Wilson Pro Stock Line

Uncoil

Semi-Pro
*Pros often customize the racqket they use. Racket specifications on endorsed consumer models may vary from the models used by Pros for match-play.
 

tennisBIEST

Professional
Just seems to me that these pro lab frames are classic graphite racquets with no bull marketing tech but a big price tag no? Seems like Head nailed the pricing with their classic graphite release of the Pro Tour 2.0 at $159. Just saying!
 

BoxbeamsFTW

Semi-Pro
Wilson let me know the Ultra Pro 16x19 will be available 10/10. They said it was held up at their port.
Thanks! Sounds kinda super weird at first from them. But with these global conditions, since the Ultra Pro 16x19 is actually new with the string pattern and the v3 18x20 has been out for awhile, not actually that strange.

Although, I did notice when the site first went up, only the Blade Pros were listed as new. They only later listed the 6.1 as new too.
 

topspn

Legend
btw.. v6 blade was 6.2 SI/65 RA and new is 7.9 SI/62RA... so these blade pros at 7.2 bound to be in the middle... 63-64 which makes sense given Head Speed MP with similar SI is there too... we may have solved the RA mystery now to the SW mystery...
Interesting, only clue we have to go on at the moment
 

BoxbeamsFTW

Semi-Pro
btw.. v6 blade was 6.2 SI/65 RA and new is 7.9 SI/62RA... so these blade pros at 7.2 bound to be in the middle... 63-64 which makes sense given Head Speed MP with similar SI is there too... we may have solved the RA mystery now to the SW mystery...
That RA and flex could also go further down when you add weight. 63 platform stock would sound good to me.
 

haqq777

Legend
For all those who think UP 16x19 is sold out, it is not. From the time the website was up (based on several findings and google cache) it was never in stock to begin with.

@haqq777 since you were on call with Wilson, did they say anything about this out of stock UP 16x19
Just asked, will posts as soon as I hear back anything.
They will be available on 10/10. Wilson just confirmed.

 

zipplock

Hall of Fame
I've never hit the H19 or UT/UP. I have every reason to believe they are all the same H19 mold though. As you know that is only part of the equation. I cannot confirm the layup on the new Ultra Pros though I think they will be similar to the existing UT/UP. Anecdotally it seems current UT/UP users are very happy with the low 60s strung flex. I have not seen any reviewer that I trust complain about comfort or feel. If anything most people are adding weight to the hoop to increase plow and stability as expected for a thin-beamed, relatively flexible frame. I have seen true H19 prostocks on the secondary market with high/low 50s flex but I do not think that is a feasible layup for most consumers. Those super flexy H19s need a lot of SW and/or static weight to compensate for their inherent lack of power and stability.
That's great. I liked the UT, just not in an 18x20, which is why I'm excited for this. Low 60s RA is awesome for me. I weight up these racquets to about 345gm strung anyways so the lower weight is also preferable.
 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
This hype really reminds me of the hype last year around the Clash and that it was the racquet everybody wanted. But now on this forum all they want to know if it used by real pros and if not their interest fades away.
Why buy a h22 if it is a copy of a Head? You all this time waited for a h22 like model but you could have bought it already years ago for maybe less money too.
And than you have to change this Wilson grip because it is square which is worse than a rectangular Head grip.
 
This hype really reminds me of the hype last year around the Clash and that it was the racquet everybody wanted. But now on this forum all they want to know if it used by real pros and if not their interest fades away.
Why buy a h22 if it is a copy of a Head? You all this time waited for a h22 like model but you could have bought it already years ago for maybe less money too.
And than you have to change this Wilson grip because it is square which is worse than a rectangular Head grip.
paintjob > performance
perception > reality
new > old

anything else to add?
 

esm

Hall of Fame
Ok, after lots of nagging, they simply don’t use RDC so don’t have numbers for RA and SW. This is their last message to me


OK just got a reply. He said that the swingweight is also measured on the same RDC machine which we do not use.
So the Wilson dude is tell us they don’t measure the SW and RA on their “premium” lines of racquets? Or is he trying to avoid providing these info by saying... “you are asking the SW and RA figures from the RDC, but I can give them to you, because we use other devices and not the RDC that was produced by one of our competitors, Babolat...”:-D

