Wilson Pro Labs: Ultra Pro v3 (18x20) Official Thread

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taylor15

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Yes yes, it’s the same stick as the ultra tour. It’s getting no Pro Labs love but I can’t be the only person making it my full time stick. This is an amazing stick and the paint looks better than before.

For when new UTs dry up...for when the BP swing weight is too high, for when the UP 16x19 just isn’t what you hoped for and the 6.1..well, that’s also an amazing stick..but if it isn’t for you. The time is right, welcome back to the original Pro Stock offering from Wilson my brethren!
 
I’m at leather grip with about 2.5gm at 12 right now. Swing weight still feels a little low but I’m able to really pull through the strike zone so I’m leaving it. Best serves for me since KBlade tour 93
 
Hey All - I have been playing with Ultra Pro v3 18x20 for a while now. (Switching from RF97). Modified UP has ~340 static weight, not sure about swing weight, but i did put 2g lead on 12, and ~4g total on 3/9. Racket is stable, enough power, feels amazing (as compared to RF97) but trajectory is pretty low. A lot of my forehand shots are either clipping the tape or are into the net. Strings i use are, Tour Bite 19g @ 46 in mains, Lux Gut 17g @ 48 in cross. Couple of questions to the group:

1. Does switching Gut to main and Poly to cross would help with launch angle?
2. Should i add a bit more lead to 12 (and perhaps reduce lead in 3/9) to help with launch angle?
3. Does switching to Ultra Pro 16x19 makes better sense. How is 16x19 pattern in UP compared to RF97. I know Blade Pro has tighter 16x19, but not sure if i can handle the high swing weight.
4. Has anyone switched to / from UP 18x20 to Gravity Pro 18x20 / VCore 95 16x20. If so, any thoughts on how these two compare with UP 18x20

Any inputs would be welcome.
 
mayanma said:
Hey All - I have been playing with Ultra Pro v3 18x20 for a while now. (Switching from RF97). Modified UP has ~340 static weight, not sure about swing weight, but i did put 2g lead on 12, and ~4g total on 3/9. Racket is stable, enough power, feels amazing (as compared to RF97) but trajectory is pretty low. A lot of my forehand shots are either clipping the tape or are into the net. Strings i use are, Tour Bite 19g @ 46 in mains, Lux Gut 17g @ 48 in cross. Couple of questions to the group:

1. Does switching Gut to main and Poly to cross would help with launch angle?
2. Should i add a bit more lead to 12 (and perhaps reduce lead in 3/9) to help with launch angle?
3. Does switching to Ultra Pro 16x19 makes better sense. How is 16x19 pattern in UP compared to RF97. I know Blade Pro has tighter 16x19, but not sure if i can handle the high swing weight.
4. Has anyone switched to / from UP 18x20 to Gravity Pro 18x20 / VCore 95 16x20. If so, any thoughts on how these two compare with UP 18x20

Any inputs would be welcome.
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Putting guts in mains will definitely increase launch angle. You also might try some different polys. Nonshaped polys often have higher launch angles.
 
Dishiki said:
Putting guts in mains will definitely increase launch angle. You also might try some different polys. Nonshaped polys often have higher launch angles.
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Thank you for the input. Any recommendation on a "round" poly that plays similar to Tour Bite?
 
Thanks. Sounds good. I will switch my tour bite with max power and see how it goes. May i ask - how much lead do you have in the hoop?
 
I still have this in the bag which I pull out from time to time, it's hard to beat that raw connected feel from something straight off the shelf!
 
mayanma said:
4. Has anyone switched to / from UP 18x20 to Gravity Pro 18x20 / VCore 95 16x20. If so, any thoughts on how these two compare with UP 18x20
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I did the OPPOSITE to what you asked.
From GT 18x20 and VC95 16x20 to the UT/UP18

Here are my notes

1. Thin Shaped Poly mains with Round Poly Crosses helped solve the launch angle - The UT/UP 18 has a considerably tighter pattern than both the GT and VC95. Try the soft round poly cross like Ghostwire. The mains will snap back even better and should increase L.A.

2. Went down from 17g in GT/VC95 to 18g in UT/UP18 for the same reason. You're already at 19g so won't make a difference I guess unless you go to a softer string.

