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Deleted member 762530

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I believe he was asking for Wilson's stiffness index. On the v7 Blade, I believe it's 7.9 while the blade pro is 7.2.
I just read that wilson‘s stiffness index is the other way round from ra, is this correct? So the blade pro is stiffer?
Does anybody know si for the ultra pro?
 

SaaKha

Semi-Pro
Once or even twice people were told by other Wilson reps that this is not a limited run, so it's very possible that person may have been misinformed (or didn't quite mean it how she wrote it). But she probably did just sell a bunch more frames.
She’s either misinformed or a great salesperson haha
 

caprivi

Rookie
How is the comfort level and control of the 6.1 compared to the P.mid? I think it's a little bit thicker in the beam right?

Just finished my first hit with the new 6.1. Typing up quickly on my phone so hopefully formatting is alright.

Added a leather grip and 6” of lead at 3/9 to start since I’m coming from a 13.1oz strung PT2.0. I strung the 6.1 up with Lynx Tour 17 at 49/47, which is a setup I’ve used in the 360+ Prestige mid to great success.

 

ryushen21

Hall of Fame
Just finished my first hit with the new 6.1. Typing up quickly on my phone so hopefully formatting is alright.

Added a leather grip and 6” of lead at 3/9 to start since I’m coming from a 13.1oz strung PT2.0. I strung the 6.1 up with Lynx Tour 17 at 49/47, which is a setup I’ve used in the 360+ Prestige mid to great success.

Just a disclaimer, I’ve never hit with a 6.1 up to this point. I’d love to be able to compare the feel to previous iterations but I’m sure someone else will make those comparisons very soon! What I can do however is compare to the P Mid, UT, and PT2.0 which I’ve all hit extensively as of late. Spoiler alert, the 6.1 might be my new favorite (not going to discount the honeymoon period!)

So, strung up with OG and lead the racquet is at 368g with a balance at 9 1/2 points. On first hit, I was a bit surprised that it felt slightly muted, not overwhelmingly so like a Blade or a Vcore HD but enough to be pleasantly comfortable. Very very far from being harsh or overwhelming stiff like a Bab.
I felt a decent amount of flex in the throat and head. The hoop flex is far from that of a PT2.0 or Blade (I find that much flex in the hoop to mess with control and make the frame feel unstable) but it’s just enough to aid with a nice pocketing sensation. There is still a firm feeling behind all of this and it gives off a very direct and connected feeling behind every shot. This “plush firm” feeling was quite unique to me but it’s exactly what I’ve been looking for and imo is close to perfect. The racquet felt extremely solid, no pinging or tinny sensation whatsoever, and it made a great booming sound when I hit the ball just right.

If I had to guess the ra I’d honestly say 65. Far from being the “65” that the PT2.0 is (that thing flexes like it’s in the high 50s) but I’d say this 6.1 feels like an honest 65, on par with the new Prestige Mid or maybe a TF40. Far from being Babolat stiff, but still enough firmness to give crisp feedback. I cannot wait to see the actual RDC numbers for this stick, I think Wilson might have actually listened here and choose a layup that they knew a lot of folks would really like. I doubt this is the KFactor layup since what I’ve felt seems to be a lot different than I’ve seen described.

Phew, so I just tossed around a lot of adjectives haha. Hopefully I did a decent job conveying what I felt for you guys, I can’t wait to continue playing with this 6.1. I think it does a great job of maintaining the best of both worlds feel-wise, and from a playability standpoint I’m really happy with it. I’m excited to hear everyone else’s impressions and get some numbers regarding RA. No matter what they are though I’m still going to be very happy I own these racquets!

Straight to the Delpo setup on the hood of a Tesla.

Respect.
 

ryushen21

Hall of Fame
So, strung up with OG and lead the racquet is at 368g with a balance at 9 1/2 points. On first hit, I was a bit surprised that it felt slightly muted, not overwhelmingly so like a Blade or a Vcore HD but enough to be pleasantly comfortable. Very very far from being harsh or overwhelming stiff like a Bab.

I felt a decent amount of flex in the throat and head. The hoop flex is far from that of a PT2.0 or Blade (I find that much flex in the hoop to mess with control and make the frame feel unstable) but it’s just enough to aid with a nice pocketing sensation. There is still a firm feeling behind all of this and it gives off a very direct and connected feeling behind every shot. This “plush firm” feeling was quite unique to me but it’s exactly what I’ve been looking for and imo is close to perfect. The racquet felt extremely solid, no pinging or tinny sensation whatsoever, and it made a great booming sound when I hit the ball just right.

