Wilson releasing Pro Staff 97S for Dimitrov (specs. included)

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Previous thread got deleted because of the downgrade back to the old forum.

Head Size: 97"
Unstrung Weight: 310g
Unstrung Balance: 335mm (no that is not a typo!)
String Pattern: 18x17
Beam Width: 19.5mm Flat Beam

Cosmetics: Same as on the Pro Staff 97 except the W above the grip is gold, the Wilson logo on the outside of the throat is gold, the W logo at PWS is gold, the Pro Staff logo at 12 o'clock is gold and the 97S logo at 6 o'clock is gold. So basically, everything that was silver on the Pro Staff 97 is now gold on the Pro Staff 97S.

It comes with a synthetic grip, the same orange one that comes with the Pro Staff 97.

It will be released in September from what I have heard.

Please stop asking me to double check the specs, that is what is exactly what is written in the catalog. Yes, I do have pictures of the catalog but will not be posting them on this thread.
 
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I called it. With the 95s carried over as a PJ and all the testing he did, Wilson then Head then Wilson, I knew the answer was that there was supposed to be a 97s in the new line and it was being held up.
 
What of the beam construction? 19.5mm is fine with me. Will it be flat beam like the RF97A, or box beam like traditional Pro Staffs?

Also, 18x17 is a much better pattern. The concept is there but hopefully it's not going to shred strings like crazy.
 
Hope that's not the real specs he will be using.
Too light for a SHBH player. His shots have been less and less penetrating.
Too much spin maybe. So his new stick is just 4 sq.inch bigger? (97-93)
Bigger than bigger?
 
cuteflu said:
Gees, they all switch to the wide beam sticks
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If 19.5mm is wide… You'll be very active on the bay in future :lol:

Seriously, I like thin beams too, but I don't have a problem with wider beams as long as they are flat (and not thicker than 22mm). What really bothers me is the new beam shapes à la PD and APD.

That's mainly the reason why I have an extreme preference to older Dunlop sticks.
 
Specs are excellent: just add a very heavy leather grip (fairway) making it 15 grams heavier and more headlight. Could be an excellent stick with only this easy modification....
 
Hey Guys,

Just wanted to give you guys a little info on this Pro Staff 97S frame:

  • The specs posted above are correct for the upcoming Pro Staff 97S (310g, 3pt HL, 18x17, 19.5mm frame)
  • Yes it’s true: Grigor’s 97S racquet is also the same 310g weight and of course same for the other specs. His racquet is then customized post-production by adding 20g to make the final weight at 330g.
  • The Pro Staff 97S will be going on sale in September

It's a very nice playing frame. The string pattern is the Spin Effect one, but it's the densest Wilson has so it is quite control friendly and string-breakage friendly.

Peter
 
PeterFig said:
Hey Guys,

Just wanted to give you guys a little info on this Pro Staff 97S frame:

  • The specs posted above are correct for the upcoming Pro Staff 97S (310g, 3pt HL, 18x17, 19.5mm frame)
  • Yes it’s true: Grigor’s 97S racquet is also the same 310g weight and of course same for the other specs. His racquet is then customized post-production by adding 20g to make the final weight at 330g.
  • The Pro Staff 97S will be going on sale in September

It's a very nice playing frame. The string pattern is the Spin Effect one, but it's the densest Wilson has so it is quite control friendly and string-breakage friendly.

Peter
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Thanks for the confirmation Peter! Really looking forward to this one. I've had a couple of his frames to play with in the past (back when he had 93s), so I'll definitely be trying the new one!
 
PeterFig said:
Hey Guys,

Just wanted to give you guys a little info on this Pro Staff 97S frame:

  • The specs posted above are correct for the upcoming Pro Staff 97S (310g, 3pt HL, 18x17, 19.5mm frame)
  • Yes it’s true: Grigor’s 97S racquet is also the same 310g weight and of course same for the other specs. His racquet is then customized post-production by adding 20g to make the final weight at 330g.
  • The Pro Staff 97S will be going on sale in September

It's a very nice playing frame. The string pattern is the Spin Effect one, but it's the densest Wilson has so it is quite control friendly and string-breakage friendly.

Peter
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Thanks for the info, Peter!

Do you have any information about the stiffness of the frame?

If it's the same as the RF97, I can see that being a problem given how light and head-heavier it is compared with the RF97.
 
VoodooBoot said:
Thanks for the info, Peter!

Do you have any information about the stiffness of the frame?

