Discussion in 'Classic Racquet Talk' started by VGP, Jan 20, 2009.
I know that GAY buttcap is amuzing and I'll have some photos of it soon
Here is one front view and string pics:
Also, here's TW's description and specs for the 6.0 85 and 6.0 95 (from Jan, 2005):
According to some of the links looks like I have a China version of PS85 just before they started comming out with the black buttcaps. Here are more photos:
dude, that buttcap code says "GAY"
Maybe I should just string that with rainbow strings and call it a day
now that would be one SEXY ps85, hahaha
I've paired your butt cap with mine.
wtf lol, is that real?
LOL Yeah it is as real as it gets...
This really is quite amusing
ps85 - damn it!
I grew up playing the ps 6.0 95 and ps 6.1 classic, now playing the n6.1, but have started to flirt with smaller head sizes.
So out of nostalgia/collecting urge, I finally scored a ps85 from the auction site - Chicago version - and I must say, it is one of the sweetest racquets I have ever hit with.....everything just clicks. The weight, balance and feel are perfect, I most certainly got the bug! I have the kps88, but that thing is a MONSTER.
This sucks big time, as they're ridiculously expensive and I can't find bumperless grommets ANYWHERE! ARGH!! What's the best grommet strategy? Fittex Grommets? Hotrod some China version strip?
I'm glad to hear you like your Chicago PS85, nyc. Too bad about your grommets. How bad off are your plastic parts? Do you just have the typical cracked ones at 1, 5, 7, and 11? Or are they totally shot?
If it's just a few cracked ones, nylon tubing will work. If you need a full set but still want it to be bumperless, you'd could get yourself a set that fits the SV and Taiwanese frames and trim the bumperguard off. Or you could get a set that fits the Chinese PS85, trim the bumperguard off and cut the strips in a few strategic places to make them fit better.......
"Hot rodding" the Chinese grommets might be the most cost-effective option. For what they're charging (i.e. on e-bay) for the SV fitting plastic parts, you can get 6 or 7 Chinese sets.
thanks for the tip VGP! I'll try tubing first, but I'm afraid it's more than just the usual suspects, so I'll get the chinese version as a base. Fittex grommets will run me about $50, which is ridiculous.
Interestingly enough my KPS88 is only 3 Grams heavier than the Chicago, but much more HL. In th process of modding my KPS88 now...
Good luck nyc. Hope you get your frame in its best playing shape soon.
You're saying that your kPS88 is more headlight than your Chicago?
See, when people say that the kPS88 is "no where near" the PS85 it really depends on what your frame of reference is with the old PS. drakulie on here loves the kPS88 and he says it's a lot like his favorite Chicago PS85s.....
PS85 specs were all over the place. But with some modification, a lot of them can be tailored to your liking. Same with the kPS88 (or many rackets for that matter).
hahaha sorry that's the 3 Beers talking...what I meant to say is that the chicago is more HL....of course!
The KPS88 has a much more even balance, I guess that's why people are abandoning it in droves.
Jjust trimmed the bumpers off the KPS88 (and drew, amazingly, no blood), and rewrapped the grip (sloppy factory job on the leather) and will restring it tomorrow. It's almost 2 grams lighter in static than the chicago now, so it's going to be pretty close in specs all said and done. will take it for a comparison spin and hopefully the difference in balance doesn't bother me....
Anyone know where to find a Chicago PS 85 grommet set?
great question, is it the same mold as the island version....mon???? I don't really believe in nationalism but I love racquets made in the usa, so rare!
I have been looking for those grommets as well...no luck so far. Suspecting I might have to go the fittex route.
if you have 50 bux you can always go to tennis mennace, he has one of the most enviable collection of grommets on earth. I found st. vincent grommets for much cheaper from a guy on fleabay, I got his last 3. I'd love to get one more set of st.vincent grommets. They are extremely rare and I had no luck in a recent ad I posted on this forum, hopefully next time I see Anna (Kournikova!), I'll try and remember to ask her to get me a pair, the way Anna and I love, laugh and play in the sun, I always forget to ask her....
I'd rather noodle with a recent Chinese set......
I have an actual PS 85 used by Sampras, it was given to a friend by Paul Annacone. One of 2 prostock vintage racquets in the plasma collection. It's bumperless, too bad petes hands are bigger than mine...
