Discussion in 'Classic Racquet Talk' started by VGP, Jan 20, 2009.
That's a very cool pic, and I have two more PS 6.0 95's coming my way.
Good to see you're gonna have some more of your favorites!
Not at all VGP. I think it's not in chronological order; i just threw them together and snap a couple pics
Pictured there are 1x sv, 2 taiwans, and 5 chinas.
am I the only one who sees the lack of production of an 85 by any major company as a deliberate terroist action???? what fredoms will they take away next??? I'm armed, though! I've got more gtx's and prostaffs in my closet than I can count...that crisp feeling of kevlar is superb. The round head let's me change direction on grounstrokes effortlessly...prostaffs are awesome, stiff but soft, softspoken but not dead, able to humbly come up with brilliant shots in the heat of battle...
well put ... plasma...
I have another one, but this is my favourite:
Awesome pics of your St. Vincent amir75, thanks!
That's brilliant VGP, thanks so much for summarising the Pro Staff's evolution. Should be made into a "sticky" for all to read
I need to ask you whether you know of this version called the "Pro Staff 6.0 DB", apparently made for the Japanese market. I think these were "Chinese" as well, but with "Asian" specs. If you had to insert this version into your summary sheet, where would it be? (ie when did this version come out in the grand scheme of things?)
Thanks to tennisguyak and his tenniswiki.com database, I tried to pull together some info and photos on the PS85.....
(I used some photos from this thread. I hope you guys don't mind)
Wow! Another great write up, with pics to boot! Thanks so much for the link!
Do you need a photo of a PS85 with the PSTour90 pj?
I sure do!
I know there's other ones out there....the DB, the 2000 Limited Edition Hyper Carbon........
psp2 - you can post it here (it's definitely germane to the thread) and I can add the link to the wiki page.
ps 85 china 4 3/8 w/16g, nothing comes close...
ok so the st. vincent is good too...
Does anyone know where I can get new grommets for a bumperless PS Midsize?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
there are expensive dealers you can go to but if you're not rich it could be a total ******...grommets are big bux these days!...
also wanted to chime in on the accuracy of my stiff ps 85 china....at least I know I can never ever blame the racquet...what great performance, what an awesome machine (this from a kneissl man!)...not surprising that Sampras played the kneissl in the juniors. Really cant think of many sticks that compare to the ultra 2, kneissl, and ps 85....
St. Vincent Version
Butt Cap Code = BSQ
^^^ there are more butt cap code issues.
Some claim that the later Chicago PS85s had butt cap codes that end in "Q" and there are SV butt cap codes that end in A. Plus there are issues of whether or not someone has swapped out a butt cap onto another frame.
I've listed several other identifying factors on the wiki page. I was intentionally trying to avoid using butt cap codes (as in the letters themselves) as the determining identifiers on where certain frames were made.
People will post here and say, "my racket has butt cap code 'ABC'........but fail to say, for example, that it's got a black butt cap.......thus ruling out Chicago/SV/Taiwan......
I've tried to fix the picture links and tweak the info some on the PS original mid 85 page.......
So, what are the differences between Chicago, st. vincent, taiwan, chinese? How can you tell?
Nevermind, all the info is here. I'll check it out.
Some of the early SVs had 65-70 lbs tension range, didn't they?
Would you mind updating the wiki page to reflect that?
Keifers - on your recommendation I added the info to the wiki page.
IMO, that makes it hard to pinpoint the transition from Chicago to SV given drakulie's assertion that some Chicago frames had buttcap codes that ended in "Q." I guess it's just one more thing to consider when dating these frames.....
I also added a disclaimer regarding the potential changing of plastic parts on some frames that further adds to the confusion.....
Perhaps it's not that big a deal these days regarding value. I haven't priced the frames in recent months, but it looks like the value (of all makes) has gone up since the discontinuation of the PS85 and the introduction of the kPS88.
I, personally, thought it would be the opposite.
VGP, I emailed you a zip file with many photos of the PS85 with the PSTour 90 pj. Here's one of them:
Cool. Thanks psp2. I'll add them later. It's after 1 am my time right now and I should be getting to bed.
That's a PS85 that I wish I had.....even those racket covers were cool.
where did those things come from?, is it pro stock?, ps 85 tour 90 pjs weren't ever relaesed to the public, correct?
