ivanjo
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Wilson Pro Labs: Ultra Pro (16x19) Official Thread
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mattimag
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I have just ordered a 16x19 V4 Ultra Pro.
Talking about customization... I usually put leather grip on all my rackets so I was thinking of putting a leather grip and then 2g of lead at 3,9 and 12 for a total of 6 grams of lead. could this be a good setup?
I played with a Wilson H19 years ago, I hope this one will be as good as that
Talking about customization... I usually put leather grip on all my rackets so I was thinking of putting a leather grip and then 2g of lead at 3,9 and 12 for a total of 6 grams of lead. could this be a good setup?
I played with a Wilson H19 years ago, I hope this one will be as good as that
Just for fun I weighed and balanced my UP16. It had been a while since I even thought about it. 343gm and 30.75 balance point. Got there by adding a leather grip, silicone in the handle and lead tape under the bumper at 12 o’clock. They play just great.
I have UP16 coming this week, and I am considering putting silicon in the handle, did it change the feel? I have a pro stock Head with silicon in the handle, but that was done in the Head Pro Room, I'm a little hesitant to do it myself on a new racquet. How much did you put in and how did you do it?
That's about where I'm at but 1cm less headlight, so 31.75cm. And that's because I didn't put silicone.
Otherwise lead at 12 seems to work well 6-8grams depending on what the stock specs are.
Didn’t do much to the feel, for me. I did all the other mods I wanted first. Then did the math on what was needed to match the racquets. Just used the squeeze tube variety. Added slowly, weighing often, till I achieved the final desired weight. That’s it.
For me, yes. It’s just going to make the racquets more headlight, which I like.
I got my UPv4 a couple of days ago, great stick, the mould is like 90% the same as my retail Head Youtek IG Prestige Pro, aside from the number of mains in the throat, you'd have to hold them up against each other to pick the difference; its marginal.
UPv4 is a little softer and doesn't bother my elbow at all, very similar feel, but a little more solid than the retail Prestige but not quite as solid as my prostock TGK293.1; I can only put that down to the silicon in the handle.
UPv4 is a little softer and doesn't bother my elbow at all, very similar feel, but a little more solid than the retail Prestige but not quite as solid as my prostock TGK293.1; I can only put that down to the silicon in the handle.
Illuminatu
New User
Picked up my Ultra Pro v4 16x19 today, wow it’s a beautiful frame.
Mine came with these specs:
Weight: 303g
SW: 282
Balance: 315mm
Happy with these unstrung specs.
I’m testing VS gut in the mains @ 24kg and Alu Power Soft in the crosses @ 23kg. Adding Kimony Pro 1.5mm leather grip and starting with a total of 4g of lead at 3 & 9. Depending of how it feels I might add more lead to the hoop at 12 to get a final SW of 325-330.
Looking forward to play with it.
Mine came with these specs:
Weight: 303g
SW: 282
Balance: 315mm
Happy with these unstrung specs.
I’m testing VS gut in the mains @ 24kg and Alu Power Soft in the crosses @ 23kg. Adding Kimony Pro 1.5mm leather grip and starting with a total of 4g of lead at 3 & 9. Depending of how it feels I might add more lead to the hoop at 12 to get a final SW of 325-330.
Looking forward to play with it.
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i ended up demoing through TW the tour 18 x 20, tour 16 x 19 and the 200 cx. oddly i liked the 18x20 the most and the most opposite one (the non-tour) the second most, and hate the 16 x 19 tour. it could be because i got horrible strings with the demos but who am i to complain. i am heavily considering going with the 18 x 20. in theory the launch angle should be worse than the ultra 18 x 20 but it seems to be about the same in the end and felt good to me without extra weight even needed.
Not surprised by the 16x19 Tour.
That's kind of where I'm at with my Ultra Pro 16M, my game is better with denser patterns.
The 18x20 Tour is surprisingly spin friendly, I think it only has 3 mains in the throat and they nailed the spacing.
I've never used the regular CX200 but have several friends who do and love it. It's a shame dunlop has been dropped to a third tier brand. The latest round of frames have great feel and desirable specs.
the strings on the 16 x 19 tour from TW broke and i just didn't like it. i'm actually torn on the non-tour 200 and the tour 18 x 20. i was impressed how well the non-tour 16x19 volleyed and sliced. i felt like it was better than the wilson ultra 16 x 19 (sorry y'all) but not sure if i'd like it more than the ultra 18 x 20 or the cx 18 x 20. by the end of my hitting session today i was still torn between the two racquets.
For $100 each, I'd buy both haha
The regular 200 will always be "easier" to use with its slightly larger head and more open pattern.
But without knowing your game or racquet history, that's just a generic recommendation.
