Wilson Ultra Tour (Monfils)

jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
According to this thread it will actually be a h19, highly doubt it though, more and more it's beginning to sound like an Endorsed line rather than a 'use' line...

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/bless-bornas-pretty-little-heart.590821/
Some very optimistic posters, or should I say poster saying it will be %100 h19 as used by some pro's in platform 305gr... time will tell, but I have yet to see a good 'use' line released ;-)
I have the new stick in my hands as we speak...

The new frame is called the Ultra Tour and will be available 8/15; retail will be $250. Dealers are seeing the frame this month.

Specs are:

97 sq. in
20 MM box beam
305g/10.8 oz.
18x20
31.5 cm balance/9 pts. HL
27 inch.
RA 58 strung (measured today on RDC machine)
Grip is foam filled; not sure about entire frame...

I have hit with it several times now and it has the classic feel that my H19 has! Might add a few grams to the head but not much else needed!

All of you guys longing for H19's get your wallet ready!
I will mention (like my H19's) the racket is a bit of a string snob. I've strung this new stick with full poly, poly/multi hybrid and full multi trying to dial in the right feel. So far the full multi plays best. I still get plenty of spin due to the flex of the frame and the depth is much better. I have plans all week end and can't get out to hit but next week I'm going to string full bed gut and see how she responds. I'll keep you updated...
Pardon my synicism - '...has the classic feel that my H19 has'; '...like my H19's'. So, is it an H19, or is it just an old mold reused with whatever - presumably cheaper - layup is commercially viable? It's actually much cheaper for a company to not have to make a new mold if they can get away with it. You seem to have stepped back from directly calling it an H19 in the sense that it is an actual pro stock, materials, lay up and all?
 
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Crie

Rookie
I don't think you understand what is a pro-stock frame. This is exactly the type of frames pro will use and modify to suit their needs.

I am personnally stoked that Wilson is considering releasing such a frame to the public. It's also the same reason many say these frames won't sell, because they just don't get what a pro frame is. As TennisTodd pointed out, it's not even that light or that low a sw for a platform frame.

Hey TW, put me on the demo list please! :)
Maybe I'll get used to to 18x20s, just for this stick. Depends on the twist-weight though. If that is too high, I'm just going with the TC97.
 

TennisTodd

New User
Pardon my synicism - '...has the classic feel that my H19 has'; '...like my H19's'. So, is it an H19, or is it just an old mold reused with whatever - presumably cheaper - layup is commercially viable? It's actually much cheaper for a company to not have to make a new mold if they can get away with it. You seem to have stepped back from directly calling it an H19 in the sense that it is an actual pro stock, materials, lay up and all?
Let me be clear; It is an H19...
 

Pleb123

Semi-Pro
Pardon my synicism - '...has the classic feel that my H19 has'; '...like my H19's'. So, is it an H19, or is it just an old mold reused with whatever - presumably cheaper - layup is commercially viable? It's actually much cheaper for a company to not have to make a new mold if they can get away with it. You seem to have stepped back from directly calling it an H19 in the sense that it is an actual pro stock, materials, lay up and all?
As far as layup and flex goes it can differ, can't it, between pro stocks of the same mold? So there would not necessarily be one single, uniform pro stock H19 layup and flex that the retail would need to be identical with in order to qualify as an H19. The key and exciting features as I see it are the mold (beam width, hoop size, shape, etc), much lower flex than the retail trend for high 60's or 70's RDC stiffness, customisable weight/ balance and foam filled. I also like 18x20 and there is a dearth of them being produced at present in favour of 'spin-friendly' patterns. The graphite used in pro stocks and retail I thought was the same high modulus stuff.
 

racket king

Banned
I don't think you understand what is a pro-stock frame. This is exactly the type of frames pro will use and modify to suit their needs.

I am personnally stoked that Wilson is considering releasing such a frame to the public. It's also the same reason many say these frames won't sell, because they just don't get what a pro frame is. As TennisTodd pointed out, it's not even that light or that low a sw for a platform frame.
I'm well aware of what a 'pro-stock' frame is as I've owned several, but this isn't a pro-stock frame. This is a marketing driven retail racket that's going to be absolutely feeble in power and going to weigh about 350g+ by the time you've managed to get it stable.
 

Crie

Rookie
Let me be clear; It is an H19...
Is there a 16x19 version of the Ultra Tour(H19) or does it only come in 18x20?
EDIT: Also, can you try and measure the twistweight of the racquet?

I am pretty sure this is how:
Measure the racquet like you would regularly for swingweight, except put the racquet perpendicular to the ground and get the RDC number. Subtract this new number from the regular swingweight number(was it 315?). The difference should be within 10% +/- of the twistweight.
 