(Genuine q - does Wilson produce a racquet diagnostic machine/device they use to measure SW and RA for their R&D department?)
 

esm

Hall of Fame
*Pros often customize the racqket they use. Racket specifications on endorsed consumer models may vary from the models used by Pros for match-play.
Does this mean their QC of +/- 7 of whatever doesn’t apply to their pro lab lines? Lol
 

Artreddy

Rookie
So the Wilson dude is tell us they don’t measure the SW and RA on their “premium” lines of racquets? Or is he trying to avoid providing these info by saying... “you are asking the SW and RA figures from the RDC, but I can give them to you, because we use other devices and not the RDC that was produced by one of our competitors, Babolat...”:-D

(Genuine q - does Wilson produce a racquet diagnostic machine/device they use to measure SW and RA for their R&D department?)
Agreed to most, but realistically speaking they don't have to use Babolat RDC. If industry guidelines are formed and units were in put place for measuring stiffness, all measuring instruments would probably measure the stiffness in the same fashion. RA is proprietary to Babolat and they would have to officially publish their method to be accepted by the industry, which I think didn't happen. Somebody on this forum was showing a relation between SI index and RA, prolly that's the best way to go around if you really want the RA number.
 

esm

Hall of Fame
Agreed to most, but realistically speaking they don't have to use Babolat RDC. If industry guidelines are formed and units were in put place for measuring stiffness, all measuring instruments would probably measure the stiffness in the same fashion. RA is proprietary to Babolat and they would have to officially publish their method to be accepted by the industry, which I think didn't happen. Somebody on this forum was showing a relation between SI index and RA, prolly that's the best way to go around if you really want the RA number.
Yes I agree. Hence their initial response that they don’t have the SW and RA cos they simply don’t use an RDC... which makes perfect sense.
I have seen their Si figure and I am sure the conversion and be close enough to what we need.
just wished they’d come up/provide these info at the launch without us having to ask. Lol
 

topspn

Legend
So the Wilson dude is tell us they don’t measure the SW and RA on their “premium” lines of racquets? Or is he trying to avoid providing these info by saying... “you are asking the SW and RA figures from the RDC, but I can give them to you, because we use other devices and not the RDC that was produced by one of our competitors, Babolat...”:-D

(Genuine q - does Wilson produce a racquet diagnostic machine/device they use to measure SW and RA for their R&D department?)
My limited understanding is the babolat RDC which is widely used and understood is not used by Wilson. They apparently use something called SI machine which is there’s and it does not give values in terms of RA and SW.
 

zipplock

Hall of Fame
This hype really reminds me of the hype last year around the Clash and that it was the racquet everybody wanted. But now on this forum all they want to know if it used by real pros and if not their interest fades away.
Why buy a h22 if it is a copy of a Head? You all this time waited for a h22 like model but you could have bought it already years ago for maybe less money too.
And than you have to change this Wilson grip because it is square which is worse than a rectangular Head grip.
My understanding is that H19/22 was Wilson's attempt at improving the Head, not simply copying ... I like improved things.
 

esm

Hall of Fame
My understanding is that H19/22 was Wilson's attempt at improving the Head, not simply copying ... I like improved things.
But... the million dollar question... (& a genuine q) did Wilson succeed in improving the Head though with their so called H22/H19 pro stock prior to the launch of their latest pro lab lines?
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
But... the million dollar question... (& a genuine q) did Wilson succeed in improving the Head though with their so called H22/H19 pro stock prior to the launch of their latest pro lab lines?
Yes. The Ultra Tour is easier to use than an older prestige 18x20. I think it's personal preference if you like them over Head frames though.

I personally think the H22 is one of the best frames I have hit with and always wanted one - I just didn't want to pay the asking price or go through the pain of tracking them down.
 

