Wilson Pro Labs: Ultra Pro (16x19) Official Thread
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blackpearl2007
Semi-Pro
I have the original Ultra Tour and I think the 3/8 in the racquet I just received (16x19) is bigger than the normal 3/8 from Wilson. It could just be my racquet though. I can resolve this pretty easily with a thin leather grip or a Babolat skin feel grip. Not a huge deal but it definitely caught my attention holding it the first time.
JGads
G.O.A.T.
Interesting. I have 3/8 UTs but can always play with a 1/4 or 3/8 so this may sway me to a 1/4 if more people feel the same.
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
Update: Received the specs (unstrung) from the stringer. Will pick up the racquets on 16th Oct.
The UP 16x19 is 310g static; 287 SW; 315mm Balance (this is still with plastic on grip).
I'm happy with that. I'm stringing it (and the UT 18x20) with Tier 1 Black Knight 1.18mm in the Mains (the UP 16x19 @ 50 lbs, and the UT 18x20 @ 46 lbs) and Babolat Origin 1.25mm in the crosses (UP @ 47 and UT @ 43). I will let you know of strung specs when I get them.
The BP 16x19 is another story... but that's for the other threads (BP and Wilson Pro Labs).
Christoforos Giatzakis
Rookie
Thank you for this.
ChrisG
Professional
This speaks sweet things to my ears
I posted in another thread that Wilson's grip sizes are getting larger or seem inconsistent? My v7 blade 3/8th is equal to 100 clash and blade 104 v7 at size 1/4th that I have been running into recently.... I wouldn't be surprised if the newer rackets have slightly larger grip sizes but I'm not sure if it's a QC issue...
blackpearl2007
Semi-Pro
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These are similar to my specs. Mine was 308g with plastic unstrung. The swing weight seems similar as it swings very light. Mine is now strung and will be hitting it this afternoon. My guess for the strung swing weight is 310-315 (probably closer to 310). I will be putting lead at 3 and 9 and plan to give perspective on my impressions of the racquet.
These are similar to my specs. Mine was 308g with plastic unstrung. The swing weight seems similar as it swings very light. Mine is now strung and will be hitting it this afternoon. My guess for the strung swing weight is 310-315 (probably closer to 310). I will be putting lead at 3 and 9 and plan to give perspective on my impressions of the racquet.
JGads
G.O.A.T.
Just heard from Wilson regarding the Ultra getting to Europe:
"The shipments were delayed. We are hoping to have them by the end of October/early November but there is no set date right now."
blackpearl2007
Semi-Pro
So I was was able to get about a 30 minute hit with the frame this afternoon. Very plush. The RA is probably 60 or so. I have the 18x20 version as well and it does feel a bit softer than that version. It is very similar to the 18x20 but with more spin and height on the ball (in a very good controllable way) as everyone expected. This racquet felt like it had tons of control and while I only spent about 30 minutes I felt like I could swing for the fences and it would stay in. The main thing it is lacking is plow. I did put some lead at 3 & 9 but it needs more and I may put it at 12 as well to really up the swing weight more. While I was only able to hit with it for a short time (thanks to work), it has potential to be a special racquet for me. I like 16x19 patterns better and while I liked the original ultra tour this one could really be a great racquet for me. I need to spend some time getting the weight right as the ball I was hitting wasn’t ‘jumping’ like it does with my modified Blade 16x19. I hope to get out with it a good bit more this week and I may pull the trigger on a second. Lots of potential here for me as I was looking for a soft controlled oriented frame that was more naturally headlight than my Blade. I think many of you will be pleased but expect to tinker with it to get the weight right which I believe many of you were expecting to do anyway. More to come...
zettavaska
Rookie
low SW, no? Is this expected?
Thanks very much for posting the first play review of the UP 16x19! Just wondering...how would you rate the power compared to the 18x20 -- similar, or a tad higher for the 16x19? Thanks!
Christoforos Giatzakis
Rookie
Could somebody post a high res pic of the 16x19 next to the 18x20?
blackpearl2007
Semi-Pro
I thought it was a bit higher (not too much). For me it was something I wanted.
blackpearl2007
Semi-Pro
Here is a quick photo of the two frames side by side with the 16x19 on the right. The photo isn’t great but hopefully you can see the differences in the pattern between the two. By differences I mean I think the 16x19 is more open than I anticipated which was a good surprise for me,
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Titochop77
Semi-Pro
Great review.
I have a h19 18x20 and only thing it was missing was power. That’s why I bought a PT57a 16x19. I will pick up a Ultra pro 16x19 later on.
Christoforos Giatzakis
Rookie
Thank you. It seems the 16x19 and the blade 18x20 have similar spacing in the center(?).
Lozannois
Rookie
Thank you for this very first worldwide review of the UP 16x19!
Does it have the same buttery feel than the Ultra Tour 18x20?
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
This would put it at around 317 SW when strung... which from memory is similar to the UT 18x20... so yes, this was expected as it is a racquet that needs modification. I will probably add about 2.5-3g at 3 and 9 o'clock, and 1-1.5g at 12 o'clock. This will then be counter-balanced with weight 7" above the butt cap (5-6g), 2 overgrips (first with no overlap, and the second as standard), and a rubber band as a dampener. This should all come to around 360-odd grams.
Good to go.
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JGads
G.O.A.T.
