Wilson releasing Pro Staff 97S for Dimitrov (specs. included)

I've been using the Tour 90's for over 10 years with all kinds of different strings so I am very familiar with the flexibility of the frames. All of them feel more flexible to me than either the PS97S or RF97A. Both the PS97S and the RF97A still have that stiff, higher frequency, modern feel to them, like most modern frames do. The PS 6.0 85 and Tour 90's OTOH, have that flexier, "wood-like", old school, "dead" feel to them. They are more "thud" and less "ping" when you hit the ball.

You got an accidental like there while I was looking for the reply button. :)

I do agree that old school racquets have a better feel than the new ones. However, strings and tension do matter quite a lot when comparing flexibility/stiffness and feel.
 
Great post! And yes RA is a static measure with constant force applied. [emoji108] Again a great reference point but nothing more....
The problem is that the RA measurement is taken at only a single point on the frame (usually the throat), but the frame may flex differently at different points along the entire length of the frame. But when you hit the ball (and I guess depending on the type of shot you hit), you can feel the flex of the entire frame combined. That's why some frames with stiffer throats but more flexible hoops will feel less stiff than their RA ratings, while some frames with more flexy throats but stiffer hoops will feel more stiff than their RA ratings.
 
You got an accidental like there while I was looking for the reply button. :)

I do agree that old school racquets have a better feel than the new ones. However, strings and tension do matter quite a lot when comparing flexibility/stiffness and feel.
True, strings do matter. But sometimes you can feel if the stiffness is due to the strings or due to the frame. It comes from experience. ;)
 
Not quite cause the reason for the comfort change is different.

Leather grips are a lot firmer and thus transmit significantly more shock to your hand (funnily enough, this is what we call leather's connectedness, as the extra vibrations give us extra feedback regarding the shot, but this unfortunately may result in pain for those with problems). You can easily remove a leather grip and replace its weight by using blu tack in the buttcap or by injecting silicone into the handle, both of which are methods known to further decrease vibrations and thus improve comfort. There is no contradiction there.

I use the Wilson shock shield grip, which actually weighs more than a leather. And feels much better to me.
 
Not quite cause the reason for the comfort change is different.

Leather grips are a lot firmer and thus transmit significantly more shock to your hand (funnily enough, this is what we call leather's connectedness, as the extra vibrations give us extra feedback regarding the shot, but this unfortunately may result in pain for those with problems). You can easily remove a leather grip and replace its weight by using blu tack in the buttcap or by injecting silicone into the handle, both of which are methods known to further decrease vibrations and thus improve comfort. There is no contradiction there.

Good post and agree. I have been trying the 97s for an extended period of time and I found it much more comfortable when I removed the leather grip. My question is where do you find blu tac? I have used lead to add weight and get it a few points head light plus a Wilson replacement grip (non leather) but it takes a good amount and not sure if absorbs the vibrations as well as blu tac or silicone - neither of which I have tried.
 
My friend just passed me his PS97S to try; he weighted it up to 352 g but mostly in the handle; his strings were way to loose for me at 45lbs.
However, after 30 minutes into a doubles match, I was getting used to the string tension. I found that this racket hits a deep shot which troubled my opponents. The backhand slice was also very good with this racket.
Being lighter than the RF, it was easier to handle. The rest of the game as regards serve, volleys and ground shots were equal to the RF.
I can see myself using this if I want to win an important match. However, for the feel and pleasure in playing tennis, I am still inclined to use the PS85.
Hope this was helpful, :)
 
Hi, I'm a 35 year old Italian player very solid, with left-handed one-handed backhand, I bought this racket 20 days ago. I can only say that the frame is best I've ever experienced! I tried countless rackets in recent years (prestige, radical, blade, ps97, yonex and many others but none has the precision, power, control, the touch and feel of this 97s. I was using the radical pro last year.
My 97s Stock was 308g and 34.1 bil, I put 6 / 7g of lead under the buttcap and magic ............. !!!
It weighs 331g bil 33.1 sw 334 very manageable and the rest remained unchanged.
wow wow wow wow it does everything at the highest level.
I am going to take the other two!
thanks Wilson and Dimitrov
:)
 
Not quite cause the reason for the comfort change is different.

