Wilson Pro Staff 6.0 85

Agreed about Wilson' strategic numbness but the 88 is absolutely DIVINE for me.

It's 95% of the advantages of the 85 with none of the baseline, longer rally shortcomings.

It's like a fusion of the classic 6.1 95 and the 6.0 85.....it's ultra-stiff, small sweet spot, thin, heavy, precise, merciless, unforgiving and oh so rewarding.....I guess that is what a cast-iron skillet feels like...to the ball especially.....haha

Perfect for me but clearly not for everyone. haha

Not sure why everyone get's this wrong, but although the head size of the 88 is small, it has one of the largest if not the largest sweet spot of any racquet sold today. It's actually very easy to hit with if you can handle the mass. It is the heaviest racquet sold in the world and it has the largest sweet spot. Get it moving and you can destroy the ball.
 
Perhaps those other sites don't have the fan base that TW has.

I think that selling these is taking a big chance on nostalgia.

What would be interesting is if this run of the PS 85 winds up outselling the K88.
 
> It is the heaviest racquet sold in the world and it has the largest
> sweet spot. Get it moving and you can destroy the ball.

The PK Ki5 PSE is 12.9 ounces so at least that one is heavier. It's one racquet that the K88 is more maneuverable than.
 
Exactly. 88 has no appeal in my opinion. It's the only racquet I've ever played with that felt like a cast iron skillet. Just awful. Although I applaud Wilson for reissuing the 6.0, they are pretty damn stupid. "Yeah, Wilson...the 6.0 is selling better than every other racquet in your line. Do you think you could perhaps learn something from that? I'll give you a hint. Slash the losers in your line (like most of them) and manufacture a 6.0 90 and 95..." God, most companies are so clueless it's painful.

Hear, hear!
 
I'm curious which retailers are selling these. TW says that it's not exclusive to them. Yesterday I went to a major retailer near me (MWTO). They didn't have it. I checked the websites of H-bird and Tennis X-press and they don't offer it on the web.....

It could be an optional thing with Wilson. Meaning Wilson is making this special run for TW, and *IF* indeed there is a big demand for it they would have the option to take orders from other resellers. Works out better for TW as well, since they don't have to eat up a bigger order on the get go.
 
I'm curious as to how many units TW had on order. IIRC, a special run order would be at least 1000 units. Those would be spread over the different grip sizes.

I know that in years past, the most popular grip sizes used to be 4 3/8 and 4 1/2 but now it seems that it's shifted to the 4 1/4 and 4 3/8. Assuming that companies make provide the most inventory in those grip sizes, it was reflected in their sales (selling out first).

Some posters seem to think that the PS85 is "selling better" than the kPS88 did, but that totally depends on the total inventory that all the retailers took up. That was a major release product. Not so for this run of PS85s.

If TW was a test market and it will be sold at other retailers like it was the last time, maybe in the fall or early next year TW is looking to get more in stock and we might see them elsewhere as well?
 
If TW was a test market and it will be sold at other retailers like it was the last time, maybe in the fall or early next year TW is looking to get more in stock and we might see them elsewhere as well?

Does this mean TW isn't necessarily selling any more? I think I saw in another thread that TW said that Wilson said that they would keep filling orders, that it wasn't a one time thing as long as people were buying, but I don't see an expected re-stocking date when I try to order one, (whereas other racquets, still in production, show a date in the grip size drop down menu).
 
Does this mean TW isn't necessarily selling any more? I think I saw in another thread that TW said that Wilson said that they would keep filling orders, that it wasn't a one time thing as long as people were buying, but I don't see an expected re-stocking date when I try to order one, (whereas other racquets, still in production, show a date in the grip size drop down menu).
TW has stated that they will be getting more stock of them in September.
 
