Wilson Pro Stock Line

An honest question here. I'm curious to why everyone is hyped up about the Ultra Pro 16x19.

I've had the H19 16x19 before, and only thought it was okay, so I ended up selling it.
Could you share the specs you had? Also could you compare the power to some other rackets?
I guess many want it because they like the UT but would like a little more power with the same feel and comparable control.... At least that is why I want it..
 

Artreddy

Rookie
Could you share the specs you had? Also could you compare the power to some other rackets?
I guess many want it because they like the UT but would like a little more power with the same feel and comparable control.... At least that is why I want it..
UP 16x19 is more open (6 mains in the throat) compared to Blade Pro 16x19 (8 mains in the throat), so I guess they both play differently.
 

pumpkinpi

Rookie
hey wait so September is almost over, is this happening or not? Like besides getting stuff from prostocktennis.com are we gonna be able to buy Wilson Pro Stock?
 
btw.. v6 blade was 6.2 SI/65 RA and new is 7.9 SI/62RA... so these blade pros at 7.2 bound to be in the middle... 63-64 which makes sense given Head Speed MP with similar SI is there too... we may have solved the RA mystery now to the SW mystery...
this might be a deal breaker for some like me who prefer flexier frames..
i think most pro stock H22 and H19 come in around 57 RA?
 

slal1984

Semi-Pro
I’m going to ask a silly question here, but how would the pro stock 16x19 play vs the stock one? I see the beam is thicker and it’s more HL.
 

Blakefan17

New User
this whole thing is so weird... you go to Wilson website... There is nothing about this launch. You go to Wilson Tennis... there is nothing about this launch.. it's like you have to know exactly where to go...
It's as if they released these frames for the 30 or so folks closely monitoring this thread lol
 

bogdan101

Rookie
It's as if they released these frames for the 30 or so folks closely monitoring this thread lol
Word of mouth advertising... I don't think they intend to sell large volumes of these frames, and also not upset their marketing pushing their large market lines. This is just to pull the rug from under the grey market in Wilson pro stocks.
 

hotasice

Semi-Pro
If anyone else in the EU wants to check the entire Pro Labs racquet collection available without using search, just use the country specific variations of the link I got from the user below. You just had to put in your own country in the link.

France:
Germany:
Spain:
Italy:

No love for Canada (and Mexico), South America, Asia-Pacific, and Africa it seems. Also Russia maybe...



(There was another post by the same user a couple pages back but this seems like the one people noticed.)

290 euro for the new 6.1?! The paint job looks amazing but that's some serious cash for a frame that was selling for <$100 US when TW was clearing out the k 6.1 95 re-issue. It'll be interesting to hear from those who have purchased it as to how it feels.
 

taylor15

Semi-Pro
290 euro for the new 6.1?! The paint job looks amazing but that's some serious cash for a frame that was selling for <$100 US when TW was clearing out the k 6.1 95 re-issue. It'll be interesting to hear from those who have purchased it as to how it feels.
Coming from an ex K6.1 player, this frame has to feel better. I played those for years but am the first to admit that most other iterations feel better
 
290 euro for the new 6.1?! The paint job looks amazing but that's some serious cash for a frame that was selling for <$100 US when TW was clearing out the k 6.1 95 re-issue. It'll be interesting to hear from those who have purchased it as to how it feels.
My sentiments exactly! Head released a revamped PT 2.0 at $159. So even if Wilson tweaked the layup, it's still a racquet that's been made available to the consumer. At $249 plus tax and string you're pushing $300! Is glossy paint that expensive??
 

hotasice

Semi-Pro
Coming from an ex K6.1 player, this frame has to feel better. I played those for years but am the first to admit that most other iterations feel better

My favorite 6.1 is the nCode but i do have the k factor version too. I know the k factor version isn't the most popular but I enjoy it. Strung with gut/ poly hybrid it feels great to me. Somehow the 18x20 kfactor feels less harsh to me than the 16x18
 

Phantasm

Semi-Pro
I hope Head is watching this thread.
Why? It's just a very hyped minority interested in these frames. Like others have pointed out, there is little to no marketing done by Wilson on this "new line." It's not even that easy to get to this prolabs minisite unless you have a direct link or know exactly what you're looking for. Also, almost every single Head pro stock frame has had a retail counterpart, so if you want to play with X players frame, with some digging you can find out what to buy. Unless you want them to release retail versions of the PT346, PT113b or some of their very few non-retail pro-stocks, which is highly unlikely.