(true, not a story like my Kournoikova fantasy)
I stopped by the used sporting goods shop today....
I was excited to see they had a bumperless PS85....
I was hoping for a Chicago as it has the three thicker plastic throat grommets but it was lacking the gripsize sticker which would have had the recommended tension listed.
It's been used, but not too bad. Some grommets are cracked just due to age. I cleaned off the old head guard tape and the adhesive residue. It had an old Tournagrip that had been on for ages. It left a lot of residue as well, but underneath was the original leather on what feels like a #2 or #3 grip.....
The buttcap has mostly lost its color not from abuse, but by fading or rubbing, but I noticed that the code is GOQ.
Is it bad that I'm disappointed that it looks like a bumperless SV and not a Chicago?
.....either way not bad for $10.
To me the taiwan feels a bit like a shrunken k90. It has that woody wobble feel to it. This is unlike the early china version, chicago or st. vincent which were all brick stiff, but total focus on sweet spot. The focus and energy that you rip through is amazing, especially on volleys. The current modern china has the most flex. It's like the flex of a rubber tire. It's hard if you hit it soft but the harder you swing the more it flexes. It feels brick solid, but if you're hitting against say a 5.0+ you'll feel the flex and it really grabs the ball and does some amazing things with it. My current favorite racquet in my lineup.
Chicago is also the only one I don't have. You probably give to the needy and have good racquet Karma, hence your amazing find...continue to use your mojo power for good, don't be tempted by the darkside (sweat$hop).
dusting off an old treasure (found for pennies) and showing it tlc is just as magical as the moment when you find it!!!!
p.s. I understand your disappointment: Anna forgot to get my favorite cereal getting Corn Flakes instead and she's only allowing 20 minutes of Kournikova per night as she is preparing for a match...
I don't know about good karma.....I think I'm just persistent.
These days I've been losing a bit of hope just due to time and the age of internet auctions. I also don't live in a tennis hotbed like some people in Florida and SoCal (in the US) where PS85s are still to be found at garage sales and thrift stores at higher frequency.
I've been finding it even more difficult just getting frames that were made ten years ago let alone the 20-25 year period for Chicagos and SVs.
Sure, if I'm willing to shell out the cash I could get pluck some off of e-bay, but I'm not wanting to pay "collector" prices. Of the three SVs I've gotten, I've averaged spending only $35 a frame. That's ironic because when I started with the PS85 it was in 1993 when I bought my Taiwanese frames new. Since then I've even paid new prices for recent Chinese (when they were sold at stores). I wish I was doing the thrift store/garage sale thing in the '90s..... I'm sure I could have been like drakulie and others that was getting them for $1 each.
As much as I love PS85s, I find I'm transitioning away from them and now I'm working on the kPS88. We'll see if I stay or if I return.......
I am also transitioning away from the ps 85, to the txe (since its smaller,but still a players racquet; even though the feel is not as good). When I think of accuracy of performance, not level, but consistency of performance, actually in both categories, the ps 85 is elite. I cannot mention 5 other racquets at that level of acuity...maybe the ti 70, the fvp 90...??? maybe???? my china never let me down, I might come back..????
I put a pink overgrip on it in tribute to Capriati and Krickstein!
I forgot about that whole neon movement, the mere thought of it causes physical pain, one day I will own a tennis club, I will have security enforce a fairway or tournagrip rule. Violation of the rule could look like this....
operator, this is Mr. R, VGP is using inappropriate grip on court 6, I need Armstrong and Gymrat on it immediately, Operator this is Mr. R, I need Mr. Happy at court 5.....tournagrip or fairway, that's all I ask...
I've also got some chartreuse grips.....
If I were to play at your club then I'd have to leave it bare and bumperless like Edberg since I totally hate Tournagrip.
Is black allowed? I'll deck my PS85s in black and look nice and stealthy....