Hey what's the rush?:rolleyes:
TW has to first place the special order, Wilson then has to submit the order to a 3rd party factory in China, the factory then has to schedule the production (as they're busy making lots of other different racquets), the workers then have to actually produce the racquets (don't forget tennis racquets are largely hand made), then they have to wait until they have produced sufficient quantities to fill a shipping container to make it worthwhile to put it on a ship and ship it all the way across the Pacific Ocean. All of that takes TIME. It isn't like placing an order for a DVD from Amazon.
 
Hi all,

So do you guys find the latest PS 85 any different than the last (discontinued, Chinese) version? I know the current ones have BLX butt caps but that should not affect the playing characteristics. But in terms of raw materials and production process, I believe there must be some differences nowadays.
 
If TW sold out of the new PS85s they must have not expected such a response from buyers. Also, I'm wondering if they bought more than 200 of them?
 
i'm killing myself right now for missing the first batch. there's nothing out there that hits as solid, precise, and that's loaded with as much feedback as the earliest 85s. the blx buttcap is a disgrace to the prostaff heritage.
 
i'm killing myself right now for missing the first batch. there's nothing out there that hits as solid, precise, and that's loaded with as much feedback as the earliest 85s. the blx buttcap is a disgrace to the prostaff heritage.

LOL, don't feel too bad; I heard the second shipment will arrive in Aug/Sep. I think almost every one hates the BLX buttcap; don't know why Wilson won't just use the plain "white" buttcaps they used for the KPS 88 (it wasn't THAT long ago that Wilson made the latter, so they could not have run out of those buttcaps so soon right? :( )
 
Hit with the BLX 85 that arrived today.

VS Team Mains 60
NXT Tour 17 cross 58

Same great stick.

Same ole pop, power, precision.

Sort of bummed there was a bunch of tiny paint chips.

But them while you can.

Loving the 85, master best box beam class.

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Hit with the BLX 85 that arrived today.

VS Team Mains 60
NXT Tour 17 cross 58

Same great stick.

Same ole pop, power, precision.

Sort of bummed there was a bunch of tiny paint chips.

But them while you can.

Loving the 85, master best box beam class.

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Well, no wonder you have paint chips.

Look where you put the racquet. :wink:
 
Well, no wonder you have paint chips.

Look where you put the racquet. :wink:

lol, breakpoint.

my TW demo finally arrived and i got a chance to hit with it for about 30 minutes tonight. i was hoping the reduced swingweight and stiffness would make it more manageable than the older versions. the difference was noticeable. however, that doesn't make up for mediocre technique. this racquet still requires solid, consistent (the operative word for me) mechanics to maximize its potential. mishits/off-center hits were less harsh, but there's definitely less margin for error (which i was expecting).

while i'm going to take it out for a couple more sessions this week, i don't see the results changing drastically enough for me to consider buying one. i'm encouraged that wilson can still make a quality racquet like this when they put their mind to it. i'd love for them to take that approach with a 6.0 95 reissue, though i realize that's wishful thinking at best.
 
If TW sold out of the new PS85s they must have not expected such a response from buyers. Also, I'm wondering if they bought more than 200 of them?

tw probably didn't take into consideration that some people would buy a whole bunch of them now and hoping to make a profit later by reselling them on the big auction site. i don't think that would work for those who did it. some people love the ps 6.0 85 but most people who love it that much already have one or more than one.
 
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Can someone tell me if the silicon in the handle is normal for a Pro Staff 85. Got one the other day, checked under the butt cap. Half filled with silicon. Will take photos soon.

Thanks.

