I am facing a dilema which raquet to go with as a seemingly new Wilson has come to light; the Six One 100 v13. One of the concerns that I have with the Six One 100 v13 is its head size (100) to compare to the one of the Wilson Pro Staff 97 v13 97 inches headsize. I like the 323 g (strung) weigth of Six One but am concerned about the larger headsize. Then, I like the smaller sized head of 97 v13 but am worried about its heavier 332 g (strung) weight. To me, the Six One 100 v13 appears to be more for the intermediate players than advanced ones and it seems the untraditional Wilson Pro Staff headsize slows its swing too. What do you guys think? Have you got experiences with the Six One 100 v13 and can you compare it to the Pro Staff 97 here on the thread, please?
Wilson Pro Staff Six One 100 v13 vs Wilson Pro Staff 97 v13
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Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
3% difference in hoop size is not an awful lot. I can't imagine it would effect one's tennis performance in the slightest. But I'm sure someone on these forums will say it does. Likely a 6 hour old string bed will produce more variation in performance than racket that's a teensy bit larger than another racket.
tomkowy
Rookie
I have played with Pro Staff 97 v13 and multiple generations of different Head racquets. This Pro Staff 100 looks like Head Extreme Tour and Speed MP had a baby.
Head Graphene Touch Speed MP with a few grams of lead has very similar specs to Pro Staff 100 (weight, mass distribution, swingweight, twistweight, stiffness). I wouldn't be worried about slow swing because both racquets have low twistweight for current standards. Graphene Touch Speed MP has good control, OK spin, decent power, very maneouvrable, quite forgiving. Wouldn't call it an intermediate-only racket. It's more about your playstyle, as this racket fits baseliners. Jannik Sinner plays with it.
Pro Staff 97 is a "classic" racquet. Very even mass distribution with low balance result in low swingweight. It's very maneouvrable too but it's harder to play because of smaller head size. It's a bit stiff (but that is a personal thing). Control is great, power is decent. Good for attacking player who can play good volleys, slices, etc. However, you need to hit the sweetspot regularly to have fun with it. It's not that forgiving.
I would go for Pro Staff 100. If you're not a 5.0+ player who plays 4-5 times a week, Pro Staff 97 will be stopping you from playing your best.
Head Graphene Touch Speed MP with a few grams of lead has very similar specs to Pro Staff 100 (weight, mass distribution, swingweight, twistweight, stiffness). I wouldn't be worried about slow swing because both racquets have low twistweight for current standards. Graphene Touch Speed MP has good control, OK spin, decent power, very maneouvrable, quite forgiving. Wouldn't call it an intermediate-only racket. It's more about your playstyle, as this racket fits baseliners. Jannik Sinner plays with it.
Pro Staff 97 is a "classic" racquet. Very even mass distribution with low balance result in low swingweight. It's very maneouvrable too but it's harder to play because of smaller head size. It's a bit stiff (but that is a personal thing). Control is great, power is decent. Good for attacking player who can play good volleys, slices, etc. However, you need to hit the sweetspot regularly to have fun with it. It's not that forgiving.
I would go for Pro Staff 100. If you're not a 5.0+ player who plays 4-5 times a week, Pro Staff 97 will be stopping you from playing your best.
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Based on specs looks like biggest difference b/t the Speed MP and the PS 100 are that the PS 100 has same swing weight and static weight (323), whereas the Speed MP has higher swing weight (328) but lower static weight (318)
tomkowy
Rookie
Yeah, but it is a minor difference in my opinion.
Add 3 grams of lead total at 3 and 9 to PS100 and you get 326 grams weight, 32,8 balance, 328 swingweight, 14,3 twistweight
Add an overgrip (8 grams) to Speed MP and you get 326 grams, 32,5 balance, 328 swingweight, 14,4 twistweight
RA is the same (64)
They are fairly similar with Speed MP having a bit more polarized weight distribution. Different variations in the same segment of racquets in my opinion. Visually the biggest difference is the shaft: shorter and more angled on Wilson.
Ryebread
Hall of Fame
the 100 v13 is worth a demo for sure
it is VERY easy to pick up and gel with.
I'm playing it at 52lbs with a co poly.
I don't have a #1 stick right now. but this one has been in the bag and used often since I got it this summer.
ground strokes feel incredible with it, pretty good on volley
whippy headlight balance. good stability, esp for the weight.
it is VERY easy to pick up and gel with.
