Wilson Pro Staff v13 QC

Djinn

New User
I wanted to gauge Wilson's quality control for the new Pro Staff v13. So I thought it would be a good idea to have a thread where those who purchased any one of the Pro Staff line can post the specs of the racquets(s) they received.

Please post what you received. Thanks
 

Mjolnir

New User
Placard and handle plastic removed, unstrung.

Weight: 314g

Balance: 10 HL (12 1/4” or 311mm)

SW: 290 (measured on stringer’s Babolat RDC)

Ordered direct from Wilson. Very close match to my v11 from TW where I paid the matching service to get one as close as possible to mfg. specs.

No foam, but happy as a pre-baked clam.
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Strung, VS 17 gut/Revolve 17 cross:
330g
7 HL
SW 320
 

Lxn2670

New User
Bought #1 a Local tennis store, #2 at Tenniswarehouse.
Both have a leather grip which weighs about 25g

#1 Strung weight = 342g
Swing weight= 324 (Alpha accuswing)
Balance = 318mm

#2 Strung weight = 340g
Swing weight = 315
Balance = 317mm
 

colan5934

Semi-Pro
The one I got was 312g and 31.8cm balance unstrung, so it barely made qc on the balance. Strung with ALU, the swingweight was 325
 

BigBertha

New User
Strung weight with overgrip: 340
Balance: 6 points headlight
Swingweight: 330

Wilson QC is quite bad. I have a VCore pro 310, where was delivered as per spec
 

DelPeric

New User
I got mine 315g, 31cm balance.. Just like the specs. Could not measure swingweight and stiffnes by myself. But the feeling is much stiffer when hitting than with black/white prostaff CV. Is that normal?
 

Lorenn

Professional
I got mine 315g, 31cm balance.. Just like the specs. Could not measure swingweight and stiffnes by myself. But the feeling is much stiffer when hitting than with black/white prostaff CV. Is that normal?
CV line was famous for feeling different then a classic Wilson Racquet.
 

JEDI MASTER

Semi-Pro
I got mine 315g, 31cm balance.. Just like the specs. Could not measure swingweight and stiffnes by myself. But the feeling is much stiffer when hitting than with black/white prostaff CV. Is that normal?
V13 prostaffs no longer have CV.. Counter Veil that muted the racquet.
 

CostarreraGT

New User
314g and a balance of 30.6cm unstrung. So weight on spec but balance more headlight - go figure.
I ended up liking the headlight aspect so much (easy to generate headspeed and spin in groundies as well as very good for net play) I plan to customize the soon-to-arrive backup frame to match this one exactly.
 

c0ppo

New User
I've got two of them.

1st one:
Unstrung weight: 311gr
Swingweight (strung): 310

2nd one:
Unstrung weight: 316
Swingweight: 317

I've had to customize them. A lot.
Coming from Yonex, this is a terrible QC imho.

I will sell them in a few weeks, since I've already moved on. Keeping them for one tournament, after that, bye bye Pro Staff.
 

CostarreraGT

New User
314g and a balance of 30.6cm unstrung. So weight on spec but balance more headlight - go figure.
I ended up liking the headlight aspect so much (easy to generate headspeed and spin in groundies as well as very good for net play) I plan to customize the soon-to-arrive backup frame to match this one exactly.
So update:
Got the 2nd one. 314g. Was like "YAY!".
31.5cm balance...(measured at home, will confirm at the stringer soon). Blah. No way to match it to the first one which I got used to and love without customizing both. Guess the second one will only see play time when strings break. Feels like a waste of money. Kind of wishing I had given the vcore pro a try now.
 

tata

Hall of Fame
So update:
Got the 2nd one. 314g. Was like "YAY!".
31.5cm balance...(measured at home, will confirm at the stringer soon). Blah. No way to match it to the first one which I got used to and love without customizing both. Guess the second one will only see play time when strings break. Feels like a waste of money. Kind of wishing I had given the vcore pro a try now.
Vcore pro 97 310 was in a demo I played with 2 nights ago. It was the winner for both myself and a friend amongst a gravity pro and CX200 tour 16x19. It doesn't have the plow through of a heavy player frame but feels nice, fast and precise.
 