If someone could please post a photo of their Pro Staff under the butt cap I'd appreciate it a lot.
 
lol, breakpoint.

my TW demo finally arrived and i got a chance to hit with it for about 30 minutes tonight. i was hoping the reduced swingweight and stiffness would make it more manageable than the older versions. the difference was noticeable. however, that doesn't make up for mediocre technique. this racquet still requires solid, consistent (the operative word for me) mechanics to maximize its potential. mishits/off-center hits were less harsh, but there's definitely less margin for error (which i was expecting).

while i'm going to take it out for a couple more sessions this week, i don't see the results changing drastically enough for me to consider buying one. i'm encouraged that wilson can still make a quality racquet like this when they put their mind to it. i'd love for them to take that approach with a 6.0 95 reissue, though i realize that's wishful thinking at best.
I agree. This new version swings so easily that it feels like a twig in my hands. It swings TOO easily. I might need to add some lead tape. It's also very flexy. The combination of the low swingweight and flex is making it a bit harder for me to defend against hard hit shots. It's a lot of fun playing with it though because it's so maneuverable and the thin beam and small head makes it feel like the proverbial "scalpel". :)
 
I agree. This new version swings so easily that it feels like a twig in my hands. It swings TOO easily. I might need to add some lead tape. It's also very flexy. The combination of the low swingweight and flex is making it a bit harder for me to defend against hard hit shots. It's a lot of fun playing with it though because it's so maneuverable and the thin beam and small head makes it feel like the proverbial "scalpel". :)

BP,

Does it feel a bit more like one of the original Head Prestige Mids (the original 1987 Prestige Pro, if you're familiar with it); solid but flexy and much easier to swing than a traditional 6.0 85?
 
BP,

Does it feel a bit more like one of the original Head Prestige Mids (the original 1987 Prestige Pro, if you're familiar with it); solid but flexy and much easier to swing than a traditional 6.0 85?
I would say yes, it does. It's amazing how a 12.7 oz. racquet can feel so light in my hands. This thing just slices through the air like a hot knife through butter. I would say the feel is a bit more crisp than the Prestige Mids, but that could be attributable to the more open string pattern. Much easier to swing and much more maneuverable than any of the four Tour 90 versions.
 
I would say yes, it does. It's amazing how a 12.7 oz. racquet can feel so light in my hands. This thing just slices through the air like a hot knife through butter. I would say the feel is a bit more crisp than the Prestige Mids, but that could be attributable to the more open string pattern. Much easier to swing and much more maneuverable than any of the four Tour 90 versions.

Indeed. It swings a lot lighter than the stock K90. Lead is order, perhaps on 3 and 9. I need 1/8" strips since the frame is so thin.
 
I would say yes, it does. It's amazing how a 12.7 oz. racquet can feel so light in my hands. This thing just slices through the air like a hot knife through butter. I would say the feel is a bit more crisp than the Prestige Mids, but that could be attributable to the more open string pattern. Much easier to swing and much more maneuverable than any of the four Tour 90 versions.

Sounds like the iPrestige Mid. I've got two at home but I have never been able to like it. It is more mobile and has a crisper feel than any Prestige I've used. Unfortunately, it just doesn't feel as solid and stable at the other iterations, which is why the racquets are sitting unused in my cupboard.

I've been hitting the blx 90 for the last few weeks and while I do find it a bit sluggish at times (when I need quick hands at the net and, to a degree, on serve) I am enjoying the incredibly solid and stable feel. So, while I would appreciate the lower swingweight in some departments I'm concerned that it'll detract from others.
 
For me (and it seems others) using a PS85 now has nothing to do with Sampras.

It's just nice that the history of the frame includes him.....and Federer, Connors, Courier, Krickstein, Capriati, Pierce, Evert, Edberg........
 
Re: previous question about suggested overgrip colours, how could we consider using any other colour than "Sampras" Blue? i.e a Tournagrip. Older fans may wanna slap on the "peach"/light tan coloured VS Gripsy(?).

Does this PS85 share the same grip as the K90? I found my K90 3/8 with one Super Grap blew out to an uncomfortably large size. (I think the flared base played a part) Should I go for the PS85 in 1/4 then?
 
Hi all,

So do you guys find the latest PS 85 any different than the last (discontinued, Chinese) version? I know the current ones have BLX butt caps but that should not affect the playing characteristics. But in terms of raw materials and production process, I believe there must be some differences nowadays.