I know that TW sold them in 2003, part of a special run. I don't know if they were available elsewhere.....
I remember well, really regret not buying one, for sure the best looking racket i have ever seen!
Hey thanks for doing that, VGP.
Regarding buttcap codes ending in "Q," I'm thinking that a racquet with, say, HMQ would have been produced after a racquet with BSQ? If that's the case, then it's probably safe to assume that H_Q racquets were made in SV?
Wow, what a beauty!
I did buy a 6.0 95 with this pj when TW was selling them, but missed out on the PS85. As morten said, one of the best looking pjs ever.
"HMQ" is a code found on bumperless SV, IIRC. I think I have one somewhere. "BSQ" is a very late SV code. Even some Profiles frames that were made in SV had "BSQ" on them.
You can see the spec that says "90 sq. in".
Wow, so the codes are not alphabetical by date of manufacture. That complicates things...
Yes, I can confirm that HMQ (and HOQ) are bumperless.
These 2 are different in that "Wilson" is on the throat.
I never understood (nor figured out) the method of codes.... HWQ, HOQ, HMQ, HSQ are found on OLDER SV PS85. That was all I could deduce.
A while back, someone posted a table showing codes, dates, locations, etc.
I can't find it, though.
(Great photos of the Tour 90 pjs!)
Although that chart was made with good intentions, I've seen it manipulated in an e-bay auction when someone was trying to sell a SV.
As far as codes go all I can say is that on white buttcaps:
Those with codes located below the "W":
...that end in "I" are Chicago made.
...that end in "Q" could be Chicago made but most likely made in SV.
...I've seen end in "A" or "B" that look like SVs.
Those with codes that are above the "W":
...are made in Taiwan or China (use the other identifiers to determine which)
Black buttcap frames were all made in China.....unless some swapping's been done.
This post has the chart that you guys are talking about.
The thing is there are SV frames that have buttcap codes that end in "A" or "B." One of my SVs has a code that ends in "A" - QTA.
People tend to take this chart as factual data recorded by Wilson or something and all they want to know is what the code on their racket means. There is some confusion out there and the data is incomplete, plus it's placed on a part of the racket that can easily be replaced. That's why I've decided to leave it off the wiki page. Although the chart is mostly correct.
I've also seen "QTA" like yours. I have NEVER seen a SV that ends in a "B".
psp2 - I added some of your pics to the wiki page....
Some more updates to the wiki page.....like equijet's "stars and stripes" photos and jetlee2k's collection of Wilson Pro Staff models....
I totally support more vintage websites (as long as no-one steals my pics). It's clear that racquet freak and Jet Li 2k have collections that merit at least an on-line museum (if not a physical one).
I still play the ps 85 as my main stick, but like to take massive cuts at the ball which requires a racquet which is a bit less stiff. Prostaffs are one of the best racquets ever made. Would love to find a ps 7.0 85 or a 6.1 85 (not a 6.0 with a 6.1 pj!!!)....
Man I'm back down to two PS 6.0 95s lol!
I just went to Hilton Head, SC for my college tennis spring break trip and the frame cracked in pretty much the same place my other one cracked, this is so annoying lol. Well hopefully my two others don't crack, but some guy I met there said he would give me his old prostaff for free which would be great.
Also I let some people handle my PS and they were like, what the heck this thing is monsterously heavy because of the lead I have!
anyone guess where the crack is?(sorry not great photos)
i've just restrung my PS 85 at 65lbs (had the orignal strings in it and only had 1 session on it before) and it just came to life! ashway liberty 16 and it plays really nice now. with the grip build up, it is almost 14 oz now.
has anyone on the staff of the prostaff discussion thread tried the 6.1 classic or 7.0 steffi prostaff 85? I have been after some for aeons....
I just bought a PS85 with a GAY buttcap code above the red W. On the inside of the throat is says made in Chiao Ta. Is this a PS made in China or Taiwan? Also the recommended tension on inside of the throat is 50-60 lbs.
Surely I can't be the only one to find this ever so slightly amusing
that is amusing... ha ha
If you check the wiki page, I've pictured one of my Taiwanese with the SEX butt cap code.
I guess we could put yours and mine together.....
Does anyone know what is the flex rating of the PS85? I have done a search here and on google, and cannot seem to hit the right thread on it.
ps.. never mind.. found it.. 66 on this thread
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