, and I just listed them and moved on. I have 4 MPLs and still have 6 sets of grommets, so should be set for a while - though grommets for them aren't easy either right now.

If, and only if, I could get 3 UP 16s and 9 sets of grommets up front when the v4 comes out I could go back to it if needed. I really liked it, and was easy to get to my preferred specs..just Wilson man.

Oh, and also the discount code I've been using for the last 10 months or so doesn't work anymore. It did yesterday, but today they added a bag to my cart for free and my code is disabled. That also makes it harder. Getting the UP for $200 made it a steal, at $249 there are other options I'd rather have.
 
What did you switch to?!
I was playing with the 93P and then planned on switching to the UP16 but found sourcing them so frustrating that I decided to go back to the 93P. But the reason I wanted to go UP from 93P in the first place was for a little additional forgiveness. I can play my best tennis with the 93P and PT 2.0 when I'm sharp and rested and practiced, but I've been dabbling with the VC95, GPro, PAVS, and the Extreme Tour for that additional forgiveness I'm seeking especially in competitive contexts. I've almost 100% settled on the Extreme Tour but I think the 93P still works best as long as I'm grooving. I wish it were a tad less soft. I know they're all very different sticks! I was hoping one of the current Prestiges would have the playability/ease of the ET with the feel of the PT 2.0.

Same I moved to Yonex. I don't even have time to play as much as I want..certainly don't have time to be messing around matching sticks ffs.
Which model?
I have one Ultra Pro 16M, think it is the right racquet for me, but the ire of wilson and everything eveyone has mentioned is making me feel the same.
So just curious what others are going to

Curious as to which Yonex as well. I like the VC95 2021 but right now the ET is just so easy. Only problem is it hurts my elbow a bit if I play too many days in a row, which is not an issue with the UP, 93P or VC95. I also bought a 97D but I'm not in love with it.
 

taylor15

Hall of Fame
I was playing with the 93P and then planned on switching to the UP16 but found sourcing them so frustrating that I decided to go back to the 93P. But the reason I wanted to go UP from 93P in the first place was for a little additional forgiveness. I can play my best tennis with the 93P and PT 2.0 when I'm sharp and rested and practiced, but I've been dabbling with the VC95, GPro, PAVS, and the Extreme Tour for that additional forgiveness I'm seeking especially in competitive contexts. I've almost 100% settled on the Extreme Tour but I think the 93P still works best as long as I'm grooving. I wish it were a tad less soft. I know they're all very different sticks! I was hoping one of the current Prestiges would have the playability/ease of the ET with the feel of the PT 2.0.




Curious as to which Yonex as well. I like the VC95 2021 but right now the ET is just so easy. Only problem is it hurts my elbow a bit if I play too many days in a row, which is not an issue with the UP, 93P or VC95. I also bought a 97D but I'm not in love with it.
Have you tried the 97P?
 

BallBasher247

Professional
I decided to move on from my UP16s in part because how stupidly difficult it is logistically with Wilson. I know they're back in stock now but for the longest time no L3s, no grommets, and impossible to match unless you order extras. If you or @taylor15 are interested, I think I may have a couple of grommet sets for the 16. But I never bothered to check if they were actually 16 and not 18, so I'd have to confirm haha.
Same. That last one is the real kicker; I had my UPs rlly closely matched but even then it took me a literal month to match em & get em to hit halfway right. Their QC is disgusting, but what pisses me off even more is how their QC is literally perfect on their custom frames; their stupid custom paint & eco frames you pay $350+ for come dead on spec but they can’t be arsed to get their rackets even in the specs ballpark on anything else, not even their Pro Labs stuff. They’re a joke.
Same I moved to Yonex. I don't even have time to play as much as I want..certainly don't have time to be messing around matching sticks ffs.
Shame they stick this VDM in evth….I’m not even much of a feel player & testing other stuff made me realize how muted the EFS’s I’ve been using are but VDM is next lvl. Still think I’ll try an EZ98 ‘22 if push comes to shove
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
Hey All - I have been playing with Ultra Pro v3 18x20 for a while now. (Switching from RF97). Modified UP has ~340 static weight, not sure about swing weight, but i did put 2g lead on 12, and ~4g total on 3/9. Racket is stable, enough power, feels amazing (as compared to RF97) but trajectory is pretty low. A lot of my forehand shots are either clipping the tape or are into the net. Strings i use are, Tour Bite 19g @ 46 in mains, Lux Gut 17g @ 48 in cross. Couple of questions to the group:

1. Does switching Gut to main and Poly to cross would help with launch angle?
2. Should i add a bit more lead to 12 (and perhaps reduce lead in 3/9) to help with launch angle?
3. Does switching to Ultra Pro 16x19 makes better sense. How is 16x19 pattern in UP compared to RF97. I know Blade Pro has tighter 16x19, but not sure if i can handle the high swing weight.
4. Has anyone switched to / from UP 18x20 to Gravity Pro 18x20 / VCore 95 16x20. If so, any thoughts on how these two compare with UP 18x20

Any inputs would be welcome.

Many of these answers are in this thread... but in short:

I find that the UP 16x19 has a higher launch angle, but seems to make the ball bounce higher off the court, but not through the court. Therefore, I found the UP 16x19 to mean that I need to grind more, my opponents get to more balls and make me play more.

I like the UP/UT 18x20 much better. The UP 16x19 is really fun to play with, but not for match play when I want to win.

Gut in Mains will make the racquet softer, more touch, probably better launch (or at least better feel of what you're doing with the ball). When it comes to the launch angle, work on getting under the ball more and using your legs and the kinetic chain and it will improve (just my thought - not criticism). You could try adding a very small amount to 10 & 2 (I'm talking 0.5g)... and that may help you as well (counter-balance at the top of the handle - 7" above the butt cap).