I don't think you'd ever regret the regular 200 but I could see down the road the 18M Tour feeling very demanding.
That's what happened with me and the Ultra Tour, that's why I went to the Ultra Pro 16M. Now, after 9 months of the 16M Ultra Pro, it just doesn't give me the same confidence the Tour did, so I'm looking for a middle ground with a denser pattern.
yeah despite the smaller head size, i still got enough launch on the 18 x 20 and enough cut with the 98. my slicing is terrible with the UP 16 19 but i make more slice and kick serves with it than with the UT 18 20. the dunlop 18 20 was a natural transition, i didn't have to think at all. i didn't get a chance to play real points with the 98 so i would be concerned about stability on return of serve, which i have a lot of trouble with when using the UP 16 19, though i like returning with the UT 18 20.
My brief stint (ongoing) with the 93P 18x20 is really making me appreciate closed patterns.
They're just so predictable and consistent, maybe you have to work a little harder to get the net clearance, but it's so worth it.
The UP 16M isn't super open, but still just not quite as predictable, especially when you need the confidence to swing out. (For me at least)
NastyWinners
Hall of Fame
I find my slice is so much better with the UP 16m than any racket I’ve hit with haha
welp i wish i was in that camp
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
Had a brief hit with my UP v3 16x19 last night... and it just confirmed just how great these racquets are. Will need to pull out my UT/UP 18x20s to compare back-to-back again... but there was no denying how good these racquets are.
ivanjo
Rookie
Looking forward to hear more
what strings do you use
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
I have Tier 1/Tru Pro Black Knight 1.18mm in the Mains, and Babolat Origin 1.25mm in the Crosses @ 50M/47C.
My UP 16x19 is also modified.
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
Last time I used that string in a full bed was in a 16x18 PK... and I just felt like it lost so much tension after 2 hiring sessions, that it was unplayable (probably the racquet spacing, but have been hesitant to use it since... and feel like it would be too dense in an 18x20).
True it didn’t last long, but man it was sweet for a hot minute. That’s why I didn’t switch over from PP Black Force …
Any update how this played with the gut/poly hybrid? I have been thinking of using a similar hybrid.
Illuminatu
New User
Been playtesting for about 6h and I really like the gut/poly combination. Nice pocketing and feel as expected.
I started the playtest with the racket in stock form, except leather grip. Felt very underpowered and added
1+1g at 3&9, still low on power and unstable. Added another 1+1g at 3&9 and was happy with it, felt stable enough.
Still felt a bit underpowered and added 2g at 12 to give it more heft, stopped there and thought it played exceptional good.
I will try a couple of more variations before settling, but I'm really happy about it.
The Kimony leather was changed to Oehms which I'm used to, Pro version to be precise. Never got the overlapping right on the Kimony and didn't like
the feel. I'm pretty picky about the grip...
Mine Ultra Pro came with silicone in the handle, maybe all do?
Specs right now is:
Weight: 337g with overgrip and dampener
SW: about 325-330, will measure next week
Balance: 32.5cm
I started the playtest with the racket in stock form, except leather grip. Felt very underpowered and added
1+1g at 3&9, still low on power and unstable. Added another 1+1g at 3&9 and was happy with it, felt stable enough.
Still felt a bit underpowered and added 2g at 12 to give it more heft, stopped there and thought it played exceptional good.
I will try a couple of more variations before settling, but I'm really happy about it.
The Kimony leather was changed to Oehms which I'm used to, Pro version to be precise. Never got the overlapping right on the Kimony and didn't like
the feel. I'm pretty picky about the grip...
Mine Ultra Pro came with silicone in the handle, maybe all do?
Specs right now is:
Weight: 337g with overgrip and dampener
SW: about 325-330, will measure next week
Balance: 32.5cm
love those oehms gripsBeen playtesting for about 6h and I really like the gut/poly combination. Nice pocketing and feel as expected.
I started the playtest with the racket in stock form, except leather grip. Felt very underpowered and added
1+1g at 3&9, still low on power and unstable. Added another 1+1g at 3&9 and was happy with it, felt stable enough.
Still felt a bit underpowered and added 2g at 12 to give it more heft, stopped there and thought it played exceptional good.
I will try a couple of more variations before settling, but I'm really happy about it.
The Kimony leather was changed to Oehms which I'm used to, Pro version to be precise. Never got the overlapping right on the Kimony and didn't like
the feel. I'm pretty picky about the grip...
Mine Ultra Pro came with silicone in the handle, maybe all do?
