Wilson ProStaff RF97 Autograph

coolschreiber

Hall of Fame
Played with the RF97A again last night. Yup, still not heavy at all and still easy to swing but still very stiff as well. Even strung with a soft multi I could feel it in my wrist after just 15 minutes of hitting. It's really a lot like many other stiff/light wide-beamed modern racquets.

So again, the RF97A plays lighter than I expected, whereas, the KPS88 played even heavier than I expected.
Come on BP man up... Stop complaining about stiffness :p I thought you came from a tougher generation lol
 

frinton

Professional
Hey Breakpoint and Bobby Jr... don't you wanna take you kindergarden style of dispute into a separate thread. The ones who like to follow it still can and the ones who are more interested in the RF97 are not bothered by your personal issues? Because I personally couldn't really care less
 

aer0pr0

Rookie
can someone tell me how the strings behave in this racket, do they break easily?

given the weight of the racket and 16x19??
i had to change my wilsons 6.1 95 16x18 to 18x20 because i was breaking strings every hour (1.30 mm polys), and im not exagerating. heavy rackets with open patterns are difficult for strings.

anyone having trouble in that regard with the rf97?
thank you
 

asifallasleep

Hall of Fame
can someone tell me how the strings behave in this racket, do they break easily?

given the weight of the racket and 16x19??
i had to change my wilsons 6.1 95 16x18 to 18x20 because i was breaking strings every hour (1.30 mm polys), and im not exagerating. heavy rackets with open patterns are difficult for strings.

anyone having trouble in that regard with the rf97?
thank you
The RF97 does indeed go through strings. I think most are getting on average 8-12 hours of hitting irregardless of string and tension.
 

RalphJ

Banned
Man, I haven't broken a string yet. I have had mine in over a month, and I've played 3 league matches with it, and multiple hitting sessions with a club pro. I bet I've played at least 6-10 hrs a week. Lux 4G rough at 50lbs. I just restung my other one with it and played a tournament - 4 matches about 10 sets, with hitting in between. No signs of serious wear, and I hit with spin.
 
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can someone tell me how the strings behave in this racket, do they break easily?

given the weight of the racket and 16x19??
i had to change my wilsons 6.1 95 16x18 to 18x20 because i was breaking strings every hour (1.30 mm polys), and im not exagerating. heavy rackets with open patterns are difficult for strings.

anyone having trouble in that regard with the rf97?
thank you
I use Wilson Championship Choice. Guts on mains and Lux Alu Power Rough on crosses and I used string savers like Fed at 4 & 6 strings separated by one string. That really helps prolonged the life of the strings. I strongly advise it and it does a good job of slowing down the shredding of the gut.

Hope this helps. 8 hours indoor tennis a week half singles the other half doubles I'm a strong 4-4.5. I use the RFA97 customized racquet. This is the racquet to own for an all attack game there is nothing better.

Cheers.
 
I use Wilson Championship Choice. Guts on mains and Lux Alu Power Rough on crosses and I used string savers like Fed at 4 & 6 strings separated by one string. That really helps prolonged the life of the strings. I strongly advise it and it does a good job of slowing down the shredding of the gut.

Hope this helps. 8 hours indoor tennis a week half singles the other half doubles I'm a strong 4-4.5. I use the RFA97 customized racquet. This is the racquet to own for an all attack game there is nothing better.

Cheers.
Here is a great thread I started with pics about the custom RF97A that I'm sure you can gain some benefit from

Cheers again!
 

Chezbeeno

Professional
can someone tell me how the strings behave in this racket, do they break easily?

given the weight of the racket and 16x19??
i had to change my wilsons 6.1 95 16x18 to 18x20 because i was breaking strings every hour (1.30 mm polys), and im not exagerating. heavy rackets with open patterns are difficult for strings.

anyone having trouble in that regard with the rf97?
thank you
I tear through strings with my RF's. I use Tecnifibre Poly Code 16 and I get about 4 hours max. I have to string about 3 racquets a week, it sucks, but I've gotten a lot better at stringing.
 

aer0pr0

Rookie
I tear through strings with my RF's. I use Tecnifibre Poly Code 16 and I get about 4 hours max. I have to string about 3 racquets a week, it sucks, but I've gotten a lot better at stringing.