Leather grips are a lot firmer and thus transmit significantly more shock to your hand (funnily enough, this is what we call leather's connectedness, as the extra vibrations give us extra feedback regarding the shot, but this unfortunately may result in pain for those with problems). You can easily remove a leather grip and replace its weight by using blu tack in the buttcap or by injecting silicone into the handle, both of which are methods known to further decrease vibrations and thus improve comfort. There is no contradiction there.

Aah I see, I didnt look at it from that perspective, makes sense.
 
Put some weight on the buttcap and it'll feel better balanced.

Couldn't agree more. It transforms the racquet.

Tungsten putty is a really simple and effective weigh of adding a signficant amount of weight to the buttcap making it considerably more headlight.
 
Played a few games with a friend's PS97S a few day ago and really enjoyed it. Coming from an RF97 it seemed very whippy and maneuverable despite some of the comments above. Didn't have it long enough to make a detailed review but it was certainly enough to pique my interest. I enjoy the RF but I do hanker for a thinner beam. I never liked the PS95 as it always struck me as really too low powered. This thing had pretty easy depth and felt good in the hand. Could it be the grail? No, that'd be too easy.
 
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It seems like I read somewhere that people found the grip sizes on the ProStaff 97 frames, i.e. RF97, PS 97, etc. slightly larger than the last generation of ProStaff frames. Is this true? And does it feel that way for this new 97S racquet?
 
It seems like I read somewhere that people found the grip sizes on the ProStaff 97 frames, i.e. RF97, PS 97, etc. slightly larger than the last generation of ProStaff frames. Is this true? And does it feel that way for this new 97S racquet?

No, not to me. I have one RF97 with me, but that grip is the same size as my entire batch of 2014 PS90, 85, blx90, kps88.
 
It seems like I read somewhere that people found the grip sizes on the ProStaff 97 frames, i.e. RF97, PS 97, etc. slightly larger than the last generation of ProStaff frames. Is this true? And does it feel that way for this new 97S racquet?
No, I wouldn't say so, and I have used both versions of the 95S and the BLX 6.1 95 before my 97S
 
No, not to me. I have one RF97 with me, but that grip is the same size as my entire batch of 2014 PS90, 85, blx90, kps88.
Thanks guys.
I don't know where I read that or got that idea about the handle size, I have about 20 ProStaff 85's dating back to the early 1990's, so I thought it seemed odd for Wilson to all of a sudden, on these new frames to change the handle size or shape.
 
I have a RF97a which i find the grip to be slightly wider on the face and slightly narrower on the beam side compared to my friends pro staff 95 and 90. The butt cap and circumference feel the same to me. My friend also has a vintage pro staff classic 6.1 which feels like the grip of the 2014 pro staff 90 and 95 to me but the butt cap feels slightly smaller.

My understanding is that grip size is the measured circumference of the non flared portion of the grip with the original grip installed. I think the same true size could feel wrong due to the distribution of the sides, butt cap flare, or replacement grip being a different thickness.

Apparently yonex commonly has a thinner original grip, so I measured the bare handle and found a 3/8th is the same circumference as my RF 1/2.
 
Just got my two from TW, racket-matched. Specs:

TW leather grip (22m x 1.5mm thick)

Wilson pro over grip

MSV focus hex 1.18 (53.5lbs)

Sampras O dampener

338.6g
4 pts head light

Played first match yesterday...main difference for me coming from the PS97 (weighted to 349g and 8 pts headlight) after getting used to balance was slightly better, heavier/longer returns, "knifier" bh slice. Jury still out on serves. I like it tho! (4.5 player)
 
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<humor> I wonder why they didn't make this an autograph edition like the RF97, after all it seems like this will only be Dimitrov's racquet on tour. It could be the GD97, they could also do special release of the pro staff 97 for Marty Fish, the MF97. </humor>
 
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(warning, long post, skip it with my blessing, totally belongs in another forum except that it is no more of a derail than many of the others that have come to define this thread...this one's just ludicrously long ;)