Specs right now is:
Weight: 337g with overgrip and dampener
SW: about 325-330, will measure next week
Balance: 32.5cm
Tom Goehring
Rookie
I find it very odd your racquet had silicone in it already grungebob. I use the Ultra Tour 18x20 and there was that 1mm thin stuff that cut right out so the hairpin was clear for adding silicone. I usually use a screwdriver to press the staples against the sides so there is no obstruction for the cotton followed by the silicone which I put in both hairpins. Look forward to hearing how your racquet plays. For my racquet I felt the foam in the head gave it ample stability as does the ample twist weight so I add my lead at 12 and let her rip at 335g all in with over grip and dampener. I use a gut main and sharp square poly cross strung with a constant pull at 43/40 because of the 18/20 pattern. When the poly is spent I cut it out and leave the gut, bump the poly to 42 for the second stringing, but switch to the other unnotched side for the restring. Gives me 6 to 8 weeks on the gut that way. I have yet to break a string on this racquet and I slam the sh&# out of the ball as a 5.0 heavy hitter.
Tom Goehring
Rookie
I have both. Apples to bowling balls. Both are great racquets. UP is old school and raw and must be modified, DR is a control tweener with a very special soft but solid and muted feel. The thicker beam of the DR is the difference. The Vcore pro 2018 black or 2020 green are more like the UP with the 2018 Black version being a bit stiff like a PS. They softened it up with the 2020 green vcore pro, but it looses something in the feedback department which is the beauty of both the black 2018 vcore pro and the Ultra Pro. Hope that helps ivanjo.
ivanjo
Rookie
Yeah... I really like how the UP feels, I don't even use a dampener. Used it once and it feels odd and dead so i took it off.
Glad to hear some feedback to my curiosity. So which one do you choose between those two @Tom Goehring ?
Tom Goehring
Rookie
The Ultra Pro. The DR with its higher swing weight and thicker beam are not really suited to my 1hbh. If I had a two hander it would be a different story. That Thin beam of the Ultra Pro really makes the deference but will always lack in the stability department but It's a trade off I can live with. People will weight 3 and 9 up till you might as well use the ever forgiving DR. There is a DR for sale on this site right now in the for sale or trade with a 4 1/4 (2) grip. These racquets always stay pricy and if you go to the bay be sure to ask if it's the 310 or the lighter 285g version. Especially if it coming from a Japan seller. Be careful on this site as well. I only buy from guys here with a track record. I've been on here since 2017. If the person is brand new beware.
ivanjo
Rookie
Yeah... I also have 1HBH and I don't know exactly the reasons are but this UP is so good and feels like home to me too. I can any stroke more confident and better result than before. Racket makes the shot easier? I feel it that way somehow.
Previously I use 2022 Ezone 100 and the thick beam with sluggish speed make me not wanting to use the racket. It's a freaking stable racket tho.
I wonder why 2HBH is more suited with thicker beam than 1HBH?
gino
Legend
Such a good paintjobBeen playtesting for about 6h and I really like the gut/poly combination. Nice pocketing and feel as expected.
I started the playtest with the racket in stock form, except leather grip. Felt very underpowered and added
1+1g at 3&9, still low on power and unstable. Added another 1+1g at 3&9 and was happy with it, felt stable enough.
Still felt a bit underpowered and added 2g at 12 to give it more heft, stopped there and thought it played exceptional good.
I will try a couple of more variations before settling, but I'm really happy about it.
The Kimony leather was changed to Oehms which I'm used to, Pro version to be precise. Never got the overlapping right on the Kimony and didn't like
the feel. I'm pretty picky about the grip...
Mine Ultra Pro came with silicone in the handle, maybe all do?
Specs right now is:
Weight: 337g with overgrip and dampener
SW: about 325-330, will measure next week
Balance: 32.5cm
Illuminatu
New User
Pictures doesn’t catch how beautiful this frame looks when moving around at a well lit court. That glossy, shimmering and color shifting paint. In love at first sight, truly.
I have a one handed backhand and in comparison to my other frame Pure Aero VS this frame feels much better. That thinner beam and the design of the throat area really makes the difference. I can be more creative and shape the ball easier. I’m hitting way flatter backhands with Pure Aero VS. Higher twistweight and thicker beam makes that I think, specs are nearly identical otherwise.
I have a one handed backhand and in comparison to my other frame Pure Aero VS this frame feels much better. That thinner beam and the design of the throat area really makes the difference. I can be more creative and shape the ball easier. I’m hitting way flatter backhands with Pure Aero VS. Higher twistweight and thicker beam makes that I think, specs are nearly identical otherwise.
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Well, I’m not saying I’m moving on from the UP16, but I may be. After testing the Volkl C10 Evo, then trying to forget how good it was, I ponied up and ordered a matched set. I’m not getting rid of the UP16 at this time, but will let the two racquets duke it out to decide which way I end up. I’m not the guy that has a bunch of different racquets in his bag, so whichever I keep, the others will be sold.