On another note, which is quite ironic coming from a H22 lover like me, I'm amazed how much of a cult following the H22 and H19 has sometimes. Especially considering the H22 was only used to win 1 Grand Slam singles title (Novak's AO title with Wilson). Then the only players in the ATP top 100 that I know that are rocking the H22 currently are Carreno Busta, Kachanov, Sandgren, and Pospisil... Then H19, the only "mainstream" players I can think of rocking it are Monfils and Keys. I guess the elusiveness and exclusiveness plays a big factor.
 

Addxyz

Professional
hey wait so September is almost over, is this happening or not? Like besides getting stuff from prostocktennis.com are we gonna be able to buy Wilson Pro Stock?
These may not be the actual pro stock but just same mold / layup change similar to the Ultra Tour / Ultra Pro.
 

zipplock

Hall of Fame
These may not be the actual pro stock but just same mold / layup change similar to the Ultra Tour / Ultra Pro.
If they are from the same mold then they are the same as pro stock. Pro stock doesn't mean one flex, one balance, etc. There can and are multiple versions of the same racquet, all pro stock (some stiffer, some flexier, some more head light, some more head heavy, etc).
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
Why? It's just a very hyped minority interested in these frames. Like others have pointed out, there is little to no marketing done by Wilson on this "new line." It's not even that easy to get to this prolabs minisite unless you have a direct link or know exactly what you're looking for. Also, almost every single Head pro stock frame has had a retail counterpart, so if you want to play with X players frame, with some digging you can find out what to buy. Unless you want them to release retail versions of the PT346, PT113b or some of their very few non-retail pro-stocks, which is highly unlikely.

On another note, which is quite ironic coming from a H22 lover like me, I'm amazed how much of a cult following the H22 and H19 has sometimes. Especially considering the H22 was only used to win 1 Grand Slam singles title (Novak's AO title with Wilson). Then the only players in the ATP top 100 that I know that are rocking the H22 currently are Carreno Busta, Kachanov, Sandgren, and Pospisil... Then H19, the only "mainstream" players I can think of rocking it are Monfils and Keys. I guess the elusiveness and exclusiveness plays a big factor.
I agree, but I also think that a power baselining frame that is not stiff is a big appeal as well. That's really what always drew me to the H22. There's nothing quite like it. The old Radicals it copied were not as powerful.

Playing like pros who are in their athletic prime is not very realistic so I never got too into that. I think pro tennis won more with strong mentality and elite fitness, and these guys can win with most racquets of they like them enough to spend time to adjust. These guys all have insane technique, even after the top 500.
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
this whole thing is so weird... you go to Wilson website... There is nothing about this launch. You go to Wilson Tennis... there is nothing about this launch.. it's like you have to know exactly where to go...
Exactly why this board is where the Available Market (pretty much) ends...
 

topspn

Legend
Why? It's just a very hyped minority interested in these frames. Like others have pointed out, there is little to no marketing done by Wilson on this "new line." It's not even that easy to get to this prolabs minisite unless you have a direct link or know exactly what you're looking for. Also, almost every single Head pro stock frame has had a retail counterpart, so if you want to play with X players frame, with some digging you can find out what to buy. Unless you want them to release retail versions of the PT346, PT113b or some of their very few non-retail pro-stocks, which is highly unlikely.

On another note, which is quite ironic coming from a H22 lover like me, I'm amazed how much of a cult following the H22 and H19 has sometimes. Especially considering the H22 was only used to win 1 Grand Slam singles title (Novak's AO title with Wilson). Then the only players in the ATP top 100 that I know that are rocking the H22 currently are Carreno Busta, Kachanov, Sandgren, and Pospisil... Then H19, the only "mainstream" players I can think of rocking it are Monfils and Keys. I guess the elusiveness and exclusiveness plays a big factor.
Yes agree with your points here. Of course, professional athletes that have been building up their skills since they were kids and are dedicating hours a day to their training will always be a level we can only dream of. So H22 or not, is not truly what will make any of our games. Best we can hope for is gelling with a frame that allows us to play our best and enjoy our tennis. Trying out different frames exposes you to so many variables and you get a better feel for what works for you and what doesn’t. I am trying this H22 purely on reputation and basic specs. If i like it enough, it will remain in my collection or I’ll sell.
 

zipplock

Hall of Fame
Yes agree with your points here. Of course, professional athletes that have been building up their skills since they were kids and are dedicating hours a day to their training will always be a level we can only dream of. So H22 or not, is not truly what will make any of our games. Best we can hope for is gelling with a frame that allows us to play our best and enjoy our tennis. Trying out different frames exposes you to so many variables and you get a better feel for what works for you and what doesn’t. I am trying this H22 purely on reputation and basic specs. If i like it enough, it will remain in my collection or I’ll sell.
There's many people that have tried pro stock and not liked them. Ultimately a racquet should match your game, but we won't know if these fit till we try, and up till now it's very cost prohibitive to try.
 