If I had to guess the ra I’d honestly say 65. Far from being the “65” that the PT2.0 is (that thing flexes like it’s in the high 50s) but I’d say this 6.1 feels like an honest 65, on par with the new Prestige Mid or maybe a TF40. Far from being Babolat stiff, but still enough firmness to give crisp feedback. I cannot wait to see the actual RDC numbers for this stick, I think Wilson might have actually listened here and choose a layup that they knew a lot of folks would really like.
Did anyone else's nCode Spidey sense alarm just go off?
 

whamilton318

New User
Just had my first hit with the 6.1. Strung it up with NXT mains, Element crosses, 52/50.

This is my first time in a long time hitting a 6.1, but man, when I hit it clean, it was heavenly. But when I was a bit late, well that was a different story.

I might try it with the element in the mains and see if that lessens the power a bit. But overall, if I can’t get it dialed in, it’s going be a sweet, sweet stick.
 

ryushen21

Hall of Fame
Just had my first hit with the 6.1. Strung it up with NXT mains, Element crosses, 52/50.

This is my first time in a long time hitting a 6.1, but man, when I hit it clean, it was heavenly. But when I was a bit late, well that was a different story.

I might try it with the element in the mains and see if that lessens the power a bit. But overall, if I can’t get it dialed in, it’s going be a sweet, sweet stick.
Is this your first time with a 6.1? It takes a little getting used to but once you're dialed in, it's heaven.

Also, I just started a dedicated thread for the new 6.1. Feel free to drop some comments there too.
 

Lozannois

Rookie
Pre orders only available in US for the time being right? I tried to find it on the European website but it's nowhere on their website... :((
 

asifallasleep

Hall of Fame
You can find them now for sale in the US and Europe.
Google Wilson Pro Labs and you'll get the US website and for Europe google Wilson Pro Labs Europe.
 

asifallasleep

Hall of Fame
I am surprised many are having such variances in the specs even with these pro stock frames. I envisioned more attention to detail. Interesting.............

At least they are so light, as they should be, and one can reasonably get them to match.
 

Lozannois

Rookie
You can find them now for sale in the US and Europe.
Google Wilson Pro Labs and you'll get the US website and for Europe google Wilson Pro Labs Europe.
No I tried but there is only the "Wilson Labs Clash rackets" menu on the European website.

Anyone ordered one of the pro stock racket in europe? Would you have the link please?

Thank you for your help
 

riddick

New User
Ultra Pro 16X19 is just an Ultra Tour with 16X19 pattern.
Ultra Pro 18X20 is just an Ultra Tour.
6.1 95 18X20 is just like the re-issue in 2017, with an unknown layup.
Blade Pro 16X19 and Blade Pro 18X20 are just re-issue of 2013 or 2015 ???

All done with current and glossy paint job and W called it Pro Lab series.

Is this the whole picture ?
 
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riddick

New User
Ultra Tour will become an orphan child (it's weird to be in Ultra line) so W grouped together some racquets, called it Pro Lab series. Sell more racquets with no extra product development.

BTW, 6.1 95 18X20 now has a cool paint job. The coolest looking of the bunch.
 
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onehandbh

Legend
Ultra Pro 16X19 is just an Ultra Tour with 16X19 pattern.
Ultra Pro 18X20 is just an Ultra Tour.
6.1 95 18X20 is just like the re-issue in 2017, with a an unknown layup.
Blade Pro 16X19 and Blade Pro 18X20 are just re-issue of 2013 or 2015 ???

All done with glossy paint job and W called it Pro Lab series.

Is this the whole picture ?
The glossy paint reduces the drag coefficient.
My kick serve went from 4306 RPM to 4307 RPM.
 

esm

Hall of Fame
Ultra Pro 16X19 is just an Ultra Tour with 16X19 pattern.
Ultra Pro 18X20 is just an Ultra Tour.
6.1 95 18X20 is just like the re-issue in 2017, with an unknown layup.
Blade Pro 16X19 and Blade Pro 18X20 are just re-issue of 2013 or 2015 ???

All done with current and glossy paint job and W called it Pro Lab series.