Crie

Rookie
I'm well aware of what a 'pro-stock' frame is as I've owned several, but this isn't a pro-stock frame. This is a marketing driven retail racket that's going to be absolutely feeble in power and going to weigh about 350g+ by the time you've managed to get it stable.
350 sounds alright for a sw of 350~ and a 32.5~ balance. That should get the racquet around quick enough for most people. But then again, I don't know your strokes/specs/game etc...
 

AMGF

Professional
Not sure how you get to 350g+. According to my caculations, with 10g from 10 to 2 and a leather grip it should be at 341sw, 336g and 6hl. It still has room for fine tuning the sw/tw and the frame would still be In the 330s low 340s.
 

racket king

Banned
Not sure how you get to 350g+. According to my caculations, with 10g from 10 to 2 and a leather grip it should be at 341sw, 336g and 6hl. It still has room for fine tuning the sw/tw and the frame would still be In the 330s low 340s.
You must be inexperienced with racket customisation.

305g
31.5 cm

String it with 1.25mm poly weighing 16g.

321g
32.5 cm

Throw say 10g in the hoop and you're at:

331g
33-33.5 cm

That's going hideously unbalanced so you're probably looking at around another ~10g in the handle, maybe some in the throat as well.

341g
32.5 cm

Throw in a 6g OG, 2.5g damp, maybe a small amount of lead in the throat plus a ton of tweaking and you're at 350g with all no guarantee that it will play right.
 

AMGF

Professional
I started with the 315g and 312sw tennistodd gave us.

But let's say you are at 321g to begin with, let's suppose the higher weight string doesn't bring up the SW at all and it is the same 312sw TennisTodd gave us for 315g (unrealistic but just for fun of doing the maths).

Throw 10g at the hoop, now 331g 343sw and 4HL. Just like that it sounds pretty sweet to me.

Let's say you add 10g to the handle to compensate the "hideously unblanced" 4pt HL you now have. You're now holding at 341g, 343SW and 6HL frame. By the way 4pt hl is a very nice balance, it is for me at least. Anyway, with this 10g, you're now at 6HL.

Now why would you need a damper in a 58ra foam filled frame? But let's throw it in there, you're still at 343g, 345sw 6HL.

Now let's suppose you have a 8g overgrip. You can always take back that 8g from removing the 8 of the 10g you threw in there to counter balance the "hideously unbalanced frame" in the first place. But let's say you don't do that. By now you're at 351g and have a cool 345sw and 8hl. Not too bad, but it is what your choices were.

Why put 1.25mm in a 18x20? You could easily go 1.20mm or even 1.15mm in a 18x20. Remember I didn't change the SW at all for the higher weight of the strings. You don't need strings that thick in a close pattern frame. Why add a damper in a foam filled frame? Why did you decide to add 18g to the handle? Since when is 351g and 345SW unplayable anyway?

Don't take it wrong, but I think you're just not the type of player for that type of frame. I think it is quite good actually. You can also make it very polarized or depolarized depending on your choices. It is a true players frame (low ra, thin, foam filled) and very tuneable. It is actually so good, I'll believe it when I'll see it. Until then, this is just a unicorn...
 

JohnBPittsburgh

Hall of Fame
I can make it work also...I didn't feel like typing everything out. Also, the LTD is not an underweight lemon. But, I think it's just easier to say, "I agree to disagree" and move on. There is no frame that will make everyone happy. Wilson releasing an H19 being no exception (I would really like to see the cost per frame go up $25 with the caveat that Wilson is tightening tolerances to +- 3 grams, +-1 RA, and SW +- 5. But that is really a Unicorn.

Glad to see Wilson thinking outside the box on this frame.
 

Automatix

Hall of Fame
If I didn't know better I'd say @racket king sells H19 prostocks and is angry that this will seriously affect his sales & prices. :p

On a serious note. I don't understand the whining. If the information in the various threads is correct we get a pro mold, layup & foam filled racquet at specs which, granted, might not be perfect for everyone but from Wilsons standpoint I think these are the best because you've still got some room for modification and stock it should please the average rec player looking for a soft, control oriented frame. There are no specs on earth that will please everyone but we get common ground with the proper mold, layup and foam filling - Hallelujah!

From what I gather not everybody is fond of the higher swingweight, clubby like playing behaviour of the Blade - didn't see anyone complaining about their stiffness so this frame stock might satisfy those who were looking for something more manoeuvrable. For those that think it is too light there's lead tape, leather grips and so on...

As for the string pattern... well, Monfils & Keys use 18x20, and Coric IIRC settled with the 18x20. Isn't that what we always point out? I mean sceneratio where... Yeah, you know Murray is using a PT630 BUT with a 16x19, never released to the public. So we are getting the string pattern the endorsing players are using. It is only fair.