3. The UT/UP18 hates pushing or power pushing, every strokes has to be completed. Weight transfer is a must. This tip probably sounds like generic nonsense that every racket needs BUT the Gravity and VC95 are considerably forgiving to armsiness, lazy footwork and incomplete strokes

4. If you hit the ball LOW on the face power loss is higher than anything else I have played. Most of my net hits came from this. Adding 3g-4g lead at 6 o clock. Some minds here find that "controversial". No harm in trying since it only changes SW and overall weight by a 1:1 ratio, doesn't effect balance really and and easy to remove if it does nothing for you

5. Shaped Poly mains with Round Poly crosses have had higher Launch Angle than Round Poly BUT I have not tried every string out there.

I have not tried the UP16 but I have been told that it loses most of the magic of the UT/UP18 by many players who are more advanced than I am.
 
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gold325 said:
Adding 3g-4g lead at 6 o clock. Some minds here find that "controversial". No harm in trying since it only changes SW and overall weight by a 1:1 ratio,
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there was someone back in the UT days that basically put a Circe of lead around the entire inside hoop. I don’t think this should be an off theory you have.

gold325 said:
tried the UP16 but I have been told that it loses most of the magic of the UT/UP18 by many players who are more advanced than I am.
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I would agree with what you’re heard. UP16 is a good frame, but after 6 months with it solely I found it wasn’t as good. Felt a bit too soft, and just wasn’t a 16x19 Ultra Tour like everyone hoped for.
 
taylor15 said:
there was someone back in the UT days that basically put a Circe of lead around the entire inside hoop. I don’t think this should be an off theory you have.


I would agree with what you’re heard. UP16 is a good frame, but after 6 months with it solely I found it wasn’t as good. Felt a bit too soft, and just wasn’t a 16x19 Ultra Tour like everyone hoped for.
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Yeah it was Anton. I picked up an 18M for that smoking price just to have one around and plan on weighting it up to my BP specs just to have another ‘holic outlet for days where I need that fix. If it takes lead around the full hoop, so be it. Not even going to try to play it sub 335SW, been there done that and what’s the point (for me).
 
tim-ay said:
Yeah it was Anton. I picked up an 18M for that smoking price just to have one around and plan on weighting it up to my BP specs just to have another ‘holic outlet for days where I need that fix. If it takes lead around the full hoop, so be it. Not even going to try to play it sub 335SW, been there done that and what’s the point (for me).
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Thanks, I couldn't remember who it was - and then tried to find it but couldn't. Knew I wasn't crazy lol. The UT/UP18 are the only frames I've sold off that I have regretted. I have since learned to at least keep one of each frame just in case, but now I'll have a few of these again. I'd like to go opposite direction on one than I usually do (leather and lead) and put a feather thin grip on, and weight in the head. Of course, two of them will be at my regular adding leather and bumping swing weight to 297 unstring.

Let me know your final specs, I could try one around 335. The Auxetic Radical I had was 335 swing weight and it was amazing how easy it was to produce a great ball with it. I didn't try to serve, but I've figured out that lighter static means more than less SW for me going over head.
 
taylor15 said:
Thanks, I couldn't remember who it was - and then tried to find it but couldn't. Knew I wasn't crazy lol. The UT/UP18 are the only frames I've sold off that I have regretted. I have since learned to at least keep one of each frame just in case, but now I'll have a few of these again. I'd like to go opposite direction on one than I usually do (leather and lead) and put a feather thin grip on, and weight in the head. Of course, two of them will be at my regular adding leather and bumping swing weight to 297 unstring.

Let me know your final specs, I could try one around 335. The Auxetic Radical I had was 335 swing weight and it was amazing how easy it was to produce a great ball with it. I didn't try to serve, but I've figured out that lighter static means more than less SW for me going over head.
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Of course it depends on what you get spec wise when the rackets show up, but do you add more weight 3/9 or at 12 on these? I'm going to really take my time with this UP and get it to something I like even if it takes a few months. I'm in Pro Labs bliss again, ha. I think you and I found similar issues with the 16M, but to be honest I never put in enough time with the 18 while you did. Pretty cool we can revisit this frame for less than 140 bucks!!!
 
tim-ay said:
Of course it depends on what you get spec wise when the rackets show up, but do you add more weight 3/9 or at 12 on these? I'm going to really take my time with this UP and get it to something I like even if it takes a few months. I'm in Pro Labs bliss again, ha. I think you and I found similar issues with the 16M, but to be honest I never put in enough time with the 18 while you did. Pretty cool we can revisit this frame for less than 140 bucks!!!
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I added weight around 3g at 12, and1.5g at each 3/9. SW I couldn't measure b/c it was pre-briffidi (I call it the dark times) and then I got too excited to try the 16x19. Since I was getting a lot of coaching, I committed to the 16m to remove variances. Looking back, I shouldn't have done that. I had better results with the 18m. I just kept telling myself the 16m would be better in the long run. Here I am, revisiting the 18m which should deliver today. Can't wait.
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naturalexponent said:
@taylor15 funny enough, Wilson already shipped the "pricing error" order they were purportedly canceling, and despite what I said in the other thread, I ordered 2 to replace that order, and what do you know, I now have 5 UP18s coming my way. Wilson is such a hot mess. As is my personal racquet inventory.
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Similar thing happened to me. Got an email first that said that my order had been canceled .Then got another email in a few hours saying it's been shipped. Oh well ...