When I got the UP16 when they first released through Wilson Pro Labs, it ended years of racquet whoring. I haven’t even been tempted to think about switching … till now. Will see what happens.
When I got the UP16 when they first released through Wilson Pro Labs, it ended years of racquet whoring. I haven’t even been tempted to think about switching … till now. Will see what happens.
Pneumated1
Hall of Fame
Same here. I have a pair of UP 18x20s in my bag, Artengo TR960 Control Tours (each pattern), and a C-10 Evo. While I like the Artengos, I've made the decision they're going to have to go because I like the other two frames better.
Slight thread derail here, but what SW did you match for your Evos? This frame is amazing if you get a meatier SW (like my son's 3), but mine is pretty low. Nothing lead hasn't fixed though.
I'm with you @zipplock and @Pneumated1
The feel on the Ultra's is incredible and I have found very hard to find anything as good. The 18x20 was too demanding and low-powered.
But I decided my game is a bit more consistent with denser patterns, so after quite a while and many many string trials I think I am giving up my UP16M's.
Trying to find something in between, right now I think I've settled for the Pure Strike VS. Testing in stock form but already know (from prior playtesting) it needs lead at the tip.
The feel on the Ultra's is incredible and I have found very hard to find anything as good. The 18x20 was too demanding and low-powered.
But I decided my game is a bit more consistent with denser patterns, so after quite a while and many many string trials I think I am giving up my UP16M's.
Trying to find something in between, right now I think I've settled for the Pure Strike VS. Testing in stock form but already know (from prior playtesting) it needs lead at the tip.
I’m waiting for TW to send me the list of racquets to choose from, so I don’t have specs yet.
I did order leather grips too that will be swapped out for the originals.
I’ll post pre and post specs as well as my UP16 specs.
it was a second hand racquet
Out of my 6, 4 have had silicone in the handle on at least one side.
bobeeto
Hall of Fame
Just got my hands on one courtesy of @gold325
Had a brief hit last night with it, and was astounded how little I lost coming from an Ezone 98. It can be powerful when you need to flatten a ball, can play with spin and touch, and the feel is just light years above the tweener type rackets.
That and it’s the best looking racket of all time. Will be picking up another
Had a brief hit last night with it, and was astounded how little I lost coming from an Ezone 98. It can be powerful when you need to flatten a ball, can play with spin and touch, and the feel is just light years above the tweener type rackets.
That and it’s the best looking racket of all time. Will be picking up another
Plot twist. TW only had two racquets in the grip size I ordered. Specs were NOT a match. Cancelled my order.
Has anyone else experienced this? Last time I ordered a set with the matching service I was given the specs of 10 racquets to choose my two from.
This time only two racquets in stock, only one on order …
Maybe the universe is telling me to stay with the UP16 …
The universe has spoken, UP16 or bust. I’m about to come back full time bc it healed my wrist in 2022. I’m having wrist problems again and even though I like the power of a stiffer frame I can’t deal with an additional injury right now.
Double plot twist:
Called another company. They happened to have 3 racquets in stock. I was told 2 are identical and match stated specs. I have purchased them.
I am not confident that they are in fact BOTH a match to each other AND a match to stated spec. That would almost be an act of God (except for Yonex). I will confirm specs on receipt, keep if a match, return if not.
Let’s see what the universe is really trying to tell me …
Pneumated1
Hall of Fame
You can't go wrong with either. Don't be like me. Hold on to the UPs... and enjoy the Evos. You'll want to customize the Evos, I suspect, so even a not so perfect match could match once modified. That's the beauty of Evos and UPs.
Yes. Evo will need to be adjusted a bit (I’ll go leather grips for sure to get a bit more headlight, maybe adjust SW up a pinch).
I have learned how much difference I can feel in mismatched racquets. Here’s what I shoot for:
SW: within 2 points
Weight: within 2 grams
Balance: within 1 point
For me, if the racquets are within the above limits, I can switch between them without noticing a difference.
Pneumated1
Hall of Fame
I wish I had a way of measuring SW and need a briffidi bad. And none of my tennis connections in my area have a way of measuring.
My son's Evos are likely 10 SW pts higher than mine and more evenly balanced, stock vs. stock. Mine is very head light and whippy (stock), more like a stock UT/UP. Curious how this works out for you.
I got a call today from the shop that I ordered the racquets from. I was told the only difference between the two racquets was 1 gram in total weight, that SW and balance were identical. The unstrung weights are 314 and 315, a little higher that listed, but that’s fine since the SW and balance are the same.
Will confirm total weight and balance when I receive them.
Will confirm total weight and balance when I receive them.
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