CostarreraGT

New User
Vcore pro 97 310 was in a demo I played with 2 nights ago. It was the winner for both myself and a friend amongst a gravity pro and CX200 tour 16x19. It doesn't have the plow through of a heavy player frame but feels nice, fast and precise.
Don't tempt me. Was actually thinking of the HD version. In the end I chickened out of the switch to 18x20 and stuck with the PS line which albeit has terrible QC has incredible feel and very good control and precision.
 

spoonfed

Rookie
So update:
Got the 2nd one. 314g. Was like "YAY!".
31.5cm balance...(measured at home, will confirm at the stringer soon). Blah. No way to match it to the first one which I got used to and love without customizing both. Guess the second one will only see play time when strings break. Feels like a waste of money. Kind of wishing I had given the vcore pro a try now.
It sucks when that happens. I bought two TF40 305s, so unlike in specs they couldn't be matched. One was way to HH, too hard to swing. So I didn't use it.

On the frame TF admits to +/- 7 gram, which could mean a difference of 14 g between frames. Just crazy.

Been playing mostly with Yonex the last five years. Much better, but still, no two racquets have felt precisely the same in balance or even such a thing as grip size

Anyhow, I ended up in this thread because I recently bought av PS97 v13. It came strung.

Strung weight: 328.

So it's too light, which bugs me. Unless Revolve Spin is a really, really lightweight string?

I can not measure the SW, but it feels less HL than I expected.

Even though it bugs me it is off spec, I guess it's better this way. I can always add weight.
 

Fxanimator1

Hall of Fame
I got mine 315g, 31cm balance.. Just like the specs. Could not measure swingweight and stiffnes by myself. But the feeling is much stiffer when hitting than with black/white prostaff CV. Is that normal?
It is normal. I hated it though, maybe it was the new string pattern or whatever, but it felt really boardy to me. I much prefer the RF97 V13.
 

CostarreraGT

New User
It sucks when that happens. I bought two TF40 305s, so unlike in specs they couldn't be matched. One was way to HH, too hard to swing. So I didn't use it.

On the frame TF admits to +/- 7 gram, which could mean a difference of 14 g between frames. Just crazy.

Been playing mostly with Yonex the last five years. Much better, but still, no two racquets have felt precisely the same in balance or even such a thing as grip size

Anyhow, I ended up in this thread because I recently bought av PS97 v13. It came strung.

Strung weight: 328.

So it's too light, which bugs me. Unless Revolve Spin is a really, really lightweight string?

I can not measure the SW, but it feels less HL than I expected.

Even though it bugs me it is off spec, I guess it's better this way. I can always add weight.
Yeah if you can add weight, you're in business. Maybe simply a leather grip is all you'll need to make it heavier more headlight and feel even better.
 

CostarreraGT

New User
It is normal. I hated it though, maybe it was the new string pattern or whatever, but it felt really boardy to me. I much prefer the RF97 V13.
I loved the new feel tbh. I feel like I know exactly what I did right or wrong on every stroke. It is an extension of my hand. And directional control is much improved. Still has some inconsistency in launch angle but that is because it's a stick that rewards hitting through the ball correctly - I blame that mostly on technique and in fact after a good warm up or a few games, it goes away for me. Also I have wrist and shoulder tendonitis and I have zero issues with this stick whereas I did with other Pro Staffs.
 

spoonfed

Rookie
I loved the new feel tbh. I feel like I know exactly what I did right or wrong on every stroke. It is an extension of my hand. And directional control is much improved. Still has some inconsistency in launch angle but that is because it's a stick that rewards hitting through the ball correctly - I blame that mostly on technique and in fact after a good warm up or a few games, it goes away for me. Also I have wrist and shoulder tendonitis and I have zero issues with this stick whereas I did with other Pro Staffs.
That sounds really promising. I'm having my first hit with it tomorrow. For the last three months I've been hitting with the old Yonex SV95. It's been a lot of fun, great pace and my game has become more aggressive. But I don't feel the ball that well, I catch myself tracking it way too much after my shots. So I'm trying to get back to more control oriented racquets. This might fit the bill. Also, I have been having som wrist issues with the SV95. So it sounds good that your issues went away.

How have you strung it? I am itching to try a nice hybrid, maybe even with some natural gut, if I like the frame.

Leather grip is a possibility, for sure. Used to add them to my frames all the time, but have been trying to keep things simple lately.
 

CostarreraGT

New User
That sounds really promising. I'm having my first hit with it tomorrow. For the last three months I've been hitting with the old Yonex SV95. It's been a lot of fun, great pace and my game has become more aggressive. But I don't feel the ball that well, I catch myself tracking it way too much after my shots. So I'm trying to get back to more control oriented racquets. This might fit the bill. Also, I have been having som wrist issues with the SV95. So it sounds good that your issues went away.