Is this the whole picture ?
hang on a tick - so the whole "new" Pro Lab is a "re-issue" of some of the previous models... wouldn't that be funny if Wilson does that... lol :-D
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
hang on a tick - so the whole "new" Pro Lab is a "re-issue" of some of the previous models... wouldn't that be funny if Wilson does that... lol :-D
The Blade Pro is a different mould to the retail Blade... so it can't be a re-issue... it's just a question of which layup of the H22 mould Wilson is offering. Once we get the RDC readings from various posters we'll see whether they are similar across the board or whether there is a big variance... and in which RA range they sit (low-mid 60s or mid-high 60s... or even high 50s). Remains to be seen.

The other two models (6.1 95 and UP/UT)... well that could just be clever packaging... or exciting models that will be well received... again remains to be seen.
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
The Blade Pro is a different mould to the retail Blade... so it can't be a re-issue... it's just a question of which layup of the H22 mould Wilson is offering. Once we get the RDC readings from various posters we'll see whether they are similar across the board or whether there is a big variance... and in which RA range they sit (low-mid 60s or mid-high 60s... or even high 50s). Remains to be seen.

The other two models (6.1 95 and UP/UT)... well that could just be clever packaging... or exciting models that will be well received... again remains to be seen.
Pretty sure the Ultra Pro 18x20 is the update to the UT that ran on Wilson's site for some time before this launch. The Ultra Pro 16x19, however, is a new release as I understand it. An H19/UT/UP 16x19 is new, has never been mass produced for the 'average' tennis consumer.
 

Keizer

Professional
That is the 16x18 HPS Six One 95. The 18x20 was 68/69 and felt high sixties too. The nCode Six One 95 18x20 is legit mid sixties with TW rating it at 65 RA as well.
Much appreciated, I completely missed the string pattern nuance there. Looking forward to the consensus on what's lurking under that PJ.
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
Pretty sure the Ultra Pro 18x20 is the update to the UT that ran on Wilson's site for some time before this launch. The Ultra Pro 16x19, however, is a new release as I understand it. An H19/UT/UP 16x19 is new, has never been mass produced for the 'average' tennis consumer.
I know... what I was trying to say is that it could turn out to be a UT with 16x19 string pattern and an RA of 65 strung... or something... but as long as it's around the similar RA of the UT (63 or below), and it feels like the UT (or better), I'll be happy. I've been waiting for a UT with a 16x19 pattern... mine are on their way (both the Blade Pro 16x19 and UP 16x19). Can't wait.

The 6.1 95... I'm waiting to hear what the reports are, as I have a Classic 6.1 95 16x18 and 2014 6.1 95 18x20... both of which I'm happy with. So, unless this "new" 6.1 is not something different and special (lower RA, plusher feel... etc), I'll abstain.
 

travelbuddha

New User
I e-mailed Wilson customer sevice to see if there was any more info on Six One. Their response:

"The Six One model that was launched is a re-release of a classic lay-up of the Pro Staff Six One 95 frame, unfortunately we cannot reveal the exact model."

So they're re-releasing one of 7 previous versions of a racket, at a price point 25% higher than what it used to retail for, but are refusing to give any information about what it actually is. Expecting your most discerning customers to blindly pay more doesn't seem like the best business idea.
After I got that response from Wilson, I replied:

"Quite honestly, that’s not a very good answer. There is nothing wrong with re-releasing an old frame. People love their old Six One’s. You sold out of the RF85, and everyone knew what that was. You’re expecting your most discerning customers, many of whom have played with the Six One series for a long time, to pay a premium to buy a re-release of an older Six One model, but you won’t tell us which one it is. How can you expect people to blindly buy like that? You’ll sell a lot more if you’re up front about what it is."

This morning, I got back:

"The Pro Staff Six One 95 18x20 that we have just released is based off of the mold of the Hyper Pro Staff 6.1"

Now I don't know whether they were being tricky, and not expecting me to notice that they said "lay-up" in one e-mail and "mold" in another, or it actually is the HPS in new paint.
 

pennc94

Professional
I've read elsewhere that the beam is actually 21.5 on an H22, but perhaps more well versed experts can weigh in.
My H22s are all 22mm (about 22.2mm) with digital calipers.

if the ProLab Versions are 21.5mm I wonder about grommets fitting.
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
I know... what I was trying to say is that it could turn out to be a UT with 16x19 string pattern and an RA of 65 strung... or something... but as long as it's around the similar RA of the UT (63 or below), and it feels like the UT (or better), I'll be happy. I've been waiting for a UT with a 16x19 pattern... mine are on their way (both the Blade Pro 16x19 and UP 16x19). Can't wait.