Phantasm

Semi-Pro
I agree, but I also think that a power baselining frame that is not stiff is a big appeal as well. That's really what always drew me to the H22. There's nothing quite like it. The old Radicals it copied were not as powerful.

Playing like pros who are in their athletic prime is not very realistic so I never got too into that. I think pro tennis won more with strong mentality and elite fitness, and these guys can win with most racquets of they like them enough to spend time to adjust. These guys all have insane technique, even after the top 500.
Yes agree with your points here. Of course, professional athletes that have been building up their skills since they were kids and are dedicating hours a day to their training will always be a level we can only dream of. So H22 or not, is not truly what will make any of our games. Best we can hope for is gelling with a frame that allows us to play our best and enjoy our tennis. Trying out different frames exposes you to so many variables and you get a better feel for what works for you and what doesn’t. I am trying this H22 purely on reputation and basic specs. If i like it enough, it will remain in my collection or I’ll sell.
Agree with both your points here. I stuck with it cause I loved the blend of power and feel.

My post was more agreeing that I'm surprised that this frame got its popularity based more on reputation/user feedback/ word of mouth rather than results or who's swinging it on the pro tour, a la Original APD (not a prostock I know), PT57A/PT630, etc.

The reputation is probably proof enough that it's a solid frame to at least try out now that it's more accessible. In the end though, it's just another tennis racquet and not a magic wand; some will like it and some not. I really hope I like mine and they're keepers (I'm looking at you Wilson QC...)
 

topspn

Legend
Agree with both your points here. I stuck with it cause I loved the blend of power and feel.

My post was more agreeing that I'm surprised that this frame got its popularity based more on reputation/user feedback/ word of mouth rather than results or who's swinging it on the pro tour, a la Original APD (not a prostock I know), PT57A/PT630, etc.

The reputation is probably proof enough that it's a solid frame to at least try out now that it's more accessible. In the end though, it's just another tennis racquet and not a magic wand; some will like it and some not. I really hope I like mine and they're keepers (I'm looking at you Wilson QC...)
Will be very curious to get your impression on this release compared to H22 you have. I will try mine without the benefit of ever hitting an H22 before.
 

jason n

Rookie
Is the blade paint job new or is there a new one coming for 2021?

I asked Wilson if this is limited release or if there will be future paint jobs and they only replied “Not limited release as of now”. Just curious cause I’m not in love with the paint job on the Blade Pro and might wait for the next release.
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
Agree with both your points here. I stuck with it cause I loved the blend of power and feel.

My post was more agreeing that I'm surprised that this frame got its popularity based more on reputation/user feedback/ word of mouth rather than results or who's swinging it on the pro tour, a la Original APD (not a prostock I know), PT57A/PT630, etc.

The reputation is probably proof enough that it's a solid frame to at least try out now that it's more accessible. In the end though, it's just another tennis racquet and not a magic wand; some will like it and some not. I really hope I like mine and they're keepers (I'm looking at you Wilson QC...)
Yeah quite honestly, I expect it to be a fairly advanced frame. What I'd love is something that can get close to the Pure drive in power and spin. If I can get close to that, the feel and comfort will make it a winner for me.
 

Zoolander

Hall of Fame
My limited understanding is the babolat RDC which is widely used and understood is not used by Wilson. They apparently use something called SI machine which is there’s and it does not give values in terms of RA and SW.
For those interested go back a few pages to the Wilson video that was listed. They dont have a “S.I” machine, they use a mitutoyo digital indicator that measures tip deflection when a weight of 2.8kg is suspended from the racquet when the racquet is clamped on the handle. It simply measures the tip deflection in mm, ie the clash deflected to 11.2mm i think so that becomes its “S.I” rating. The RDC clamps the handle but also has a bar under the top of the throat, which to me indicates it will really only test flex in the upper half of the racquet. Wilson claim their method is better as its more representative of how the racquet truly flexes on impact.