I haven't switched to the Gravity Pro or VCore 95 16x20... but I have all of them... and I love them all. They have their pros and cons. Gravity Pro - bigger head, large sweet spot, very nice feel, great control, great on OHBH, nice launch angle for an 18x20... closer to UT/UP 18x20. VC95 - smaller head, needs modification (to me), better launch angle, excellent on OHBH, good power, but smaller head (feels fine to me, but I can definitely feel a difference to the GP when it comes to on-the-stretch and more realestate at the periphery.

I have a Pro Staff 97 v13 (non-RF97A), and I have modified it a bit... but I have not played with it enough to compare (and it's strung with Multi/or Syn Gut - Wilson Sensation). I will be able to tell better once I have strung it up with strings I am more familiar with.

Hope that helps.
 
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taylor15

Hall of Fame
I fid that the UP 16x19 has a higher launch angle, but seems to make the ball bounce higher off the court, but not through the court. Therefore, I found the UP 16x19 to mean that I need to grind more, my opponents get to more balls and make me play more.
I feel like you and I may have discussed this somewhere else in this thread, but I felt the same way. The 18x20 just seems to hit a better ball, and I don’t feel like I’m losing much/any spin with it.
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
I feel like you and I may have discussed this somewhere else in this thread, but I felt the same way. The 18x20 just seems to hit a better ball, and I don’t feel like I’m losing much/any spin with it.

Yeah. I also think they produce two different types of spin. The UT/UP 18x20 produces through-the-court spin (it can do all kinds, but when you go for it... it shoots through)... whereas the UP16M produces a higher bounce and launch angle, but the ball sits up, doesn't shoot through and seems to give the opponent more time to get to it and hit it back. This leads to longer rallies and more running.
 

BallBasher247

Professional
Yeah. I also think they produce two different types of spin. The UT/UP 18x20 produces through-the-court spin (it can do all kinds, but when you go for it... it shoots through)... whereas the UP16M produces a higher bounce and launch angle, but the ball sits up, doesn't shoot through and seems to give the opponent more time to get to it and hit it back. This leads to longer rallies and more running.
It’s what I call the Andy Murray effect…balls that would be unreturnable/winners w/ 99% of other sticks are rally balls w/ UP16. They feel so nice on contact but they have no sting.
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
It’s what I call the Andy Murray effect…balls that would be unreturnable/winners w/ 99% of other sticks are rally balls w/ UP16. They feel so nice on contact but they have no sting.

Absolutely... a pure joy to hit with, but not as effective as other racquets.

Having seen Andy Murray hit balls live... the dude is a beast, and his shots had serious pace. Watched him play against Goffin... and he was terrorising the poor Belgian. He would just hit really solid rally 2HBHs... then just lean into the third or fourth BH and just maul Goffin.
 

BallBasher247

Professional
Absolutely... a pure joy to hit with, but not as effective as other racquets.

Having seen Andy Murray hit balls live... the dude is a beast, and his shots had serious pace. Watched him play against Goffin... and he was terrorising the poor Belgian. He would just hit really solid rally 2HBHs... then just lean into the third or fourth BH and just maul Goffin.
Esp if you play 16m <340SW rackets. BP/H22’s are better IMO if you’re gonna lead a UP/H19 to sledgehammer specs anyway, lead can only do so much to replace missing graphite

Yeah it’s always diff watching pros or other high lvl players in person. Even on TV (esp w/ court lvl camera angle) you can tell Murray’s BH is lethal. It’s just that he chooses to passively rally in some situations where many other players would try to end the point. Thing is w/ the UP16 I basically had to play that style of tennis every point. Tbf in one way it was a good thing bc it forced me to be patient & work the point (I have a tendency to be inpatient sometimes) but the on switch was nonexistent & I had ZERO chance against players that were even a little better than me.
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
Esp if you play 16m <340SW rackets. BP/H22’s are better IMO if you’re gonna lead a UP/H19 to sledgehammer specs anyway, lead can only do so much to replace missing graphite

Yeah it’s always diff watching pros or other high lvl players in person. Even on TV (esp w/ court lvl camera angle) you can tell Murray’s BH is lethal. It’s just that he chooses to passively rally in some situations where many other players would try to end the point. Thing is w/ the UP16 I basically had to play that style of tennis every point. Tbf in one way it was a good thing bc it forced me to be patient & work the point (I have a tendency to be inpatient sometimes) but the on switch was nonexistent & I had ZERO chance against players that were even a little better than me.

My UT/UP 18x20s are 353g strung... and I'd guesstimate around 6-7 pts HL, and guessing around 340-ish SW (I have 3g at 3 o'clock, 3g at 9, and 2g at 12 o'clock). I have lots of weight in the handle as well. My BP 16M, on the other hand, is 363g, 315mm balance, and 354-ish SW (dependent on strings - 343g, 305mm balance, and 324 SW unstrung).

I agree with everything you said about Murray and how he plays... and also your commentary/experience with the UP16M.
 

taylor15

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Yeah. I also think they produce two different types of spin. The UT/UP 18x20 produces through-the-court spin (it can do all kinds, but when you go for it... it shoots through)... whereas the UP16M produces a higher bounce and launch angle, but the ball sits up, doesn't shoot through and seems to give the opponent more time to get to it and hit it back. This leads to longer rallies and more running.
You know, it’s almost as if Wilson knew what they were doing when they initially only released the 18x20 pattern.
 
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