How have you strung it? I am itching to try a nice hybrid, maybe even with some natural gut, if I like the frame.

Leather grip is a possibility, for sure. Used to add them to my frames all the time, but have been trying to keep things simple lately.
Well tbh after sometime I realized that any type of poly string was hurting my wrist unless I was willing to put in the time for proper strengthening (too lazy) so I switched to multis for over a year now and that helps a lot.
That said multis are usually poor options for control and spin, so the control/precision/feel oriented pro staff helps balance this off a lot. I also tried a LOT of multis (basically all the top ones) and have settled on Gamma Ocho XP 16 in the mains (somewhat inconsistent but quite potent in the spin department) and the stiffest/deadest feeling multi I could find in the Crosses which is Head Velocity MLT Black 17. It feels close to a classic hybrid but that bit more forgiving and of course won't perform at 100% as long, but it's my winning combo and I am so happy with it I have got reels of each string. Another combo I liked a lot was Velocity black 17 in mains and X-one biphase 18 gauge in crosses, with the crosses strung 2-3 lbs HIGHER than mains. This gave me a ton of spin and control without sacrificing much feel, but did tire me out quicker.
On the other hand I pinpointed that most of my shoulder pain was triggered from serving too big and the weight class of the pro staff helped with that (swinging away at flat first serves for power with lighter frames took a lot more out of my shoulder).
Oh also, the headlight balance of the PS works wonders for 2nd serves :)
 

spoonfed

Rookie
Well tbh after sometime I realized that any type of poly string was hurting my wrist unless I was willing to put in the time for proper strengthening (too lazy) so I switched to multis for over a year now and that helps a lot.
That said multis are usually poor options for control and spin, so the control/precision/feel oriented pro staff helps balance this off a lot. I also tried a LOT of multis (basically all the top ones) and have settled on Gamma Ocho XP 16 in the mains (somewhat inconsistent but quite potent in the spin department) and the stiffest/deadest feeling multi I could find in the Crosses which is Head Velocity MLT Black 17. It feels close to a classic hybrid but that bit more forgiving and of course won't perform at 100% as long, but it's my winning combo and I am so happy with it I have got reels of each string. Another combo I liked a lot was Velocity black 17 in mains and X-one biphase 18 gauge in crosses, with the crosses strung 2-3 lbs HIGHER than mains. This gave me a ton of spin and control without sacrificing much feel, but did tire me out quicker.
On the other hand I pinpointed that most of my shoulder pain was triggered from serving too big and the weight class of the pro staff helped with that (swinging away at flat first serves for power with lighter frames took a lot more out of my shoulder).
Oh also, the headlight balance of the PS works wonders for 2nd serves :)
Thanks for such an in-depth reply. I may check out some of those hybrids, have been curiois about Velocity and Biphase. I have to go to a stringer every time, though, so I don't experiment that much.

I did the table method of finding the balance point of my PS97 v13. Around 31,3 cm, which is closer to 9 pts HL than 10. Close enough, I figured, until I realized this was strung. Should be closer to 7, really. My initial feeling is proven wrong, it is even more HL than it should be.

Once again, it would have been worse the other way around. Would be nice to know the weight of the strings, though. I kinda remember a page with string weights listed but I can't seem to find it today.
 

CostarreraGT

New User
Thanks for such an in-depth reply. I may check out some of those hybrids, have been curiois about Velocity and Biphase. I have to go to a stringer every time, though, so I don't experiment that much.

I did the table method of finding the balance point of my PS97 v13. Around 31,3 cm, which is closer to 9 pts HL than 10. Close enough, I figured, until I realized this was strung. Should be closer to 7, really. My initial feeling is proven wrong, it is even more HL than it should be.

Once again, it would have been worse the other way around. Would be nice to know the weight of the strings, though. I kinda remember a page with string weights listed but I can't seem to find it today.
In my mind string weight is dependent on head size and string pattern too so just take it to a shop where they can measure all these things for us strung/unstrung.
 

muz0330

New User
Has anyone experienced the difficulty in tying-off the crosses in the 11B grommet, as per Wilson's string instructions? It's very difficult and doesn't seem right. I can get a poly (Hyper G, 17g) through, but it takes a lot of effort. A soft multi (BiPhase, 17g) is VERY time consuming and near impossible; I've surrendered and tie-off the BiPhase at 8B, which looks like the "right" grommet to use; it's wider and seems to be designed to accommodate. Thoughts?
 