How closely they stick to their own “S.I” rating who knows, but i would guess these will prob have a flex around 63-64RA as others have said.... 62-63 is perfect for me so thats something.
 

Phantasm

Semi-Pro
Will be very curious to get your impression on this release compared to H22 you have. I will try mine without the benefit of ever hitting an H22 before.
Personally, I honestly think that's the better approach without going in with a lot/if any previous impression, bias, or expectation. Who cares if the Blade pro plays like someone else's H22 or not? If you like the Blade pro enough to switch, do it! I don't think your opinion should be formed on how it plays compared to its non-retail counterpart. If it doesn't gel with you, sell it and you lose a bit of money reselling it, and you basically paid to demo the frame.

In my case, I'm hoping it plays the same so I can have more stocked up in the bag and I don't have to deal with gray market/secondhand prices. Further, I can buy directly from Wilson if I ever need more. If not, I'm just stuck with what I have and buying some more for a much higher price tag if I ever need more.

To your point, I shall attempt to give my best unbiased comparison for the purpose of sharing information. I'm cautiously optimistic this retail release mirrors what I own already (barring terrible QC), so I hope I won't have any bias that my non-retail versions feel better. If anything, the bias might come from just familiarity swinging from what I've been swinging for the past 1.5-2 years vs swinging a brand new racquet and just liking what I'm more used to...I don't have an RDC machine and I'm no stiffness feeling guru, so I won't be able to provide any input there. Thinking of going to Home Depot this weekend and build a jig like @Irvin did so I can try to measure the unstrung SW using the Swingtool app though so I can measure as many specs as I can before stringing it up and making it unreturnable.
 

Blakefan17

New User
Why? It's just a very hyped minority interested in these frames. Like others have pointed out, there is little to no marketing done by Wilson on this "new line." It's not even that easy to get to this prolabs minisite unless you have a direct link or know exactly what you're looking for. Also, almost every single Head pro stock frame has had a retail counterpart, so if you want to play with X players frame, with some digging you can find out what to buy. Unless you want them to release retail versions of the PT346, PT113b or some of their very few non-retail pro-stocks, which is highly unlikely.

On another note, which is quite ironic coming from a H22 lover like me, I'm amazed how much of a cult following the H22 and H19 has sometimes. Especially considering the H22 was only used to win 1 Grand Slam singles title (Novak's AO title with Wilson). Then the only players in the ATP top 100 that I know that are rocking the H22 currently are Carreno Busta, Kachanov, Sandgren, and Pospisil... Then H19, the only "mainstream" players I can think of rocking it are Monfils and Keys. I guess the elusiveness and exclusiveness plays a big factor.
Very interesting take! I've never touched an H19 or an H22 - just totally curious about the hype that all of you guys have on them. IMO what is so intriguing about all of this buzz is the notion that average joes like me could play with a racquet with the same layup as a pro player.

Regarding the current tour pros, does that mean people like Tsitsipas, Raonic, Goffin etc. are just using stock v7 Blade's or older 18x20 stock Blades? Or do they still have custom layup?
 

topspn

Legend
For those interested go back a few pages to the Wilson video that was listed. They dont have a “S.I” machine, they use a mitutoyo digital indicator that measures tip deflection when a weight of 2.8kg is suspended from the racquet when the racquet is clamped on the handle. It simply measures the tip deflection in mm, ie the clash deflected to 11.2mm i think so that becomes its “S.I” rating. The RDC clamps the handle but also has a bar under the top of the throat, which to me indicates it will really only test flex in the upper half of the racquet. Wilson claim their method is better as its more representative of how the racquet truly flexes on impact.

How closely they stick to their own “S.I” rating who knows, but i would guess these will prob have a flex around 63-64RA as others have said.... 62-63 is perfect for me so thats something.
I found the video, didn’t catch before so thanks. I get it now how they measure it just don’t have the nuance of the scale in itself. However even with RA is sometimes deceiving depending where the flex is built into the racquet.
 

topspn

Legend
Very interesting take! I've never touched an H19 or an H22 - just totally curious about the hype that all of you guys have on them. IMO what is so intriguing about all of this buzz is the notion that average joes like me could play with a racquet with the same layup as a pro player.

Regarding the current tour pros, does that mean people like Tsitsipas, Raonic, Goffin etc. are just using stock v7 Blade's or older 18x20 stock Blades? Or do they still have custom layup?
I don’t know how true it is but i keep hearing they just use the old K blades mould/layup
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
Very interesting take! I've never touched an H19 or an H22 - just totally curious about the hype that all of you guys have on them. IMO what is so intriguing about all of this buzz is the notion that average joes like me could play with a racquet with the same layup as a pro player.