thanks for the info... i wanted to buy a couple of these babies, but this little ( very big) detail, is making me put a step back :confused:

is the ps97 similliar to the rf version, besides the weight?
if i lead up the ps97 would it be similiar to the rf97 in terms of feeling and play? Because at least with 315g its much lighter and obviously strings would last longer...
on the other hand... ps97 is not the same thing as rf97, if u know what i mean, ps97 will be forgotten in a couple a years, the rf97 will stay for eternity ;)
 
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coloskier

Legend
thanks for the info... i wanted to buy a couple of these babies, but this little ( very big) detail, is making me put a step back :confused:

is the ps97 similliar to the rf version, besides the weight?
if i lead up the ps97 would it be similiar to the rf97 in terms of feeling and play? Because at least with 315g its much lighter and obviously strings would last longer...
on the other hand... ps97 is not the same thing as rf97, if u know what i mean, ps97 will be forgotten in a couple a years, the rf97 will stay for eternity ;)
Strings would last longer with a lighter weight racket??? Where did you come up with that idea? String longevity has to do with swing path, open or closed string pattern, tension, and the power that you hit. Some strings last longer than others. I'm using VS Touch 16 Black on the mains and Tour Bite Soft 16L on the crosses, and get 20 hours before I break the crosses, then just restring the crosses and get another 20 hours before the gut breaks. I hit with a lot of power, and heavy spin. Tension 52#.
 

RalphJ

Banned
Again, I've had the Lux 4G rough 50lbs in for about a month and a half with no problems. probably 25-30+ hrs. The have been times when I hit hard backhands toward the top of the racquet that it felt like it stressed the string to the point of breaking, but didn't. After reading all the posts with string break problems, I can't figure out why I haven't broken a string yet. I'm probably not hitting as hard.
 
Again, I've had the Lux 4G rough 50lbs in for about a month and a half with no problems. probably 25-30+ hrs. The have been times when I hit hard backhands toward the top of the racquet that it felt like it stressed the string to the point of breaking, but didn't. After reading all the posts with string break problems, I can't figure out why I haven't broken a string yet. I'm probably not hitting as hard.
In before all the gear heads come at you with forks and fire torches demanding you to restring that racquet with fresh strings. :twisted:
 

thatguymattin

Semi-Pro
Some people aren't fortunate to string their racquets after a session, week, or even month; which includes myself... I purposely string my racquets rather high because I know I won't be able to afford to restring them in a couple of months. Usually I'll get the racquet restrung if it breaks, or when it's completely dead, but then I usually alternate between racquets, and use whatever feels best.... Those people who come with forks and fire shouldn't judge those like me, unless they want to sponsor me.
 

RalphJ

Banned
The strings still feel good. I just got another RF about 2 weeks ago and strung it up the same and have been using it (It's about.3oz lighter than the other one - right at 12.4oz strung and with Gamma RX grip w/ overgrip). I string my own, but I don't plan to restring anytime soon.
 

aer0pr0

Rookie
i finnaly got my pair of rf97s

its the best racquet i have ever played with :)

weight isnt a concern, i was used to play with a prostaff classic 6.1 95, so the weight is definitely not a problem, and i feel a lot of people tend to dramatize the excessive weight with no reason, because its not that heavy, unless you are a girl or a 13 year old boy :), in that case better go for a ps97 or other brands

volleying, serving and slicing its just amazing, the contact with the ball, the control , everything is just perfect,great touch and feeling.

Of course it is not as maneuvarable as an aeroprodrive, so you have to move your feet for correct positioning and get ready to hit the ball without needing "last second adjustments", you can do that with an APD but with this one would be a little more difficult cause of the extra weight

its not a "friendly" racquet, its not for everyone, but i would say it has a lot of similarities with all the wilson 6.1 and prostaffs, but on steroids!