Edit: mine did not say pricing error, just said it was canceled without giving a reason.
 
naturalexponent said:
@taylor15 funny enough, Wilson already shipped the "pricing error" order they were purportedly canceling, and despite what I said in the other thread, I ordered 2 to replace that order, and what do you know, I now have 5 UP18s coming my way. Wilson is such a hot mess. As is my personal racquet inventory.
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Yeah, my "canceled" shipment also came, and I had already ordered 2 more. I'll be sending the second order back - I definitely don't need as many racquets as I have coming in. Wilson really is a hot mess, it's almost laughable how bad they can be (looking at you mislabeled grommets)
 
Question for folks that have bought from Wilson direct before. I am assuming that if you string the racquet then you cannot return it, is that right ? Doesn’t explicitly mention this in their return policy.
 
My status on the tracking continues to read ‘The delivery date will be provided as soon as possible’ for more than 1 day now. Buyers’ experience with Wilson leaves very much to be desired, to say the very least.
 
naturalexponent said:
@taylor15 funny enough, Wilson already shipped the "pricing error" order they were purportedly canceling, and despite what I said in the other thread, I ordered 2 to replace that order, and what do you know, I now have 5 UP18s coming my way. Wilson is such a hot mess. As is my personal racquet inventory.
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Im getting ready to crown you The GOAT of Racketholics!
 
Measured my newest additions, 293.5 and 284 swingweight. Surprised at how chunky the higher one is, weight is only 306 with plastic on handle. Lower SW is 308, but 310 balance vs 314 so that makes sense I guess.
 
taylor15 said:
Measured my newest additions, 293.5 and 284 swingweight. Surprised at how chunky the higher one is, weight is only 306 with plastic on handle. Lower SW is 308, but 310 balance vs 314 so that makes sense I guess.
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My batch of 4 was similar. Had a pair at ~282sw or ~293sw. Static weight between 308-309g with balance at 31.0cm give or take 1 mm.
 
Posted mine in the holic thread-


Specs of the three UP 18M I received from Wilson today plastic still on handle-
#1- 310g, 11pt HL, 280 SW
#2- 310g, 11pt HL, 287 SW
#3- 308g, 11pt HL, 281 SW
 
Posted in the ‘holic thread too, but darn if I don’t finally understand this UP. Hit it today with a SW that finally worked for me and more lead than Gettysburg. Played very nicely. For the price, this is a great frame. Tempted to pick up another but I’m dripping in Pro Labs frames.
 
tim-ay said:
Posted in the ‘holic thread too, but darn if I don’t finally understand this UP. Hit it today with a SW that finally worked for me and more lead than Gettysburg. Played very nicely. For the price, this is a great frame. Tempted to pick up another but I’m dripping in Pro Labs frames.
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My old UTs I just put 5-6 grams of lead at 12 and the SWs were 335 (I had no idea what I was doing, just went by feel and then got them on an RDC months later).
 
Power Player said:
My old UTs I just put 5-6 grams of lead at 12 and the SWs were 335 (I had no idea what I was doing, just went by feel and then got them on an RDC months later).
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I’ve got 9 grams on it to get to 338SW. A lot of lead. But it is sweet, happy I bought it just to bask in pro labs bliss again. Looks good in the bag with 3 BPs. Ha, amazing these are the 4 frames I’m carrying around.
 
6g at 12 got me to SW 336. Surprised you needed 50% more than lead than me. But wants your goal SW?

EDIT: Nevermind. Saw you mention 338 in the other thread.
 
tim-ay said:
I’ve got 9 grams on it to get to 338SW. A lot of lead. But it is sweet, happy I bought it just to bask in pro labs bliss again. Looks good in the bag with 3 BPs. Ha, amazing these are the 4 frames I’m carrying around.
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Yeah too good of a deal. i grabbed one. Regretted selling my Ut. I now have the holy trinity of feel complete with these pro labs and the pt 2.0.