Regarding the current tour pros, does that mean people like Tsitsipas, Raonic, Goffin etc. are just using stock v7 Blade's or older 18x20 stock Blades? Or do they still have custom layup?
I wouldnt get that caught up in it. Once you get obsessed with the layup you become one of those guys that stresses too much over RA for no real reason (see the PT 2.0 thread and Wilson UT thread).

A lot of pros use retail frames, believe it or not. And many frames that were sold on TW and passed on by people here are now prostock paint jobs used by touring pros.

A "pro layup" is just the ability to tell a guy at Wilson that you want the H22 but you want it softer or stiffer.

A few nerds here whined because the UT was not sub 60 RA and then said the materials were "cheap". Meanwhile there are guys using those exact retail layups on the Pro Tour and not giving AF.
 

Phantasm

Semi-Pro
Very interesting take! I've never touched an H19 or an H22 - just totally curious about the hype that all of you guys have on them. IMO what is so intriguing about all of this buzz is the notion that average joes like me could play with a racquet with the same layup as a pro player.

Regarding the current tour pros, does that mean people like Tsitsipas, Raonic, Goffin etc. are just using stock v7 Blade's or older 18x20 stock Blades? Or do they still have custom layup?
The "hype" is that it's a frame that Wilson has basically secretly been producing for touring pros for years and now the general public has a chance to affordably get their hands on what was a very exclusive product.

At the end of the day, tt's still just another tennis racquet and some will like and some won't. Just a matter of taste. Initially, the reason I got one is cause I liked collecting racquets and rare things so I got my hands on one. The glossy PJ is quite nice :). Once I started playing with it, I liked the racquet a lot and was a nice blend of power, comfort, stability. I also played decently well with it, so I got more of them. That's my story.
 

Bhagi Katbamna

Hall of Fame
The nice thing about these frames for people thinking about getting them(and I have no dog in the Head vs Wilson fight) is that the weight of the frames is not as high as the weight of the end customized frames of the pros so they can be used by pretty much any amateur(I mean, they are sub 11 oz unstrung).
 

AA7

Professional
All I am hoping for is the similar feel and control as blade but a slight increase in easy power through the thicker beam. That is exactly what the description says. And some people are acting like these frames are super expensive.. i mean regular blade is like 40bucks cheaper.. prostaff is same price.. speed pro is 240.. new prestige is 230. Not night and day difference. Stop acting like people are getting suckered into some scam here. Wilson had a resonable price point (relatively). I actually like the new blade feel so much it may not even feel as nice but we shall see.

Also who cares what pros are playing with. Everyone here has probably devoted very valuable time and dedication to this sport and know how hard it is to do well. And no one has delusions that they will play like pros. Once you are over 4.0 massive part of the game is strategy.. legs legs legs.. ability to anticipate and setup so you can hit your shot the same way every time. No h22 is going to help do that. I am pretty sure lot of people on these forums know that. So all those comments are just completely baseless and unnecessary.
 
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AA7

Professional
The nice thing about these frames for people thinking about getting them(and I have no dog in the Head vs Wilson fight) is that the weight of the frames is not as high as the weight of the end customized frames of the pros so they can be used by pretty much any amateur(I mean, they are sub 11 oz unstrung).
I am not 100% sure about that.. they have pretty high sw (possibly) and that is really the most significant spec.
 

Zoolander

Hall of Fame
Is it just me, or do the H19/UT and the H22/blade pro both have exactly the same 18*20 pattern? They sure look the same to me.... anyone?
 

Zoolander

Hall of Fame
Fellow Aussies, 'Pro Lab' racquets are now available on Wilson Australia's website.
Yeah im surprised, i didnt think they would be..... grabbed a 16x19 blade pro. The 15% off welcome offer applies too so it ended up cheaper than all the other new releases that are close to 350 bucks.
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
this might be a deal breaker for some like me who prefer flexier frames..
i think most pro stock H22 and H19 come in around 57 RA?
I also like flex around there and prefer a frame that flexes at the throat. I like being able to feel the ball stay on the racquet for a split second longer as the throat bends back and I get to hold it there for extra control and then ride it through for the boost from the frame snapping back.
 

djnemo

Rookie
Some of the old Blade models had grips that were a little short for my two handed backhand. Anyone know how the H19 and H22 grips are for 2HBHs?
 
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