So if you like playing with previous versions of these wilson models, you will surely love this one

The only downside for me, and something i was afraid some time ago and now i realise it, its the string durability. Both racquets were strung with rpm blast and both lasted 3-4 hours of gameplay before breaking

it really eats up the strings, thats the only downside :) i wish wilson would made a 18x20 pattern for these babies
 
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Pleb123

Semi-Pro
aer0pr0:
'i wish wilson would made a 18x20 pattern for these babies'
^^^^^
Would love to see this, but a little lighter - somewhere between PS97 and RF97 e.g. around 12oz strung and 8-10 points HL. Would fill the gap left by not having an 18x20 in the current Pro Staff 97 line up.
 

dr325i

Legend
aer0pr0:
'i wish wilson would made a 18x20 pattern for these babies'
^^^^^
Would love to see this, but a little lighter - somewhere between PS97 and RF97 e.g. around 12oz strung and 8-10 points HL. Would fill the gap left by not having an 18x20 in the current Pro Staff 97 line up.
That would be the H22, stiffer layup, no PWS though. Search them on string forum
 

Pleb123

Semi-Pro
That would be the H22, stiffer layup, no PWS though. Search them on string forum
I have one and believe that the stiffness is a lot less than the RF97, more like high fifties. Don't have machine measurements to back that up so that is based on experience (hitting with both racquets for extended periods) and also from what I can recall others have said about the H22 flex compared to RF97 (I think Drakulie has commented on this elsewhere on these boards). Weighted to 12.6 oz my 18x20 H22 is 10 points head light. It is a beast to swing for three sets in the heat and humidity of a long Australian summer. The soft flex also demands more to keep the ball pace up over the whole match.

So the increased stiffness of the RF97 combined with a lighter weight of around 12 oz strung would great in an 18x20 pattern IMO.

Also, there is the perennial issue of the non-existence of replacement retail grommets for the H22.
 

dr325i

Legend
I have one and believe that the stiffness is a lot less than the RF97, more like high fifties. Don't have machine measurements to back that up so that is based on experience (hitting with both racquets for extended periods) and also from what I can recall others have said about the H22 flex compared to RF97 (I think Drakulie has commented on this elsewhere on these boards). Weighted to 12.6 oz my 18x20 H22 is 10 points head light. It is a beast to swing for three sets in the heat and humidity of a long Australian summer. The soft flex also demands more to keep the ball pace up over the whole match.

So the increased stiffness of the RF97 combined with a lighter weight of around 12 oz strung would great in an 18x20 pattern IMO.

Also, there is the perennial issue of the non-existence of replacement retail grommets for the H22.
I have had H22s that go from 55 to 66RA flex. Obviously, there are some at 51, since Novak used that.
Currently, I have two at 61 and one at 56.
 

JoelDali

G.O.A.T.
More and more rec players and pros are migrating to this raquet designed by the greatest player of all time. - the GOAT.

Even Dolgo has submitted to RF.

 
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I have one and believe that the stiffness is a lot less than the RF97, more like high fifties. Don't have machine measurements to back that up so that is based on experience (hitting with both racquets for extended periods) and also from what I can recall others have said about the H22 flex compared to RF97 (I think Drakulie has commented on this elsewhere on these boards). Weighted to 12.6 oz my 18x20 H22 is 10 points head light. It is a beast to swing for three sets in the heat and humidity of a long Australian summer. The soft flex also demands more to keep the ball pace up over the whole match.

So the increased stiffness of the RF97 combined with a lighter weight of around 12 oz strung would great in an 18x20 pattern IMO.

Also, there is the perennial issue of the non-existence of replacement retail grommets for the H22.
Drakulie's H22 came from Geoff, and I hit it before it was sent to South Florida. :) The frame is quite flexible by comparison to the RF 97's (my RF 97's measured on the RDC at 70!) :) BHBH
 

Pleb123

Semi-Pro
Drakulie's H22 came from Geoff, and I hit it before it was sent to South Florida. :) The frame is quite flexible by comparison to the RF 97's (my RF 97's measured on the RDC at 70!) :) BHBH
Thanks for confirming what I thought.

BHBH - Do you think that the current absence of a Pro Staff 97 with an 18x20 pattern represents a gap in the retail market for Wilson that should be filled (if the flex was mid-sixties)?
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
As BouncehitBouncehit stated, I have one H22 (16/19) that was given to my by Geoff. The Flex is a 58 (strung). I also have one other h22 (18/20) that is got elsewhere that is also a 58 flex. Both measurements are strung. That said, they both play considerable stiffer than the rating. Could be because of the thicker beam.

My RF97A's are 67 strung (both of them).
 

ruimarto

New User
Well, it makes sense that the initial price was higher, as with most new releases of every kind, but the price was stable 159€ for quite a while... I didn't notice anything saying it was some kind of sale (and it probably wouldn't last for months if it were).
 