So while I hate Wilson for its QC I have to bow down before them now because they are doing what Head should have down.
Dear Head representatives or whomever... read, learn & adapt or die...


Why put 1.25mm in a 18x20? You could easily go 1.20mm or even 1.15mm in a 18x20. Remember I didn't change the SW at all for the higher weight of the strings. You don't need strings that thick in a close pattern frame. Why add a damper in a foam filled frame? Why did you decide to add 18g to the handle? Since when is 351g and 345SW unplayable anyway?
It isn't. Loved a pro stock H19 at around 350g and a balance of 323mm (ready to play) strung with Polyfibre TCS 1.20mm (18x20 pattern). The racquet which is to be sold might just be the one I loved so much.

Well, if it is H19 mould, then headguards for H19 pro stocks may now be available (if it fits).
Drill pattern will be essential. 18x20 means squat. Time will tell. I have a similar hope regarding my Almagro PB10.
 

racket king

Banned
If I didn't know better I'd say @racket king sells H19 prostocks and is angry that this will seriously affect his sales & prices. :p
Nope, I don't sell them. Had a couple of Wilson pro-stocks years ago but they went as soon as some idiot offered me silly money for them thinking that they were going make him play like Raonic, Monfils etc.

I can guarantee you though that this Ultra isn't a pro-stock racket and that it's going to be a dog to customize. It's very much a marketing driven retail racket. It's only the 3.5/4.0 internet message board crowd on here that whip themselves up into a frenzy thinking that a racket with a 'code' on it is going to magically make them play better tennis.
 

AMGF

Professional
Nope, I don't sell them. Had a couple of Wilson pro-stocks years ago but they went as soon as some idiot offered me silly money for them thinking that they were going make him play like Raonic, Monfils etc.

I can guarantee you though that this Ultra isn't a pro-stock racket and that it's going to be a dog to customize. It's very much a marketing driven retail racket. It's only the 3.5/4.0 internet message board crowd on here that whip themselves up into a frenzy thinking that a racket with a 'code' on it is going to magically make them play better tennis.
I never realised that thank you. I foolishly thought it was players looking for players frame in a sea of of ultra stiff, ultra hollow, ultra lightweight frames that the same 3.5-4.0 rave about on the same forum.

I will say it for the last time, you really don't get it. Here let me show you:

 

waginen

Rookie
Nope, I don't sell them. Had a couple of Wilson pro-stocks years ago but they went as soon as some idiot offered me silly money for them thinking that they were going make him play like Raonic, Monfils etc.

I can guarantee you though that this Ultra isn't a pro-stock racket and that it's going to be a dog to customize. It's very much a marketing driven retail racket. It's only the 3.5/4.0 internet message board crowd on here that whip themselves up into a frenzy thinking that a racket with a 'code' on it is going to magically make them play better tennis.
Says our 4.5 star..
 

The Big Kahuna

Hall of Fame
Nope, I don't sell them. Had a couple of Wilson pro-stocks years ago but they went as soon as some idiot offered me silly money for them thinking that they were going make him play like Raonic, Monfils etc.

I can guarantee you though that this Ultra isn't a pro-stock racket and that it's going to be a dog to customize. It's very much a marketing driven retail racket. It's only the 3.5/4.0 internet message board crowd on here that whip themselves up into a frenzy thinking that a racket with a 'code' on it is going to magically make them play better tennis.
I sort of have to agree here. The Pros simply endorse models to help sell them - none of them play with racquets remotely close to the one in your bag.

Some of the best racquets out there that would actually benefit players like you and me right now don't even have a pro endorsement, to be very honest - Angell, Donnay, Pro Kenney, Volkl, Prince Textreme, etc.

These are great racquets for the 4.0 to 5.5 players that might actually help the games that they have - not the ones the imagine they could have.

A H19 frame is not going to cure your sore arm or correct your crappy backhand - but it might be an improvement over what you have now, I suppose.


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RoarTT

Semi-Pro
Can anyone who has used both the H19 and the H22 comment on how they differ in terms of playability? And is the H22 a PT57A clone and the H19 a clone of something else or how was it?

:)
 

ae1222

Semi-Pro
I have owned all of these and in my opinion the H19 plays similar to the PT57A (I liked the head better) and the H22 was more along the lines of the Head Radical Tour.
 

Panquake

Rookie
Can anyone who has used both the H19 and the H22 comment on how they differ in terms of playability? And is the H22 a PT57A clone and the H19 a clone of something else or how was it?

:)
I have 2 H22's so I will let you know how they compare when the Ultra Tour I released
 

Panquake

Rookie
I have GREAT news for everyone in this thread! I have pictures of the new Ultra Tour (and the Ultra 100, but who cares). A local tennis shop got in 2 Ultra Tours along with other versions of the new Ultra line to string for some Wilson employees. I am friends with the owner, so I got to look at the new line. I do have to say, the color wasn't what I was hoping for, but oh well.
 