Blakefan17

Rookie
Does anyone know why TW won't be stocking any of these frames? Seems like a missed opportunity for Wilson from a sales perspective, I would wager that TW could sell a bunch of the H19's without cannibalizing sales elsewhere. I'd also hazard a guess that TW could sell considerably more H19's than Clash 100UL, Blade v7 104, Ultra 108 etc.

Also, given that several pros (Khachanov, Opelka, Edmund, etc.) are now publicly endorsing this new 'collection' on the Wilson website don't you think that TW should remove these players from the list of pros endorsing / using the PS97? Doesn't make sense to me to maintain the facade on TW when manufacturers have moved on..
 

Artreddy

Rookie
Agreed money and sponsorships matter. As a customer I am glad to know there is Pro Tour 2.0 (not exactly the PT57A..as told by many) and Pro Labs is doing something along the same lines (prolly earlier than Head by giving us the UT). At least gives me a chance to just buy off the shelf and try it.
 

Artreddy

Rookie
Does anyone know why TW won't be stocking any of these frames? Seems like a missed opportunity for Wilson from a sales perspective, I would wager that TW could sell a bunch of the H19's without cannibalizing sales elsewhere. I'd also hazard a guess that TW could sell considerably more H19's than Clash 100UL, Blade v7 104, Ultra 108 etc.

Also, given that several pros (Khachanov, Opelka, Edmund, etc.) are now publicly endorsing this new 'collection' on the Wilson website don't you think that TW should remove these players from the list of pros endorsing / using the PS97? Doesn't make sense to me to maintain the facade on TW when manufacturers have moved on..
Not sure but they don't even have the new Ultra Tour version to start with.
 

taylor15

Professional
Hitting tonight with Ultra Tour and new Ultra Pro v3

That’s a nice looking frame! Hope you enjoy it, I’m over here waiting on my 6.1 to get here.
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Thanks a lot, I’m really excited to hit with it tonight! Awesome you already put leather on it bc I’m waiting on a Wilson grip for the UT. The 6.1 line is awesome, I played them for a few years back in college.
 

lidoazndiabloboi

Hall of Fame
An honest question here. I'm curious to why everyone is hyped up about the Ultra Pro 16x19.

I've had the H19 16x19 before, and only thought it was okay, so I ended up selling it.
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
An honest question here. I'm curious to why everyone is hyped up about the Ultra Pro 16x19.

I've had the H19 16x19 before, and only thought it was okay, so I ended up selling it.
Open pattern Prestige is always a frame that grabs some interest.

But if you already had one, then you are ahead of most folks here. Most of us are still guessing what ours will weigh when they show up, lol.
 

jangotango

Semi-Pro
An honest question here. I'm curious to why everyone is hyped up about the Ultra Pro 16x19.

I've had the H19 16x19 before, and only thought it was okay, so I ended up selling it.
Don't give us anymore buyer's remorse. On paper though it seems like the TT'er perfect stick. Thin beam, low flex, 16x19, platform for customization...

I've never bought a racquet over $100 and kept it, always bought used or resold new ones... Interesting to see how this will play out.
 

Gee

Hall of Fame
An honest question here. I'm curious to why everyone is hyped up about the Ultra Pro 16x19.

I've had the H19 16x19 before, and only thought it was okay, so I ended up selling it.
Did you customize it?
Does the H19 16x19 have a dense or more open 16x19 string pattern?
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
An honest question here. I'm curious to why everyone is hyped up about the Ultra Pro 16x19.

I've had the H19 16x19 before, and only thought it was okay, so I ended up selling it.
I'm probably in the minority here that hopes it comes with the same layup and stiffness as the current UT (low 60s) because then it will already play with more energy at a lighter weight than what I've read about the H19 16x19 pro stocks. I hit the UT and would welcome that exact frame with a fraction more power. That's why I'd buy it, if I buy it.
 

zipplock

Hall of Fame
But... the million dollar question... (& a genuine q) did Wilson succeed in improving the Head though with their so called H22/H19 pro stock prior to the launch of their latest pro lab lines?
I won't know till I try .... have experience with the Prestige line so I think I'll be able to draw my own conclusion. BTW, currently playing the GT Prestige Pro.
 
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