I saw some said the new one is more maneuverable and flexible. I hope that does not translate to "less solid". I'll see if I can demo one.
 
I would say yes, it does. It's amazing how a 12.7 oz. racquet can feel so light in my hands. This thing just slices through the air like a hot knife through butter. I would say the feel is a bit more crisp than the Prestige Mids, but that could be attributable to the more open string pattern. Much easier to swing and much more maneuverable than any of the four Tour 90 versions.

12.7? i thought it was only 12.5. of course, it's wilson, so i wouldn't be surprised if the weights vary.

i suppose "ease of swing" is relative. i'll agree that it's easier than its predecessors and the tour 90s. i can't call it "too easy," but then again, i don't bench press 300 lbs.

if i could improve my consistency, i'd be tempted to pick one up. i've just become too accustomed to the 6.0 95 being able to compensate for my laziness.
 
I think that the swingweight is relatively modest compared to the monster sticks like the KPS and Ki 5 PSE.
 
12.7? i thought it was only 12.5. of course, it's wilson, so i wouldn't be surprised if the weights vary.

You add an overgrip and there's your 6 grams, plus the balance shifts to being more headlight......

Funny people get so hung up on specs.

If you use a full-gut stringbed, that weighs more than a thin gauge syn gut. Some people add head guard tape, big shift in weight and balance to the head.....etc.
 
You add an overgrip and there's your 6 grams, plus the balance shifts to being more headlight......

Funny people get so hung up on specs.

If you use a full-gut stringbed, that weighs more than a thin gauge syn gut. Some people add head guard tape, big shift in weight and balance to the head.....etc.

Oh yeah. And all of the complaining about quality control. I have found a long or short leather grip can throw the weight off spec.

Its easy to modify to.
 
August 28th to be exact :)

I read that the PS 85 was introduced in 1982. If/when the Aug-28 shipment sold out again quickly, are we going to get a third batch in 2012, which is the 30th anniversary of the racket?

Is there any chance Wilson will paint the racket slightly differently to reflect the special moment? :)
 
Completely agree. 85s are just a waste of time in the modern game.

People should buy and hang it on the wall along with their Sampras, Budge and Perry pictures.

Great player though, Samp. One my tennis heroes when growing up but never in a million years would I want to play with a Pro Staff. It was hideously unforgiving then, and even more so now with the heaviness of shots that your opponents in this poly dominated era.

Give people some credit. I don't think there's a huge population of players who are convinced that they're going to whip out their PS 85s and start dominating. Many want one for their collection because they have fond memories of the frame. Additionally, people just want to fool around with it for harmless fun. I'd never use it as my regular frame, but I'd love to go out and hit with it.

Also, there's a small population of players who actually could probably play with it given that they're either very good and it fits their game style, or they're playing other players (like older slice-and-dice guys) where having a "modern" bigger frame isn't really necessary.

If I had one I'd definitely use it a few times at my weekly doubles league.
 
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I read that the PS 85 was introduced in 1982. If/when the Aug-28 shipment sold out again quickly, are we going to get a third batch in 2012, which is the 30th anniversary of the racket?

Is there any chance Wilson will paint the racket slightly differently to reflect the special moment? :)

It was 1984.

My bad. I read "1982" from the Origins of the ProStaff Original page. I read it again and it should be 1983 or 1984, depending on how you look at it.

Well, a couple more years for Wilson to think about the special PJ and for me to save up.
 
You add an overgrip and there's your 6 grams, plus the balance shifts to being more headlight......

Funny people get so hung up on specs.

If you use a full-gut stringbed, that weighs more than a thin gauge syn gut. Some people add head guard tape, big shift in weight and balance to the head.....etc.

i'm well aware of those different variables (though i consider the overgrip negligible as far as its effect on playability). i thought he was talking about the general strung weight. i get "hung up" on specs only to the extent that i use them as a barometer for whether or not a racquet will be suitable/practical for me.

as for quality control, i think it's been well-established that wilson is, at the very least, sub-par. i could understand if they were modifying their grips and whatnot, but that's not the case.
 