QuentinFederer

Professional
I have GREAT news for everyone in this thread! I have pictures of the new Ultra Tour (and the Ultra 100, but who cares). A local tennis shop got in 2 Ultra Tours along with other versions of the new Ultra line to string for some Wilson employees. I am friends with the owner, so I got to look at the new line. I do have to say, the color wasn't what I was hoping for, but oh well.
Can you share the pictures?
 

The Big Kahuna

Hall of Fame
I have GREAT news for everyone in this thread! I have pictures of the new Ultra Tour (and the Ultra 100, but who cares). A local tennis shop got in 2 Ultra Tours along with other versions of the new Ultra line to string for some Wilson employees. I am friends with the owner, so I got to look at the new line. I do have to say, the color wasn't what I was hoping for, but oh well.
There is a photo of a poster for this racket on another thread online right now.


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Panquake

Rookie
The one thing I really don't like about this, is that it is a full glossy paint job. I much prefer the feel of a matte paint job. (By the way the racket does not have countervail in it, it only has the paint of it).
 

Panquake

Rookie
If y'all want more pictures, just let me know! I took as many as I could because after they are strung, they are being sent back. Luckily for me, the owner is getting his demo set a month early (July), and I'm first on the list to demo.
 

RoarTT

Semi-Pro
I was hoping for a matte black with a royal blue at 3 & 9
That would have been nice, but im still more than satisfied i would say. Normally i would agree with you and say that i would have wished for a matt PJ, but there are so many of them these days i actually enjoyed seeing a glossy one.

Thanks for sharing the pics! :)
 

Panquake

Rookie
That would have been nice, but im still more than satisfied i would say. Normally i would agree with you and say that i would have wished for a matt PJ, but there are so many of them these days i actually enjoyed seeing a glossy one.

Thanks for sharing the pics! :)
I'm glad to share it so everyone here can feel a little bit of the joy I had holding them. I really like the look of a matte paint job, but I like the feel so much more!
 

Phantasm

Semi-Pro
so from the pics it definitely looks like a h22/h19 mold.. specs leave so much room for customization too...this looks like a frame worth investing in...

is it the pics or is the racquet base a dark navy and not an actual true black with the baby blue 3/9?
 

RoarTT

Semi-Pro
so from the pics it definitely looks like a h22/h19 mold.. specs leave so much room for customization too...this looks like a frame worth investing in...

is it the pics or is the racquet base a dark navy and not an actual true black with the baby blue 3/9?
Yes, its navy, not black :)
 

Phantasm

Semi-Pro
Yes, its navy, not black :)
nice! i love blue rackets. first time i've been excited about a retail racket release in years!

gonna have to stop by one of my local shops and see if I can get a demo of it early...

looking forward to hear peoples' impressions as more people get chances to hit it.
 

Panquake

Rookie
so from the pics it definitely looks like a h22/h19 mold.. specs leave so much room for customization too...this looks like a frame worth investing in...

is it the pics or is the racquet base a dark navy and not an actual true black with the baby blue 3/9?
It is an H19 mold... I have 2 H22's and it is nothing like them.
 

Phantasm

Semi-Pro
It is an H19 mold... I have 2 H22's and it is nothing like them.
so h19 is the pt57a clone as you mentioned

As you being someone who has seen both, what is the difference between h22 and h19 mold apart from h19 being thinner beam? I'm guessing drilling pattern is a bit different?

looking forward to your hitting impressions @Panquake
 

Panquake

Rookie
so h19 is the pt57a clone as you mentioned

As you being someone who has seen both, what is the difference between h22 and h19 mold apart from h19 being thinner beam? I'm guessing drilling pattern is a bit different?

looking forward to your hitting impressions @Panquake
I wasn't the one who said it is a PT57a clone. But the throat isn't as big on the H19 as it is on the H22. I can fit my finger in my H22 and spin it around, but I couldn't get a pinky in the H19.
 

lidoazndiabloboi

Professional
so h19 is the pt57a clone as you mentioned

As you being someone who has seen both, what is the difference between h22 and h19 mold apart from h19 being thinner beam? I'm guessing drilling pattern is a bit different?

looking forward to your hitting impressions @Panquake
The H19 is not a clone of the PT57A. They share a similar mold but the H19 is 97/98 sq in, while the PT57A is 95 sq in.
 

Crie

Rookie
I never realised that thank you. I foolishly thought it was players looking for players frame in a sea of of ultra stiff, ultra hollow, ultra lightweight frames that the same 3.5-4.0 rave about on the same forum.

I will say it for the last time, you really don't get it. Here let me show you:

Please tell me you drew that. That is just way too hilarious.
 
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