I'm a 34 y/o 5.0, and have been using the PS97s exclusively for the monthish since it came out, demoed it the day my local store got it, didn't want to like it so much, because I was Really getting settled in with a pair of Blade 98 18x20s, but had a nagging feeling for the months approaching the release that this racquet's specs were nearly perfect, better for me than for Dimitrov, and that I would probably be seduced, expensively, should I dabble. So, sure enough, I bought one after the demo, just to see, you know, just to test the waters, secure that the 18x20s would be there, solid and consistent should this gimicky 18x17 jazz turn out to be Madison Avenue hoosefudge. I put three grams of lead tape around the buttcap to weight/flare it more and make up for switching out the thin Wilson leather grip for a Babolat Gel Excel (sp?) replacement grip and covered that with Tourna Tac (white, as inquiring minds demand to know...). I also glued a 3.5g $1 coin to the W on the buttcap (looks gold, looks great ;) which brought the racquet to 12oz without a dampener, which I use all the time, a thinnish green and black dunlop wafer, 1ish grams. This all makes it a few points headlighter, but not much. I haven't measured it all out; will do this week as I try to spec-match it with the new one I bought today... ;) ...To reply to a poster somewhere above...I have to say that in the remarkably varied bevy of offerings on the market, this is unique, and for fetishists of a certain ilk, this may indeed be The Grail. It has not aggravated my sensitive elbow at all, though it felt shocky on my wrist until I switched the leather grip out for the cushy replacement grip. I have played it with a full bed of 16g Revolve at 60lbs (demo), 16g synth Tourna Armor mains with 17g Tourna BH Silver crosses at 50/46lbs, 48/43lbs, 17g Tour Bite mains with Tourna BH Silver crosses at 50/46lbs, my probable favorite: 17g Ytex Square X mains with Tourna Armor crosses at 51/56lbs, and that brings us up to today, where I played for over three hours with 17g Luxilon Element mains and Tourna Armor crosses at 51/56lbs. I've been stringing all these on a dropweight tabletop Alpha CX machine, and interestingly (?) where my string jobs were consistently reading out on the Racquet Tune app at dead even with the target tension with the Blades, they have consistently been 5ish lbs over the averaged set weight Every time I've strung the 97s. I think it has more to do with how the app processes the pitch being tapped on an 18x17 pattern than anything else, but I don't know, and the app designers claim that it's better for gauging relative tension loss than absolute starting tension reads anyway. The 97s also appears to take about 21.5 feet to 'safely' string the mains with non-stretchy polys, more like 17.5 for the crosses, which is fine when you're working with reels but annoying/expensive if you want to split up sets to get two hybrid jobs. I am still a very new stringer, by the way, maybe 3ish months in, but a professional guitar stringer, and while I am totally willing to believe that user error is responsible for much of my experience, today just to see if I'm incompetent/crazy I had my local shop's seasoned stringer guy measure out what would be necessary for him to do a set of mains and iirc it came out to 21ft.

Anyway!! tonight I went and played pickup tennis at a local park, played a total stranger for hours, a 50 year old guy in great shape who was just pummelling the ball with his 93sq in Yonex leaded up above 14g, just getting massive spin and weight on his shots. His balls made the 97s flutter and buck in my hand, made it feel like a cheap toy, but I steeled myself to run better and began to swing harder and faster, and the quicker I whipped the Dimitrov through the air the more control I had over reversing his spin and really grabbing the ball and dipping it and knifing it wherever I wanted. NOTE: I really do not like Element in the mains in this hybrid, but it was the first time I'd ever used it, so who knows how i'd like it in a full bed or at different tensions or whatever. I played better with it than with any other string set yet in the racquet, but attribute that entirely to my own growing relationship with the racquet, as the strings felt like they did not add nearly anything in the way of spin and control, just maybe a little extra power which made balls want to sail on me for the first hour until they lost a lot of their elasticity, died a little, and then I was able to kill the ball flat with precision, which was enjoyable in spite of having somewhat sub-par access to spin/more string displacement with the Element compared to the shaped Ytex Square X. These are actually my main compliments for the racquet: phenomenal aerodynamics, knifes through the air, and it acts like a tight pattern when you block or kill the ball flat but as an open pattern when you really rip into a topspin or slice. This is exActly what I wanted out of the racquet when I read about it for the months before its release, but it's pretty amazing how the specs all came together. It feels like a magic wand, which is my highest praise for a racquet since the Aero Storm, my favorite Babolat ever. Playing against a Pure Aero or an RF97 you can feel that their balls are coming with more weight and zip than yours, but for me the sheer pleasure of play is incomparably higher with this racquet, and for me that is really the point of tennis: experiencing joy in executing some fraction of my delusions-of-grandeur art shots rather than playing at the highest objective level the most consistently for the express purpose of winning matches.