I'm playing it at 52lbs with a co poly.
I don't have a #1 stick right now. but this one has been in the bag and used often since I got it this summer.
ground strokes feel incredible with it, pretty good on volley
whippy headlight balance. good stability, esp for the weight.
esgee48
G.O.A.T.
The Racquet-hollics thread crowd had it as a short time favorite when their PK frenzy started, so you will need to go back a few pages. IIRC, the crowd liked its whip and spin. But it was superseded by the PK variations and Yonex frames. Now they're playing Zus(s), PT 2.0 and Dunlops in that thread.
pretty much what I did sans overgrip, about 6 pts HL at 326 grams strung
AceyMan
Professional
this makes me even *more* interested in this frame—I've always liked the Pro Staff feel and I have two PS97 v11 (=> I picked up the reissue to go with the one already in the bag).
Ryebread
Hall of Fame
It’s basically an egg shaped 98 like an Ezone 98 almost. Good upper hoop stability.
AceyMan
Professional
I always trust a man who says he likes good upper hoop stability.¹
The PS97v11 is "only" 315 grams but I don't need any lead in the hoop. (PWS for the win?!).
The RA is goldilocks but it's still easy on (my) arm. Truly a sleeper frame that W should just put in the permanent, classic lineup with the Hyper Hoops that still are on the peg.
/Acey
¹‒I'm not kidding.
97 has slightly more control. 100 has slightly more power and sweet spot. If you're an attacking player, 97 is better. If you're more an all around player or defensive player, 100 is better. I like the 100 better because my defense is better with it and the weight is the most I can manage. 100 still has great stability and control. I just wish the 100 was wider, to make it easier to spin the ball.
Isn't 100 305 g unstrung and 97 315 g unstrung? I think the 97 truly is an attacking player one but gives more power and less control than the 100 one that is 305 g. You could get the 340 g 97 Pro Stuff but that's a bit heavy for my juniors.
In my opinion, the 97 CV Pro Stuff is friendlier on the arm.
the CV 315 g unstrung is my choice
Yes, those weights are correct. The serve might be more powerful with the 97. I think the 100 has more power on other strokes. The balances are different, the 100 has higher swing weight. The 100 has 1 mm thicker beam width. The 97 and 100 both have a 65 RA stiffness. I think bigger head, more swing weight, thicker beam wins out over more overall weight which is mostly in the handle (except on serve).
Always interesting how different players feel about a frame - I think the v13 100 is very easy to spin the ball (one of the easier non spin frames IMO) with and I am coming from a Blade 98s.
I sense Blade 98 305g and the Pro Staff 305 g that you guys are talking about may be closer than Pro Staff 305g and its other Pro Staff series racquets. I mean if the head is larger, the raquet's family with smaller head size series cannot match. I believe that this isn't the best attempt to produce a Pro Staff racquet that fill in the gap in between its series of 290 g L and 315 g ones. This gap's given issues to youth tennis players who've needed to trasfer into heavier raquets at ages of 12-13 but had their worries over the heavier Pro Staff 315g one. Why couldn't the producers keep the head size of the new Pro Staff 305 g the same as its other Pro Staff racquets at 97 inches?
I am glad they didn't and made the v13 100, helluva frame and as other have said plays more like a 98, IMO a very under the radar excellent all around frame
My current racket is the DR98 weighted up to 12.3oz. I had previously considered the PS97v11 while looking for a little more power (when the DR98 was only weighted to 11.8oz) and better feel over my current racket, but felt the PS97v11 had a hot spot that would launch the ball unpredictably sometimes. I haven't hit with the PS97v13, but have heard that it might have addressed the hot spot at the cost of power.
I hit with the PS100v13 and really liked the racket. Felt it had a large sweet spot, good power, good spin (especially on serve), good stability even at its stock weight and most importantly, good feel. The racket came around pretty easy even with my OHBH. Would like to weigh one up to 11.9-12oz / 6-7 points HL with my string of choice (full bed of Alu Power Rough) before committing though.
I hit with the PS100v13 and really liked the racket. Felt it had a large sweet spot, good power, good spin (especially on serve), good stability even at its stock weight and most importantly, good feel. The racket came around pretty easy even with my OHBH. Would like to weigh one up to 11.9-12oz / 6-7 points HL with my string of choice (full bed of Alu Power Rough) before committing though.