If it's the same as the RF97, I can see that being a problem given how light and head-heavier it is compared with the RF97.
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I don't have the RA numbers but having played both quite a bit the 97S is certainly 'flexier' than the RF97.
 
I dunno why Wilson doesn't dig into its archive and reissue the 'Limited 95'. This was simply a 95sq.in PS85. - 17mm box beam and beautifully medium-soft flex. Same PJ as the 85 too. Admittedly it seems like it was a Japan-only model so they may have forgotten all about it.
 
PeterFig said:
Hey Guys,

Just wanted to give you guys a little info on this Pro Staff 97S frame:

  • The specs posted above are correct for the upcoming Pro Staff 97S (310g, 3pt HL, 18x17, 19.5mm frame)

Peter
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Peter, when you (Wilson) say it's 19.5mm, do you really just mean 19mm? Because the Pro Staff/Tour 90's are listed at 17.5mm, but we all know it's just 17mm.

Thanks!
 
sixone90 said:
Previous thread got deleted because of the downgrade back to the old forum.

Head Size: 97"
Unstrung Weight: 310g
Unstrung Balance: 335mm (no that is not a typo!)
String Pattern: 18x17
Beam Width: 19.5mm Flat Beam

Cosmetics: Same as on the Pro Staff 97 except the W above the grip is gold, the Wilson logo on the outside of the throat is gold, the W logo at PWS is gold, the Pro Staff logo at 12 o'clock is gold and the 97S logo at 6 o'clock is gold. So basically, everything that was silver on the Pro Staff 97 is now gold on the Pro Staff 97S.

It comes with a synthetic grip, the same orange one that comes with the Pro Staff 97.

It will be released in September from what I have heard.

Please stop asking me to double check the specs, that is what is exactly what is written in the catalog. Yes, I do have pictures of the catalog but will not be posting them on this thread.
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So, 10.9 ounces unstrung.
 
PeterFig said:
Hey Guys,

Just wanted to give you guys a little info on this Pro Staff 97S frame:

  • The specs posted above are correct for the upcoming Pro Staff 97S (310g, 3pt HL, 18x17, 19.5mm frame)
  • Yes it’s true: Grigor’s 97S racquet is also the same 310g weight and of course same for the other specs. His racquet is then customized post-production by adding 20g to make the final weight at 330g.
  • The Pro Staff 97S will be going on sale in September

It's a very nice playing frame. The string pattern is the Spin Effect one, but it's the densest Wilson has so it is quite control friendly and string-breakage friendly.

Peter
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Thank you Peter
 
Say Chi Sin Lo said:
Peter, when you (Wilson) say it's 19.5mm, do you really just mean 19mm? Because the Pro Staff/Tour 90's are listed at 17.5mm, but we all know it's just 17mm.

Thanks!
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I just did a very quick / non-scientific* measurement of the one I have and to me it's 19.5mm


* no animals or children were hurt in the process


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PeterFig said:
I just did a very quick / non-scientific* measurement of the one I have and to me it's 19.5mm


* no animals or children were hurt in the process


.
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Coolio. I'm happy to see Wilson offering a thin beamed racquet. Although with a balance at HL 3, most, if not all of the customization would have to be done at the handle.
 
Having seen the unstrung specs, especially weight and balance, they are very H22 Pro Stock like.
An unstrung balance in the 330ish mm and a weight of 300-310g is around the same as my barebone H22.

Thanks PeterFig for the info!
 
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beez71 said:
Peter, I'm curious whether or not you like the 97S?
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I do like it quite a bit. I would say for the last 2 months I've played about 50/50 of my time with either the RF97 or the 97S. They both have different benefits. RF97's easy power is addictive, but there is something to be said about the thinner beam, different flex of the 97S. On any day I'm happy to pick up and play with either. I've added about 8g to the handle of the 97S just to get the balance a little closer to the RF97.
 
PeterFig said:
I do like it quite a bit. I would say for the last 2 months I've played about 50/50 of my time with either the RF97 or the 97S. They both have different benefits. RF97's easy power is addictive, but there is something to be said about the thinner beam, different flex of the 97S. On any day I'm happy to pick up and play with either. I've added about 8g to the handle of the 97S just to get the balance a little closer to the RF97.
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Thanks a lot Peter. I'm looking forward to trying it.
 
thatguyoverthere440 said:
I find it crazy that he actually has that crazy head balance on his racquet. It'll be interesting how the release goes.
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The racket is 3 pt HL stock, but by adding 20g (to the handle, prob) it's up to 7 pt.