My next goal is to tailweight it enough to allow a little extra lead at 3 and 9 to see if increased power and stability can coincide with increased maneuverability...

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Played 1.5 hours with a demo last night. Strings were the new Hyper G from Solinco at 50lbs. I added 13 grams of lead to the handle which made it 4pts HL. Not sure what the exact weight was but I would say close to 12oz. This thing is a knife for sure. Backhand slices just cut the ball and you can get some gnarly spin with this thing. This racquet whips through the air fast and it never felt demanding or cumbersome. Because of it's thin beam I almost felt like it may get pushed around but as you get used to it you realize that it can handle a heavy ball. I'll know more as I play some bigger hitters this week. I can pop my serves pretty good with it but I'll need a few more sessions with it to get used to the feel.

The only thing I didn't like was the non flared out butt cap which has sharp edges on the bevels at the bottom of the cap which dug in my hand a bit. I would file the edges down and build up the cap a bit. Other than that I'm liking the racquet. Great feel with some good pop. Might make a switch but will need a few more sessions with it.
 
I wonder why they didn't make this an autograph edition like the RF97, after all it seems like this will only be Dimitrov's racquet on tour. It could be the GD97, they could also do special release of the pro staff 97 for Marty Fish, the MF97.

Because Dimitrov and Fish are nobodies, compared to Federer. Last time Wilson made an autograph edition, before the RFA, it was year 1976: they don't it that often.
 
question:
is there any player with one-handed backhand that is using this racquet stock?

I played with it stock for a bit. Was really hard to setup consistently with it, and I like to think I'm a better mover than most. If you're hitting against a heavy ball, I found it extremely hard to hit over more than under.
 
I agree ClintimusPrime... my current setup is .. balance 32.8 cm, weight 333g with 9g in buttcap
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What did you use in the buttcap? I put 13g of lead on the handle about 2" from the cap to about 6". Balance point came to about 33cm. I assume I could get it more HL with less lead by putting weight in the cap instead. Played like a beast though with a heavy ball and solid on returns and volleys.
 
@jklos exact, my racket had a balance of 34.1 cm Strung Weight, with a coin 6g and 3g with lead fishing in the last 2 / 3cm handle, + overgrip (4g), I brought balance to 32.8cm with ONLY 9g, weight 333g, SW 333 .. is really handy!
With this configuration, the racket is super, heavy ball, precision, good control!

Only with this "beast" when I hit the lines I try ......... incredible accuracy!
the best racket at the moment!
 
@jklos exact, my racket had a balance of 34.1 cm Strung Weight, with a coin 6g and 3g with lead fishing in the last 2 / 3cm handle, + overgrip (4g), I brought balance to 32.8cm with ONLY 9g, weight 333g, SW 333 .. is really handy!
With this configuration, the racket is super, heavy ball, precision, good control!

Only with this "beast" when I hit the lines I try ......... incredible accuracy!
the best racket at the moment!

In addition and IMO, the 97S is by far the best feeling in the PS97 series.
 
What did you use in the buttcap? I put 13g of lead on the handle about 2" from the cap to about 6". Balance point came to about 33cm. I assume I could get it more HL with less lead by putting weight in the cap instead. Played like a beast though with a heavy ball and solid on returns and volleys.

First - hello fellow Vancouver-ite! :)

If you go down to your local Home Hardware or Michaels you can pick up some Tack Putty. Just open the trap door, scrape out some of the foam and stick the putty in. It's heavy, easy to manipulate, solid, and can be removed if you don't like it. As you said you can also place it right at the end of the handle to get a more HL balance with the same or less weight.

I've put 20g into my latest 97S .... I think the balance strung w/ overgrip was around 32.25 if I recall correctly.


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Hey Peter!
Thanks for the info. I'm returning my demo of the PS97S today. I really enjoyed it. If I decide to purchase, I'm hoping I can find a few on the lower end of the swingweight spectrum. Ideally around 330SW. Then I would add the tack to get it around 6pts HL. The feel and stability were great. The thin beam allows you to really knife the ball on slices. Looks great too!
 
Tried the 97S side by side with the Blade 98 18x20 and the only thing I thought the 97S did better was the feel. Overall the blade won out. On a side note, the blade 16x19 was terrible. I literally hit 5 shots with it and put it down. I could not believe how it was so different from the 18x20. 97S is still a good frame but the blade is special.
 
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