UCSF2012
Hall of Fame
If your decisions are based on specs, then buy whichever. You're doing it wrong anyway. Why don't you take both rackets to the court. Do some forehand/backhand drills. Serve drills...point, aim, fire. Based on the results, make your decision.
I have both. They're not remotely close in shot capabilities.
I have both. They're not remotely close in shot capabilities.
gloumar
Rookie
Hello ! Just started to play with this Pro Staff Six One 100, that I actually chose on paper (no possibility to test) due to its control oriented profile, though pretty versatile and accessible agressive players frame, more crisp and responsive with its 65RA than my lovely racquet of choice, Prince Phantom 100, whom I love the tolerance and comfort but lacks that "smash" power on serves and big attacks, imo (very nice balance though).
Well, I love the feeling of the racket, clearly
as one said pretty easy to spin the ball, but also to flatten shots out, thanks to the nice balance and plowthrough of the racket which really invites for going more through the ball (which I find harder and more random with the Phantom, whose higher launch angle invites for more spinning the ball agressively imo).
Don't get me wrong : you can spin ALOT with this stick, it is maneuverable and lively enough to do so with much success (though less tolerance and comfort of course than with the O3 Phantom that is unbeatable on this aspect). Yet again I think according to my feeling this frame is just an invitation by itself to penetrate the court more agressively on baseline shots, getting into the court and volleying... Which actually I was looking for
So, perfect match ?? Well, not quite totally... First, it is quite fairly playable but still more demanding on defense than the O3. Besides, despite the pleasure in the game I quickly felt some fatigue and pain in wrist and shoulder with my favourite copolys (muted copolys strung around 40lbs)... I am trying hybrids right now with multis in the crosses, it is better, but still... We are there way far from the comfort and playability territory of my O3 racket, we are in hardcore rocky mountains here
All in all, it really invites me to find ways to optimize comfort (without sacrificing much control and efficiency) to take advantage of the added value of the frame in reactivity and controlled power. I will first lower the gauge of the poly for example (1.25 for the moment).
But maybe I will have in the end to keep it as a recreational frame, and keep the O3 for competition? let's see in time...
Anyway, very glad to have bought this frame for test, I don't regret it at all, even if it does not end as my goto frame in the end
To be tested for sure!
Well, I love the feeling of the racket, clearly
as one said pretty easy to spin the ball, but also to flatten shots out, thanks to the nice balance and plowthrough of the racket which really invites for going more through the ball (which I find harder and more random with the Phantom, whose higher launch angle invites for more spinning the ball agressively imo).Don't get me wrong : you can spin ALOT with this stick, it is maneuverable and lively enough to do so with much success (though less tolerance and comfort of course than with the O3 Phantom that is unbeatable on this aspect). Yet again I think according to my feeling this frame is just an invitation by itself to penetrate the court more agressively on baseline shots, getting into the court and volleying... Which actually I was looking for
So, perfect match ?? Well, not quite totally... First, it is quite fairly playable but still more demanding on defense than the O3. Besides, despite the pleasure in the game I quickly felt some fatigue and pain in wrist and shoulder with my favourite copolys (muted copolys strung around 40lbs)... I am trying hybrids right now with multis in the crosses, it is better, but still... We are there way far from the comfort and playability territory of my O3 racket, we are in hardcore rocky mountains here
All in all, it really invites me to find ways to optimize comfort (without sacrificing much control and efficiency) to take advantage of the added value of the frame in reactivity and controlled power. I will first lower the gauge of the poly for example (1.25 for the moment).
But maybe I will have in the end to keep it as a recreational frame, and keep the O3 for competition? let's see in time...
Anyway, very glad to have bought this frame for test, I don't regret it at all, even if it does not end as my goto frame in the end
To be tested for sure!
curious about this point, can you elaborate a bit?Hello ! Just started to play with this Pro Staff Six One 100, that I actually chose on paper (no possibility to test) due to its control oriented profile, though pretty versatile and accessible agressive players frame, more crisp and responsive with its 65RA than my lovely racquet of choice, Prince Phantom 100, whom I love the tolerance and comfort but lacks that "smash" power on serves and big attacks, imo (very nice balance though).
