Yeah, the paint would chip in the bag which was a bit annoying. I think $250 is fine given that most retail racquets are more than that at this point, though I’m generally not going to pay that much. I really can’t believe that some of them babs and YY frames are $270+ now
Wilson Pro Labs: Ultra Pro (16x19) Official Thread
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J-Wildcard
Semi-Pro
Yes, i saw, that the other manufacturers followed in putting the prices towards where the pro labs series were but they also seem to get more discounted as time goes by whereas the pro labs hold the price all apart from the occasional 20% discount code or promo.
Yeah, solid point. I've only bought my Pro Labs frames when there was a 20% code that worked.
Ryanblessed
Semi-Pro
New Ultra Pro V4 coming soon?
August 31
Ryanblessed
Semi-Pro
Appreciated.
Ryanblessed
Semi-Pro
Sigh, looks like UP is not on yet
Ryanblessed
Semi-Pro
Thx.
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
Thanks for letting us know. They look delicious. I may have to exercise my will power though, as I have way to many sticks. Let us know how it plays and looks. I may have to live vicariously through you and your experiences.
Richard Pioline
Hall of Fame
Definitely looks glossier compared to the regular versions.
Believe its some kind of NTour/HTour/KTour/BLX Tour model
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SupahMan5000
Hall of Fame
curious as to why there is less discussion about the 18x20 UP, there seem to be some threads but with a lot less engagement as UP 16x19 and BP18x20
Because the UP 18x20 has been out since 2017 or 18, previously called the Ultra Tour.
Everyone had been waiting for it in a 16x19
J-Wildcard
Semi-Pro
It's nice they finally released the 16x19 but they took the 18x20 off the retail market it seems altogether and now its through pro labs, charging high money for the same sticks. They all used to have glossy paint anyway, not the garbage they putting out in recent years, that rubber finish has a short shelf life too on the retail frames. Inflation the ultra v4 pro labs only 18x20. So Wilsons stick is very limited and hard to get now. I will have to get an old ultra tour again with the lightweight paint.
The Ultra Pro is still available in 18x20 and 16x19, and still has glossy paint. None of the Pro Labs racquets come with the rubbery/velvet paint. The difference now is they are only available from Wilson's website directly.
J-Wildcard
Semi-Pro
Yes, i was referring to all the retail sticks, certainly the older model blades V6 & V7 and the RF97 and so on. I guess they are for a niche market so they are making them in a more limited way. Head are charging slightly less but only have the mass market retail frames, maybe they will look at this type of sale again in the future. I am sure there would be a demand for some of their frames. Wilson certainly seem to be doing very well with their racket ranges, the pro staff needs to be improved though I feel, but the modern game I guess is why the blade is so popular. The pro staff like an old school classic like the prestige for the experts only really.
I got a second hand UP 16 19. I immediately noticed that it's way more oblong and oval than my own. I'm assuming that it's because the crosses were strung very tightly compared to the mains. Is this warping something to be concerned about or will it go away with future stringings?
the most noticeable thing is that the one i got second-hand is "taller" than my other one.
the most noticeable thing is that the one i got second-hand is "taller" than my other one.
BallBasher247
Professional
That’s just because of how the rackets are strung. Get your own strung the same way & it’ll have the same shape. I noticed this w/ my own Diadem Elevates and the one I strung to sell; mine had narrower, slightly shorter hoops because I used higher tension (56/58lbs M/X vs 52lbs all round). I also noticed this w/ my PAVS; came w/ Tour Hex 1.23 strung at around 50lb, but when I restrung at 52/54lb, the head got narrower.I got a second hand UP 16 19. I immediately noticed that it's way more oblong and oval than my own. I'm assuming that it's because the crosses were strung very tightly compared to the mains. Is this warping something to be concerned about or will it go away with future stringings?
the most noticeable thing is that the one i got second-hand is "taller" than my other one.
SupahMan5000
Hall of Fame
also depends on the mounting. if you stretch the head too much when mounting itll look like that. also reverse if you mount too loose the head will look more circular
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
In Australia we have a Ultra Pro v4 in 16x19 and 18x20 (in Pro Labs section). *EDIT - Never mind... read your subsequent post.
Cheers.
thanks. would either of them appear to be "more warped" in this case? i'm trying to think about if keeping it as close to the original shape is best
BallBasher247
Professional
The one on the right looks more like mine did when I had em. One on the left looks like the crosses lost a ton of tension
ah so perhaps it is i who is the fool lol
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Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
We have them in Australia... but that probably doesn't help you. Sorry
jackboddy
New User
Appreciate the reply, hopefully this means they are slowly heading our way!!