Fxanimator1

Hall of Fame
Has anyone experienced the difficulty in tying-off the crosses in the 11B grommet, as per Wilson's string instructions? It's very difficult and doesn't seem right. I can get a poly (Hyper G, 17g) through, but it takes a lot of effort. A soft multi (BiPhase, 17g) is VERY time consuming and near impossible; I've surrendered and tie-off the BiPhase at 8B, which looks like the "right" grommet to use; it's wider and seems to be designed to accommodate. Thoughts?
Yeah, tying off the crosses at throat 11 seems really weird to me, to be dragging the string up that far, going past 3 holes along the way.
I tie off the mains at throat 8, the cross start tie-off at head 5 and cross ending tie-off at throat 6, which has large holes for all 4.
 

TadDavis

Rookie
Has anyone experienced the difficulty in tying-off the crosses in the 11B grommet, as per Wilson's string instructions? It's very difficult and doesn't seem right. I can get a poly (Hyper G, 17g) through, but it takes a lot of effort. A soft multi (BiPhase, 17g) is VERY time consuming and near impossible; I've surrendered and tie-off the BiPhase at 8B, which looks like the "right" grommet to use; it's wider and seems to be designed to accommodate. Thoughts?
Yes, they definitely could have made it easier. Use an awl to enlarge the hole for softer strings like multi and gut.
 

mrravioli

Semi-Pro
Yeah, tying off the crosses at throat 11 seems really weird to me, to be dragging the string up that far, going past 3 holes along the way.
I tie off the mains at throat 8, the cross start tie-off at head 5 and cross ending tie-off at throat 6, which has large holes for all 4.
I also just look for the big holes but I tied main on t6 and cross on t8 so there’s even less string overlapping in the channel. Where does wilson recommend throat 11? That doesn’t make much sense imo
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
I wanted to gauge Wilson's quality control for the new Pro Staff v13. So I thought it would be a good idea to have a thread where those who purchased any one of the Pro Staff line can post the specs of the racquets(s) they received.

Please post what you received. Thanks
I got the limited edition 100 v13 and it came in dead on at 305. The balance is close to 7pts HL strung with OG, which is what everyone else who has one has measured. Oddly the listed spec in the throat is 12pts HL, but that was clearly a mistake by Wilson.
 
I got the limited edition 100 v13 and it came in dead on at 305. The balance is close to 7pts HL strung with OG, which is what everyone else who has one has measured. Oddly the listed spec in the throat is 12pts HL, but that was clearly a mistake by Wilson.
They should have just made that one a 95 at least. Doesn't match the six one family.
 

stickM

New User
I just received a 100 in V13 from TW with a bare weight of 307.9 g and balance of 5 pts HL (advertised spec on card is 305 g and 12 pts HL). After stringing with 16 ga synthetic I like to use for racquet comparisons the strung weight is 322.4 g and bp is only 2 pts HL. Added 5 gm weight under buttcap and 5 g Wilson overwrap plus Wilson vibration damper giving a finished playing weight of 335.1 and bp of 5 pts HL. Thoughts???
 
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spoonfed

Rookie
An update regarding my two sticks. I just got them matched, and got these interesting stats. The good guys at the matching service, which are working right here in my town, are in possesion of a swing weight machine and twist weight machine.

Before matching process.

PS97 v13 #1
315,3 g
307,5 mm
SW 282,5 kg*cm^2
TW 12,5 kg*cm^2

PS97 V13 #2
312,7 g
307,0 mm
SW 281,5 kg*cm^2
TW 11,0 kg*cm^2

As you can see, they are both under spec regarding SW. The heavier one as well. Instead, the heavy one has a far to hefty twist weight. Therefore the end result looks like this. Both sticks now have the following identical specs:

332,4 g
319,0 mm
SW 317,5 kg*cm^2
TW 16,5 kg*cm^2

They swing identical, more or less, but the feeling at impact is a bit different since all the lead at 3 and 9 on the lighter racquet. Anyhow, I am very pleased with the work they did on the racquet. However, I am not so pleased - as so many here - regarding the QC at Wilson. I don't care that it is a well known fact that it sucks.

I like how these frames play, but a twist weight of 16.5, on a frame in stock form? It should be around 14.3, if I am correct. That is a huge difference. And I can sure feel it when I try to put spin on a short ball.
 
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