Well, I love the feeling of the racket, clearly
Don't get me wrong : you can spin ALOT with this stick, it is maneuverable and lively enough to do so with much success (though less tolerance and comfort of course than with the O3 Phantom that is unbeatable on this aspect). Yet again I think according to my feeling this frame is just an invitation by itself to penetrate the court more agressively on baseline shots, getting into the court and volleying... Which actually I was looking for
So, perfect match ?? Well, not quite totally... First, it is quite fairly playable but still more demanding on defense than the O3. Besides, despite the pleasure in the game I quickly felt some fatigue and pain in wrist and shoulder with my favourite copolys (muted copolys strung around 40lbs)... I am trying hybrids right now with multis in the crosses, it is better, but still... We are there way far from the comfort and playability territory of my O3 racket, we are in hardcore rocky mountains here
All in all, it really invites me to find ways to optimize comfort (without sacrificing much control and efficiency) to take advantage of the added value of the frame in reactivity and controlled power. I will first lower the gauge of the poly for example (1.25 for the moment).
But maybe I will have in the end to keep it as a recreational frame, and keep the O3 for competition? let's see in time...
Anyway, very glad to have bought this frame for test, I don't regret it at all, even if it does not end as my goto frame in the end
To be tested for sure!
gloumar
Rookie
Well, the Phantom O3 is so tolerant, you just have to put the racket somewhere around the ball and you can push back a defense slice or lob very easily
I mean this tech really makes these series of rackets way way more tolerant than anything on the market I think, a 100sq kind of acts as it was a 107sq and honestly I don't understand how and why it is not more valued and spread among club players, and higher ranked players??? Really stresses the lack of pragmatism of the common player, the importance of marketing strategies and how it could get him close to his favorite champion, no matter how effective he will be in the game. Human emotion-based decision, for sure... Anyway...
So, comparing to these O3 frames I believe everything is more demanding, basically. And I just say Six One 100 has a nice feel, touch and playability, you can push some decent defense shots, but... it is less tolerant of course than the O3 (again, as any other racket on the market I believe) and therefore will bring less success in this area.
That's why I consider the Six One to be an attacking racket and option for me, forcing me to push my game forward, because... On the upside it brings efficiency on attacking shots, and also on the downside I will not be able to defend as well as with the Prince ! So, all in all, no choice there... FULL THROTTLE !!!
I mean this tech really makes these series of rackets way way more tolerant than anything on the market I think, a 100sq kind of acts as it was a 107sq and honestly I don't understand how and why it is not more valued and spread among club players, and higher ranked players??? Really stresses the lack of pragmatism of the common player, the importance of marketing strategies and how it could get him close to his favorite champion, no matter how effective he will be in the game. Human emotion-based decision, for sure... Anyway...
So, comparing to these O3 frames I believe everything is more demanding, basically. And I just say Six One 100 has a nice feel, touch and playability, you can push some decent defense shots, but... it is less tolerant of course than the O3 (again, as any other racket on the market I believe) and therefore will bring less success in this area.
That's why I consider the Six One to be an attacking racket and option for me, forcing me to push my game forward, because... On the upside it brings efficiency on attacking shots, and also on the downside I will not be able to defend as well as with the Prince ! So, all in all, no choice there... FULL THROTTLE !!!
TimePlease
Semi-Pro
Yeah, the Six One 100 is very much an attacking frame but quite weak and unstable on defense unfortunately. It makes for great tennis when you are safely within your comfort zone, playing with confidence...but when you come up against a bigger hitter, the lack of power is a real problem.
tophersuwita
Rookie
How about its comparison to Blade Pro as another attacking frame albeit a more "baseliner" racket? Is it easier? I have problem with flat serves with my BP due to its sluggishness
TimePlease
Semi-Pro
Ah I've never used a Blade Pro unfortunately, so I can't compare. My understanding is that the BP is significantly higher swingweight so yes, the Six.One 100 is much more manoeuvrable...but i think they are in different categories to be honest.
tophersuwita
Rookie
I see, and what is your string choice in the six one?
tophersuwita
Rookie
Do you use full poly or it can benefit from hybrid such as TB/Vanquish from Solinco package? I use Cyclone on my ATS 98 but Solinco hybrid on my Blade Pro 18m. Imo the 6.1 is a "pleener" so maybe full poly should be recommended for spin control?
TimePlease
Semi-Pro
It depends what you want for your style of play. When attacking, full poly is best to accentuate the control...but it's a very low powered frame and sometimes feels a bit anaemic on defense, so you might want a little more power from the strings.