The 6.1 95... I'm waiting to hear what the reports are, as I have a Classic 6.1 95 16x18 and 2014 6.1 95 18x20... both of which I'm happy with. So, unless this "new" 6.1 is not something different and special (lower RA, plusher feel... etc), I'll abstain.
Sorry, I missed the nuance in your previous post, but I agree on the RA wishes. Between 60-63 strung would be ideal (for me) on the UP 16x19, but I could live with 65 RA, I think. Was gonna wait on a purchase because I'm very happy with my UTs and have quite a few, but a future window of opportunity doesn't appear to be a certainty. Let us know when you get them. We need feedback on these yesterday:)
 

TW Staff

Administrator
Gentle reminder:

While we do not mind lively discussions of the Wilson Pro Lab racquets, we ask that you do not post links to their website. Continued posting can result in a ban.

Thanks,
TW Staff
 

Paul Y

Rookie
After I got that response from Wilson, I replied:

"Quite honestly, that’s not a very good answer. There is nothing wrong with re-releasing an old frame. People love their old Six One’s. You sold out of the RF85, and everyone knew what that was. You’re expecting your most discerning customers, many of whom have played with the Six One series for a long time, to pay a premium to buy a re-release of an older Six One model, but you won’t tell us which one it is. How can you expect people to blindly buy like that? You’ll sell a lot more if you’re up front about what it is."

This morning, I got back:

"The Pro Staff Six One 95 18x20 that we have just released is based off of the mold of the Hyper Pro Staff 6.1"

Now I don't know whether they were being tricky, and not expecting me to notice that they said "lay-up" in one e-mail and "mold" in another, or it actually is the HPS in new paint.
They changed to mold probably due to the lay up is different but uses the mold. Expect it to play a little different from the old 6.1, I'm sure they would like to put it as more modern :)
 

rossignol

Rookie
Just finished my first hit with the new 6.1. Typing up quickly on my phone so hopefully formatting is alright.

Added a leather grip and 6” of lead at 3/9 to start since I’m coming from a 13.1oz strung PT2.0. I strung the 6.1 up with Lynx Tour 17 at 49/47, which is a setup I’ve used in the 360+ Prestige mid to great success.

Just a disclaimer, I’ve never hit with a 6.1 up to this point. I’d love to be able to compare the feel to previous iterations but I’m sure someone else will make those comparisons very soon! What I can do however is compare to the P Mid, UT, and PT2.0 which I’ve all hit extensively as of late. Spoiler alert, the 6.1 might be my new favorite (not going to discount the honeymoon period!)

So, strung up with OG and lead the racquet is at 368g with a balance at 9 1/2 points. On first hit, I was a bit surprised that it felt slightly muted, not overwhelmingly so like a Blade or a Vcore HD but enough to be pleasantly comfortable. Very very far from being harsh or overwhelming stiff like a Bab.
I felt a decent amount of flex in the throat and head. The hoop flex is far from that of a PT2.0 or Blade (I find that much flex in the hoop to mess with control and make the frame feel unstable) but it’s just enough to aid with a nice pocketing sensation. There is still a firm feeling behind all of this and it gives off a very direct and connected feeling behind every shot. This “plush firm” feeling was quite unique to me but it’s exactly what I’ve been looking for and imo is close to perfect. The racquet felt extremely solid, no pinging or tinny sensation whatsoever, and it made a great booming sound when I hit the ball just right.

If I had to guess the ra I’d honestly say 65. Far from being the “65” that the PT2.0 is (that thing flexes like it’s in the high 50s) but I’d say this 6.1 feels like an honest 65, on par with the new Prestige Mid or maybe a TF40. Far from being Babolat stiff, but still enough firmness to give crisp feedback. I cannot wait to see the actual RDC numbers for this stick, I think Wilson might have actually listened here and choose a layup that they knew a lot of folks would really like. I doubt this is the KFactor layup since what I’ve felt seems to be a lot different than I’ve seen described.

Phew, so I just tossed around a lot of adjectives haha. Hopefully I did a decent job conveying what I felt for you guys, I can’t wait to continue playing with this 6.1. I think it does a great job of maintaining the best of both worlds feel-wise, and from a playability standpoint I’m really happy with it. I’m excited to hear everyone else’s impressions and get some numbers regarding RA. No matter what they are though I’m still going to be very happy I own these racquets!

I can teach you how to install
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