Wilson Pro Labs: Ultra Pro (16x19) Official Thread

ivanjo

Rookie
Does anyone know the average stock strung UP 16m? TWU stated around 318 similar to Ezone98 and I felt the UP is way lighter than any EZ98 i tried
 

RNBABOLAT

Professional
Does anyone know the average stock strung UP 16m? TWU stated around 318 similar to Ezone98 and I felt the UP is way lighter than any EZ98 i tried
Why are you comparing the EZone (Power racquet) with the Ultra (Ultra control oriented)??? Maybe the balance makes you feel that the head is heavier on the ezone. Obviously just from the balance of each racquets they will feel different in hand and game. You can consider checking the balance and swingweight of each to find the right answer
 

rooski

Professional
These indeed are very different racquets. In addition to what was said above, the UP is designed to be significantly customized (true platform frame) so it starts off pretty light...whereas the ez98 is pretty decent in stock form. Comparing these racquets bone stock is probably not what you want to do. The Blade Pro is probably more comparable to the ez98 than the UP IMO.
 

Chairman3

Hall of Fame
How is the racket compared to Pure Strike VS?
Much better

More solid feeling, much more flexible/soft, more feedback.
VS probably has a little better directional control but also a lower launch angle.

Both need some weight to play better. I playtested the VS when it was released, then tried it again recently for a couple months, just couldn't get it to work for me and really wanted it to be my racquet.

So my "much better" is obviously subjective and if you like Babolats you'd probably like the VS. It just has too much Bab DNA for me.
 

RNBABOLAT

Professional
Much better

More solid feeling, much more flexible/soft, more feedback.
VS probably has a little better directional control but also a lower launch angle.

Both need some weight to play better. I playtested the VS when it was released, then tried it again recently for a couple months, just couldn't get it to work for me and really wanted it to be my racquet.

So my "much better" is obviously subjective and if you like Babolats you'd probably like the VS. It just has too much Bab DNA for me.
Can you elaborate a bit in this comparison? I've been using the VS for close to 2 years and I'm getting a bit upset by the grommets (Been too soft) and the overall quality of the frame BUT! I'm thinking if I change to the Ultra I will lose some power from the racquet but get a bit more feedback. I'm just considering everything. Thanks
 
I actually hate Babolat, but the PSVS particularly very sleek and plush. I also kind of like Strike 16x20 but we have no "special" connection. My rackets before that: Ezone 98 Tour, Prince ATS 98, Blade Pro 18x20, etc but no Babolat.

I once read somewhere in this forum that the VS is an easier Ultra Pro. So even I fall in love with their paintjob, I want to justify that they are different enough to be an investment
 

Chairman3

Hall of Fame
Can you elaborate a bit in this comparison? I've been using the VS for close to 2 years and I'm getting a bit upset by the grommets (Been too soft) and the overall quality of the frame BUT! I'm thinking if I change to the Ultra I will lose some power from the racquet but get a bit more feedback. I'm just considering everything. Thanks
Sure, if there's anything specific let me know as well.

The UP definitely will give more feedback than the VS. You will lose a little power but the feel from the UP is much more satisfying. I also never found the VS to be so much more powerful. It is pretty slight in stock form and doesn't have the power like normal Strikes either.
Someone described the upper hoop of the VS as being stiff, and I agree. In stock form, there's no power up there, kind of dead feeling or it feels a little hollow. I'd also use the age-old "tinny" kind of feel to characterize the VS, overall.

The UP just feels smoother and cleaner. I understand there isn't power outside the sweetspot but it also won't feel as "rough."
What I did like of the VS was how whippy and fast it was.
This can be true of the UP depending how you mod it.

I tried lead in varying amounts and locations on the VS and just couldn't get anything to work. For me, I just never meshed with it, so I decided it wasn't to be. I could simply pick up other racquets and play better.
Shame because the frame is a looker and I was sure it would be the perfect, microscopic middle ground between the 18x20 and 16x19 Ultra Pro's.

Again, pretty subjective, I was accustomed to the feel of the UP and the VS couldn't compete.
 
Slightly out of topic, how much of truth you (and other UP users here) find in this statement, "In modern tennis, it's much more efficient to control power rackets than to power up control rackers"

Imo in certain level of play, if you cannot control power rackets then you lack proper topspin technique. But I really (and I mean really) hate the stiffness and thick beam of such rackets, and I seem to have massive low penetrating topspin with my VS (and Ultra Tour 95 Japan with 16x20 pattern too).

Nevertheless, I kinda miss easy plow and effortless stroke of power rackets in lazy friendship rally
 

RNBABOLAT

Professional
Sure, if there's anything specific let me know as well.

The UP definitely will give more feedback than the VS. You will lose a little power but the feel from the UP is much more satisfying. I also never found the VS to be so much more powerful. It is pretty slight in stock form and doesn't have the power like normal Strikes either.
Someone described the upper hoop of the VS as being stiff, and I agree. In stock form, there's no power up there, kind of dead feeling or it feels a little hollow. I'd also use the age-old "tinny" kind of feel to characterize the VS, overall.

The UP just feels smoother and cleaner. I understand there isn't power outside the sweetspot but it also won't feel as "rough."
What I did like of the VS was how whippy and fast it was.
This can be true of the UP depending how you mod it.

I tried lead in varying amounts and locations on the VS and just couldn't get anything to work. For me, I just never meshed with it, so I decided it wasn't to be. I could simply pick up other racquets and play better.
Shame because the frame is a looker and I was sure it would be the perfect, microscopic middle ground between the 18x20 and 16x19 Ultra Pro's.

Again, pretty subjective, I was accustomed to the feel of the UP and the VS couldn't compete.
Actually I always felt the "tiny feel" in the upper part of the racquet, but I really like the other parts of the racquet I will try to find one and try to see if the 16x19 might be suitable for me. Thanks for the detailed feedback
 

grungebob

Rookie
also depends on the mounting. if you stretch the head too much when mounting itll look like that. also reverse if you mount too loose the head will look more circular
That’s just because of how the rackets are strung. Get your own strung the same way & it’ll have the same shape. I noticed this w/ my own Diadem Elevates and the one I strung to sell; mine had narrower, slightly shorter hoops because I used higher tension (56/58lbs M/X vs 52lbs all round). I also noticed this w/ my PAVS; came w/ Tour Hex 1.23 strung at around 50lb, but when I restrung at 52/54lb, the head got narrower.
I got a second hand UP 16 19. I immediately noticed that it's way more oblong and oval than my own. I'm assuming that it's because the crosses were strung very tightly compared to the mains. Is this warping something to be concerned about or will it go away with future stringings?

the most noticeable thing is that the one i got second-hand is "taller" than my other one.

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i was wondering if folks here could help me with this issue. i am consistently noticing that after i string my racquets they end up looking shorter and rounder than when i have it strung by a company (e.g. tw or direct from manufacturer). i am having the same issue with my dunlop cx 200 tour and even though i'm using the same string as when tw strung it for me (head hawk power, which i absolutely loved) i notice that i am shanking more on "reach" shots and shots towards the top of the hoop. i strung it and it looks super round now. i use a cheap gamma two point drop weight machine. normally i string the mains and crosses the same tension, but maybe i need to go up by two lbs for crosses?
 
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