I’ll probably target around 332sw or so. I was super consistent with this frame when I was using it all the time.
 
I mainlined the UT for a long time. Mine had to be leaded up and tail weighted. My final spec was 350g and 338 SW. Funny thing is it still swings easy at these specs when I would think that it should feel like a log. Must be the thinner beam.
 
Is it pretty easy to remove the grommets from a new unstrung frame? I am wondering if there is a tool that could help me out with that.
 
Power Player said:
Is it pretty easy to remove the grommets from a new unstrung frame? I am wondering if there is a tool that could help me out with that.
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Bumper guard and top grommets, yes - usually very easy.

Lower and side grommets can be tough due to the bend. But in general, an unstrung racket can have grommets removed easily. Heat gun or hair dryer can help with replacing them back on if you run into issues. Check YouTube for videos on installing grommets
 
Soundbyte said:
Bumper guard and top grommets, yes - usually very easy.

Lower and side grommets can be tough due to the bend. But in general, an unstrung racket can have grommets removed easily. Heat gun or hair dryer can help with replacing them back on if you run into issues. Check YouTube for videos on installing grommets
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Awesome yeah, i know the basics and am only removing the top grommet, but some frames are easier to do this with than others. I am hoping it is easy with the UP because I already know how I want to set it up. Max the SW and keep the static weight pretty low. I loved that setup I did on my old UTs, but I hated having the lead on the paint.
 
Power Player said:
Awesome yeah, i know the basics and am only removing the top grommet, but some frames are easier to do this with than others. I am hoping it is easy with the UP because I already know how I want to set it up. Max the SW and keep the static weight pretty low. I loved that setup I did on my old UTs, but I hated having the lead on the paint.
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It was easy for me in both the 18x20 and 16x19 UP. These definitely aren’t Babolat pure controls or anything. Have an awl handy and you’ll be all set
 
tim-ay said:
I also wanted stability so have 2 g at 6. Seems to be what I like for this frame
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I used 3g @ 6 as well. I noticed a big drop off without a dampener in volley performance without some weight at 6. Never noticed it in any other racquet. Both units I have improved tremendously with it. Mine was a porky unit at 292SW unstrung so I ended up with only 1g each at 9 and 3 and 3g at 6 with no lead at 12 and got to 327SW (it plays like a 320SW though which is my sweet spot with other racquets)

@tim-ay - Can you measure your strung Twist weight out of curiosity? I will measure mine as well.

Soundbyte said:
6g at 12 got me to SW 336. Surprised you needed 50% more than lead than me. But wants your goal SW?

EDIT: Nevermind. Saw you mention 338 in the other thread.
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You didn't need any at 9 & 3 despite 6g @ 12. You must be hitting that centerline sweet spot very consistently and/or have a more flatter stroke (maybe a horribly bad guess?).

@Soundbyte - Can you measure your strung Twist weight out of curiosity? I will measure mine as well.
 
gold325 said:
I used 3g @ 6 as well. I noticed a big drop off without a dampener in volley performance without some weight at 6. Never noticed it in any other racquet. Both units I have improved tremendously with it. Mine was a porky unit at 292SW unstrung so I ended up with only 1g each at 9 and 3 and 3g at 6 with no lead at 12 and got to 327SW (it plays like a 320SW though which is my sweet spot with other racquets)

@tim-ay - Can you measure your strung Twist weight out of curiosity? I will measure mine as well.



You didn't need any at 9 & 3 despite 6g @ 12. You must be hitting that centerline sweet spot very consistently and/or have a more flatter stroke (maybe a horribly bad guess?).

@Soundbyte - Can you measure your strung Twist weight out of curiosity? I will measure mine as well.
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Will do, later today. I’m always a little hesitant to quote TW measurements given the error potential but I’ll take a crack. Wild guessing I think mine is similar to my BPs given the feel so guessing low 12’s
 
tim-ay said:
Will do, later today. I’m always a little hesitant to quote TW measurements given the error potential but I’ll take a crack. Wild guessing I think mine is similar to my BPs given the feel so guessing low 12’s
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My strung TW (SW1) was between 12.95-13.05 so I averaged it to 13.

Strung Specs

Weight - 335g (w/o) / 337.5g (with damp)
Balance - 320mm
SW / TW with dampener - 329 / 13 units
SW / TW without dampener - 326.65 / 13 units
with
HyperG 18 mains
Ghostwire 18 crosses
 
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