JOSHL
Hall of Fame
Early 2023 someone posted
update on the "egg-shaped" racquet. i ended up taking off all the lead from the head cause it felt too head-heavy and figured i would match it to my current racquet. after taking off all the lead, the racquet weighed around 313g, so it looks like the person filled the handle with silicon, so i'm either going to have to have this one be heavier than my other racquet or make my other racquet heavier to make it work out. not sure what i want to do. i've been thinking of adding a leather grip to the other one but I've liked the balance so far but maybe it's worth the risk
SupahMan5000
Hall of Fame
update on the "egg-shaped" racquet. i ended up taking off all the lead from the head cause it felt too head-heavy and figured i would match it to my current racquet. after taking off all the lead, the racquet weighed around 313g, so it looks like the person filled the handle with silicon, so i'm either going to have to have this one be heavier than my other racquet or make my other racquet heavier to make it work out. not sure what i want to do. i've been thinking of adding a leather grip to the other one but I've liked the balance so far but maybe it's worth the risk
kind of my current issue lol. One def has a higher swingweight but I play nicely with either one but it just throws me off when I have to switch after a string break. Most likely gonna match them to the heavier Swinging one but they each have their pros and cons
I have an UT with which I like how I play better than either of these current sticks, so I will probably just try and get them to be the same balance rather than try and pull my hair out trying to get them to be the exact same
does anyone notice that they have trouble getting angles with this racquet compared to the 18 x 20? my shots, especially backhand on the run, end up in the middle way more. with the 18 x20 i'm able to hit angles both flat and spin much easier. i'm sticking with that as the preferred racquet for now.
Yeah, I could never figure out why but the 18x20 just produces a better ball for me. More penetration and more importantly less balls coming back
i'm guessing it's like because the string bed deforms more cause of the open pattern, the ball is coming off "later?" but yeah, i gave the 16 19 a good trial this summer but i just feel like 18 20 is a better match for me
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
Seems to me like you figured it out pretty well.
In my experience...
The UP 16x19, due to a slightly more open pattern, produces more upward bounce off-the-ground, which results in balls that sit up more but have less through-the-court penetration. The result of all this, is that the opponent has more time to get to the ball, as it's sitting up and not shooting through the court. Therefore, players of a better level end up returning more balls back... and it becomes more of a slog-fest than with the UP/UT 18x20.
Both of my UP 16x19 and UP/UT 18x20 are of a similar weight/modification (353g strung, around 6-8 pts HL, and SW around 335-340-ish as an estimate). At those specs, the UP/UT 18x20 has the heft needed to produce a weightier ball, and combined with the lower-bouncing (relatively), more through-the-court bounce... results in a much more effective (at least for me), more damaging shot. The ball stays lower, shoots through the court, and therefore, gives the opponent less time before a double bounce or before it has gone past them. The UP 16x19, on the other hand, feels like much more effort and RHS is needed to produce the same through-the-court penetration... which results in either many more balls coming back... or it being much more tiring/effort or energy-sapping per point.
On further reflection... maybe the "solution" to the UP 16x19 conundrum is a totally different set-up... and/or it suits a totally different type of player. Maybe, what is needed is an extremely polarised set-up where much more weight is added to the tip than the 3 & 9 positions (compared to the UP/UT 18x20) and some weight in the butt cap. This would result in a lower static weight/higher SW set-up... but still more HL balance than a Blade 98 or a Blade Pro. This may then have enough power (due to more weight in the tip than the UP/UT 18x20 set-up), but be lighter and therefore suited to the type of player that wants to use massive RHS on every shot (swing out-of-their-boots on everything). This may then produce more penetration, due to huge swings on every shot, but have enough weight to also keep the opponent pinned back. But this requires a different style/stroke than what I have... and means I have to change my game completely. I don't see why I would do that... when I can keep my stroke speed/natural style of play and have a better impact on my opponent with the UP/UT 18x20 than the UP 16x19.
Hope that made sense... and helped.
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if you wait it out, you can usually find some of the 18 x 20 ones on resale in good condition
I wish they would restock on L3 or L2 frames.
i think once they make the new colorway they will. then hopefully the old one will go on sale
jason n
Rookie
With that code you can get Ultra Pro 18x20 for $139!
i was very close to doing that but since they're are so many of the UT 18 20 for resale i decided not to.
Don’t worry, I did.
is the Ultra Pro Labs 18 20 any different from the UTour 2.0?
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Deleted member 775108
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Only the paintjob (some reviewers have said it was 1-2 points stiffer but that could easily be QC and slight manufacturing differences)
I can't tell a difference between them, have owned both at same time and played side by side. As gold325 said, some reviewers said they were 1-2pts less flexible, but I don't believe that to be so. I've seen no measurements to indicate it is true.
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