Definitely a frame that requires lead. The key thing I'm hoping for (and many others too) is that this opened patterned version, set up the same way as the 18m, might be just slightly more powerful and spinny than the 18m. Hopefully you find that to be true after some more tinkering.
Christoforos Giatzakis
Rookie
It seems that spacing of the center mains is very close to the 18x20 so I expect spin would be about the same. But the 16x19 has to be a little more powerful (and a little more comfy)...
JGads
G.O.A.T.
If so then this frame could end up being the legend of legends...
blackpearl2007
Semi-Pro
Yes I thought so...I string a hybrid Revolve in the mains and NXT in the crosses.
blackpearl2007
Semi-Pro
To me, when I compare the two the spacing on the 16m version is wider. My 18m racquet is strung with a 17g while my 16m is strung with a 16g cross and 17g main. There is definitely a difference...it isn’t huge in my opinion but it isn’t subtle either (if that makes sense). I was expecting the spacing to be a bit more closed on the 16m but with 6m in the middle it is pretty open compared to what I was expecting. From my perspective, all of this is a good thing for me as I had to string my 18m with a very thin 1.10 poly to get more spin. My game doesn’t have a ton of spin which is why I like the 16x19 patterns to give me a little help. I think this frame will have a lot of fans.
Christoforos Giatzakis
Rookie
I just measure the distance between grommet holes....
That is why I asked for the picture side by side and thank you for posting it. I think im going to like this frame.
blackpearl2007
Semi-Pro
Your comment about power and comfort was my experience in my brief hit with it.
Pneumated1
Hall of Fame
I fought and nearly tamed the Angell TC95 16x19 after a year. This UP looks just fine.
Your words are like romantic whispers of hope
JGads
G.O.A.T.
@blackpearl2007 Are you still feeling that the UP 16m grip seems slightly larger than the same with your 18m UT?
blackpearl2007
Semi-Pro
Yes, I do but it may just be my racquet they sent me. I put a Tourna overwrap on it before I hit and it was too bulky for me so I removed the overwrap and re-wrapped the original grip very tight and that helped. Over time it may flatten a bit if i stay with the factory grip but I will most likely put a thin leather grip or a skin feel grip to make it thinner. If my experience with this frame continues to be positive I will order a 1/4 grip next.
jason n
Rookie
Hitting with mine tomorrow. Stringing up today with same string as my UT.
Lozannois
Rookie
Nice! Looking forward to have your feedback!
fundrazer
G.O.A.T.
They just started shipping out on yesterday. The early email notifications were just for shipping label creation.
I think a few Aussies got them already, but here in the states I don't think anyone else has their's yet. Mine is coming tomorrow, but I'll need a day or two to get it strung.
blackpearl2007
Semi-Pro
i got mine on Saturday evening and I am in Georgia. Posted a short review earlier from yesterday’s brief hit.
JGads
G.O.A.T.
Would be very interested to get a comparison between this frame and the Prestige Pro I see in your sig.
Will do.
zettavaska
Rookie
Received!
The 4 static weights (including the plastic/paper) are 307g, 307g, 309g, and 310g
Plastic/paper weighs about 2-3g - my balance rounded up to 3g
The 307g without the plastic is at 305g
This compares to spec at 305g
I will get one strung by the weekend and will report back (also stringing BP 16x19 so will compare)
Pneumated1
Hall of Fame
Can you verify the launch angle off the string bed of the UP 16x19? When you say this pattern 'gives ... a little help,' hopefully you're just referring to added bite/spin to bring the ball down and not some weird launch angle. What I love about my UTs (and TC95 18x20s before them) is the ability to dictate exactly how much net clearance I want. The 18x20 is so honest that way, and the UT already gives me a lot of spin. Going back to a 6m/throat 16x19 is my only reservation on this one.
Pneumated1
Hall of Fame
QC on the 16x19s seems to be surprisingly reasonable. Surely I'll get the outlier ... if I purchase.
RVAtennisaddict
Professional
Got mine today. 304gm. Will string volki cyclone tour 16 @50 and hit w some.
My ultratours are 336/337gm w leather and weight at 3&9. Hyper g 18g@50
My v7 blades stock weight 326/325 w volki cyclone tour 16 @50
Liking the blades (2 months) and other than tournagrip and change in string needs changes yet. Had to change string because breaking every 3hrs was crazy but like the volki more (it is rough 9n balls lol). Fighting urge to go leather base grip and a touch of lead.
I am thinking the ultra pro 16/19 may give me the best of both worlds and put it in the middle weight wise.
My ultratours are 336/337gm w leather and weight at 3&9. Hyper g 18g@50
My v7 blades stock weight 326/325 w volki cyclone tour 16 @50
Liking the blades (2 months) and other than tournagrip and change in string needs changes yet. Had to change string because breaking every 3hrs was crazy but like the volki more (it is rough 9n balls lol). Fighting urge to go leather base grip and a touch of lead.
I am thinking the ultra pro 16/19 may give me the best of both worlds and put it in the middle weight wise.
zettavaska
Rookie
Deciding between a NG/poly hybrid or full poly - any H19 (16x19) users with feedback on these setups? Thanks in advance
blackpearl2007
Semi-Pro
No, sorry, no weird launch angle from my experience at all. I definitely got more spin with the 16m version than the 18m version. My strokes are not huge spin type of strokes so this racquet gave me more spin than the 18m version.
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