PeterFig said:
Yes it’s true: Grigor’s 97S racquet is also the same 310g weight and of course same for the other specs. His racquet is then customized post-production by adding 20g to make the final weight at 330g.
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PeterFig said:
Hey Guys,

Just wanted to give you guys a little info on this Pro Staff 97S frame:

  • The specs posted above are correct for the upcoming Pro Staff 97S (310g, 3pt HL, 18x17, 19.5mm frame)
  • Yes it’s true: Grigor’s 97S racquet is also the same 310g weight and of course same for the other specs. His racquet is then customized post-production by adding 20g to make the final weight at 330g.
  • The Pro Staff 97S will be going on sale in September

It's a very nice playing frame. The string pattern is the Spin Effect one, but it's the densest Wilson has so it is quite control friendly and string-breakage friendly.

Peter
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Peter do you know exactly where Grigor adds his 20g of weight? is it definitely in the handle?
 
boltonfix said:
How does this compare to the standard Pro Staff 97? Thank you
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Despite a lot of similarities (head size, PWS, braided construction) there are a few key differences:

  • much narrower beam on 97S (19.5mm vs 22.5mm) = "flexier"
  • different string pattern (18x17 vs 16x19)
  • different balance. 97S is 3pt HL, 97 is 10pt HL
 
PeterFig said:
Despite a lot of similarities (head size, PWS, braided construction) there are a few key differences:

  • much narrower beam on 97S (19.5mm vs 22.5mm) = "flexier"
  • different string pattern (18x17 vs 16x19)
  • different balance. 97S is 3pt HL, 97 is 10pt HL
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Do you know the swingweight?
 
PeterFig said:
Despite a lot of similarities (head size, PWS, braided construction) there are a few key differences:

  • much narrower beam on 97S (19.5mm vs 22.5mm) = "flexier"
  • different string pattern (18x17 vs 16x19)
  • different balance. 97S is 3pt HL, 97 is 10pt HL
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Peter, are you using the same string set-up in the 97S(Champions Choice gut/poly)? Thanks in advance.
 
A question I have about this frame is why they are calling it the 97S when it's got a pretty tight 18x17 string bed?

It's counter-intuitive - the spin frames have less, not more strings, than their similar counterparts. It's got more than the PS97LS (18x16) and a noticeably tighter string bed than both the RF and PS97 frames (16x19). It's even got more string than the NON-spin PS95 frame (16x19).
 
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Spin frames have fewer crosses than mains so it fits even though it will be the least spin-friendly spin racquet.
 
YesTennis said:
Peter, are you using the same string set-up in the 97S(Champions Choice gut/poly)? Thanks in advance.
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Currently I have Champions choice same as in my RF97 but at 2 lb. looser. Restringing it this weekend - I'll up the tension to match the RF97. I've also played with it quite a bit with full poly at 50 lb - using the new Luxilon Bronze Prototype string.
 
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Bobby Jr said:
A question I have about this frame is why they are calling it the 97S when it's got a pretty tight 18x17 string bed?

It's counter-intuitive - the spin frames have less, not more strings, than their similar counterparts. It's got more than the PS97LS (18x16) and a noticeably tighter string bed than both the RF and PS97 frames (16x19). It's even got more string than the NON-spin PS95 frame (16x19).
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The "S" moniker refers to any frames that use the SpinEffect technology. That refers to any frames that have fewer crosses than mains (as Bartelby said). There are a few different string patterns of the SpineEffect frames from 16x15 to 18x17
 
PeterFig said:
Currently I have Champions choice same as in my RF97 but at 2 lb. looser. Restringing it this weekend - I'll up the tension to match the RF97. I've also played with it quite a bit with full poly at 50 lb - using the new Luxilon Bronze Prototype string.
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Sorry to bother you again, but which do you prefer(hybrid or the full poly)? Thanks for your help.
 
Could you compare the performance of the PS 97, the RF 97 and the PS 97S respectively Peter? I am particularly interested in power, manoeuvrability, launch angle, control and access to spin. Thanks in advance and I'm looking forward to the release :)
 
YesTennis said:
Sorry to bother you again, but which do you prefer(hybrid or the full poly)? Thanks for your help.
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I'm leaning more towards the hybrid. It's something I'm more familiar and comfortable with and fits my "attacker" playing style a bit better.
 
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