12.7? i thought it was only 12.5. of course, it's wilson, so i wouldn't be surprised if the weights vary.

i suppose "ease of swing" is relative. i'll agree that it's easier than its predecessors and the tour 90s. i can't call it "too easy," but then again, i don't bench press 300 lbs.

if i could improve my consistency, i'd be tempted to pick one up. i've just become too accustomed to the 6.0 95 being able to compensate for my laziness.
Mine came in at 360 grams or 12.7 oz. stock, strung with Wilson Extreme Syn Gut. Still feels like an 11.5 oz. stick to me though. :shock: I could swing this thing all day long and swing it faster than any racquet I've used in recent memory, and I'm a skinny guy with no muscles. :)
 
Mine came in at 360 grams or 12.7 oz. stock, strung with Wilson Extreme Syn Gut. Still feels like an 11.5 oz. stick to me though. :shock: I could swing this thing all day long and swing it faster than any racquet I've used in recent memory, and I'm a skinny guy with no muscles. :)

I don't know how much mine weighs because my scale is in storage but I had the same feeling. It swings extremely light for me. I am gonna add weight to the bumper.
 
Sounds like the iPrestige Mid. I've got two at home but I have never been able to like it. It is more mobile and has a crisper feel than any Prestige I've used. Unfortunately, it just doesn't feel as solid and stable at the other iterations, which is why the racquets are sitting unused in my cupboard.
I think the density of the string pattern makes a big difference in how a racquet feels. The PS 6.0 85 won't ever feel just like any of the Prestiges because of its more open string pattern. I would say the PS 6.0 85 has a more "raw" and less soft feel to it than the iPrestige Mid.

I've been hitting the blx 90 for the last few weeks and while I do find it a bit sluggish at times (when I need quick hands at the net and, to a degree, on serve) I am enjoying the incredibly solid and stable feel. So, while I would appreciate the lower swingweight in some departments I'm concerned that it'll detract from others.
The BLX90 is actually the least sluggish of the four Tour 90 versions by far, IMHO. I find the nCode 90 the most sluggish, followed closely by the PS Tour 90, and then the K90 was less sluggish, and now the BLX90 is the easiest of the four to swing.
 
Mine came in at 360 grams or 12.7 oz. stock, strung with Wilson Extreme Syn Gut. Still feels like an 11.5 oz. stick to me though. :shock: I could swing this thing all day long and swing it faster than any racquet I've used in recent memory, and I'm a skinny guy with no muscles. :)

since i am also skinny with no muscles, the determining factor must be the aforementioned inconsistent technique. :???:
 
I think the density of the string pattern makes a big difference in how a racquet feels. The PS 6.0 85 won't ever feel just like any of the Prestiges because of its more open string pattern. I would say the PS 6.0 85 has a more "raw" and less soft feel to it than the iPrestige Mid.


The BLX90 is actually the least sluggish of the four Tour 90 versions by far, IMHO. I find the nCode 90 the most sluggish, followed closely by the PS Tour 90, and then the K90 was less sluggish, and now the BLX90 is the easiest of the four to swing.

Hmm, the iPrestige definitely has a sharper feel than any of the other Prestige Mids (something I didn't particularly like) so I'm not sure how I'd feel about the PS85. Personally, I prefer that heavy, 'thuddy' feel you get from racquets like the Max200G and the original Prestige Mid. No doubt it's all imagined but crisp doesn't feel as controlled to me.

I found the k90 easier to swing but I just didn't like the feel, not in the slightest. Funnily enough, it is the most popular iteration in my area whereas people haven't taken to the blx90. Never seen one of the Asian models so no idea how they compare (didn't you and BHBH use Asian blx90's?)
 
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