Y'know, I think that my fantasy of having a tennis club with rigid rules was materialistic and shortsighted; it's been done. I could probably do more to benefit the community by going in the total opposite direction. JL2k is one of the biggest vintage collectors in the world and he barely seems to have time for these boards with his big tennis clubs. What I should do is open a clothing optional all women's tennis club, I don't discriminate VGP if you are a young lady, as you would have to be 18- 32 for this club, then you would be totally welcome....yeah I know what you're thinking,Plasma as the head coach, swingin his oversize on the court... no you got me all wrong, I might show up here and there but only to benefit the community, maybe help sweep the courts occasionally, keep the shower and steam room area clean and such...just tryin to help...
i like the line from that movie where deniro says there are three ways of doing things, the wrong way, the right way, and my way
DeNiro is a brilliant actor, in his prime he was inspired. There was a russian guy named Stanislavski in 1900, he was sick of all the phony gesturing in theatre and created a style of acting based on realism, and transforming ones very identity into the character. It's very intense and authentic; it's called "Method Acting", Strassberg and others pioneered it later at the New School in New York in the 50's. Deniro, Pacino, Brando, the greatest and most authentic actors....method actors
"listen you fhukkkers you screwheads, here is aman who would not take it anymore'...Imagine transforming yourself into such a devil, that's what method actors do, become the character, become the role, sacrifice their very soul for your benefit...
Does any know know the difference between the PS 6.0 and the PS 6.0si?
"S I" on the pj came on the most recent China versions.
Here are some of my bumperless SV.
just realized I have to take a month off from tennis to heal form a couple of body shots I got during a fun, profound, and highly intelligent yet brutal 8 round gym (boxing) battle. Might start up again using an sv strung at 48. It does everything well at that ridiculously low tension, except counterpunch 70 mph bombs. Similar to my opponent the other night (actually not true, he was a great counterpuncher and even more rare, a really good person. I'm the goofy kid at the gym, loveably clowning around and making everyone laugh, so what's in a person's heart is important to me).
The gym I assisted at just moved... so sad, I will miss the comradery and education sooo much. I trained at another back alley gym nearby over a decade ago. It was a bloody warrior camp where they beat our brains and souls in nightly. The lead instructor, a world champ was shot outside the gym. This last place I taught and trained at was so different; everyone had jobs, everyone was married or had a commited girlfriend, the type of guys that would never fight on the street, real folk...probably the best friends and times I've had in the last 20 years, white, black, asian, native American, all of us learning from this old humble thai master, just working as a team to be better in life, more peaceful , more humble, break legs a little cleaner, that's all...
I just bought a couple of PS 6.0 85 from the famous auction site. The seller states that the inside of the racquet shows:
"string at 65-70 lbs.Weight 11.6-12.3 unstrung Balanced 1.0-1.5 in. headlight."
Also, the racquets appear to have a "Taiwan" sticker on the buttcap.
Is this normal? I am specifically referring to the "string at 65-70 lbs. portion. I thought that was only in the Chicago models and the later models changed to 55-65 and 50-60.
Can anybody please clear this up for me?
Buttcap replacements maybe?
I'd trust the stickers (and other hallmarks) before the buttcap since those are replaceable.....
Lemme amend that, by stickers I meant the recommended tension and balance stickers inside the throat (although you're right about the tension range being off - since they're usually 10 lb ranges).
...and by hallmarks, the typical SV/Chicago red primer, squared grommet channels, bumperless plastic parts (if applicable), etc....
did you receive them yet?
The big (immodest) question is: what did you pay for them?
i found a bumperless SV would a bumpered grommet set fit? I might break down and do the Mennace for $40. Would it change the balance? Or were the bumperless just more headlight?
Is there something wrong with the current grommets?
Man, I wish Wilson kept making these. These are the best sticks I ever used, but I gave up their usage (still have them though) because I couldn't get new ones anymore...
I really, really despise greedy big-name corporations. Another reason why I love my Boris Becker!
Yeah they were pretty cracked up. Plus the head had a lot of scrapes that I wanted to cover up with a bumper. Will it work okay?
The great white racquet...
Is there supposed to be a pic in this post?
I don't believe they will work... however, IIRC there were other Wilson 85 frames with PWS (and no bumper) that had the same drill pattern.
So the drill patt. of a bumper and bumperless SV are diff? I thought all SVs were the same just eventually they started using bumpers??
I have one Prostaff85 with green and Black colour
I want that green prostaff so badly!!! I looooove the cosmetics. I play with the ps 85 but got sick of the cosmetics and tried the 7.0 85...traditional 6.0 was better....
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