I was astonished as well by the price raise - well, actually I was let down by it, as I intended to by a backup RF97... :(
The same raise has happened with onther online stores (I guess since everybody is monitoring TWE), except for Tennis-Point who have be always been keeping the RF97 price ridiculously high.

My only guess is that the RF97A is an item particularly suitable as Xmas gift - any official comment on this?
The only hope now is to wait until Wilson releases their new RF97A paintjob, which will drop the original line, but I just wonder if there is anything on the horizon.
 

JoelDali

G.O.A.T.
I was astonished as well.
This is a piece of equipment designed by Roger Federer - the true GOAT. Imagine if Darryl Waltrip designed the car you drive. Or if Jack Nicklaus designed your golf course. These high prices should not be marginalized.

People should be thankful the price isn't $349 which is what it's worth if you disassemble it and sell the raw materials on the open market.

 
People should be thankful the price isn't $349 which is what it's worth if you disassemble it and sell the raw materials on the open market.
This one I could not understand.

And about being the GOAT device: yes, it could have been marketed at higher rates. The point in discussion is that its general price had slightly dropped over the past months, and then bounced back to the 200€ range.
 

JoelDali

G.O.A.T.
Pure Basalt Crystaline is a commodity that you can't just go find on your own or buy from overstock.com

Also the price of Basalt fluctuates much like gold and platinum. So one week typical 3.5 player's RF 95 could be $219 and the next week $299.

Many tennis scholars at the Colorado School of Mines have theorized that Rogi went with the Basalt for added feel due to the energy absorption properties of the Basalt compound. But it also causes price inconsistencies that confuse NTRP players.
 
Pure Basalt Crystaline is a commodity that you can't just go find on your own or buy from overstock.com

Also the price of Basalt fluctuates much like gold and platinum. So one week typical 3.5 player's RF 95 could be $219 and the next week $299.

Many tennis scholars at the Colorado School of Mines have theorized that Rogi went with the Basalt for added feel due to the energy absorption properties of the Basalt compound. But it also causes price inconsistencies that confuse NTRP players.
If you go yourself to buy basalt by ounces, for sure you will be subjected to the market fluctuations of this commodity.
But Wilson have an YoY forecast supply demand, based on thousand t-shirts sold, and for sure they have a long-run negotiated price which is flat.

Also, with all my admiration for the GOAT, I do not think it was him coming up with the basalt idea...
 

JoelDali

G.O.A.T.
Rogi dedicates a lot of time in his workshop in downtown Basel to designing and perfecting future tennis technical advancements. People thought Eddie Van Halen was wierd for boiling his guitar strings. Rogi sprinkling Basalt Crystals into the BLX 90 was a leap into a new direction that changed the game. Rogi's dad was an engineer and lots of that rubbed off on the Boy from Basel. Wilson states that Rogi designed this raquet. It's too good of a device to not have been designed and formulated by the GOAT.
 

frinton

Professional
Rogi dedicates a lot of time in his workshop in downtown Basel to designing and perfecting future tennis technical advancements. People thought Eddie Van Halen was wierd for boiling his guitar strings. Rogi sprinkling Basalt Crystals into the BLX 90 was a leap into a new direction that changed the game. Rogi's dad was an engineer and lots of that rubbed off on the Boy from Basel. Wilson states that Rogi designed this raquet. It's too good of a device to not have been designed and formulated by the GOAT.
The only true GOAT seems to be pictured in your Avatar, if I am not mistaken!
But back on topic, it's crazy how much more volatile the basalt markets have become since it was first introduced into tennis rackets by Wilson. The market is not only fluctuating much more because of the higher demand (that would have just driven up prices) but professional traders have moved into the game! It's us poor tennis enthusiasts who have to pay the price for their profits with increasing racket prices!
Also I heard that Rogi is currently spending time in his lab working on a new breakthrough in racket tech. By the way, the lab (I wouldn't call it workshop!) was moved from Basel to Freienbach a while back, when the Federer's moved into their new home!
 
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TennisHound

Legend
Sounds like Rogi needs to do some consulting over at Head, to try and fix their woes. I'm guessing that they somehow heard about his sprinkling some sort of material into his mix and they thought they could do it too (obviously with very poor results - Venom as opposed to Spiderman).
 
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