Wilson Ultra Tour (Monfils)

Panquake

Rookie
I agree with your first point, I am a 16x19 addict... but why would they not give us an Ultra Tour 16x19 like they did with the Blades?
The blades are known for having 16x19, 18x20, and Wilson spin string patterns. The Ultra Tour is an H19 and 18x20 is the string pattern it was made with (I have 2 H22's with 18x20 pattern). Although I agree a 16x20 would be very nice.
 

PT630Wannabe

Professional
It may well be that this racquet is being made knowing exactly the audience that is looking for it: PT57a peeps. Other than Murray, that is an 18x20 frame. Adding a different string pattern might muddle the intention.
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
I'm not really seeing a problem here...

You like the specs, the design, the promise of what it is and what it could be... Buy the thing... Enjoy... Share your experience...

You Don't... DON'T BUY IT... Move On... It's called choice... Be thankful it exists... Find something else... Buy it... Enjoy... Share your experience...

You bought it (when it's out)... Don't like it... You feel disappointed... Share your experience... Find something else... Hopefully you enjoy it... Share your experience...

No-one is right or wrong... It's an opinion... Express it... Accept yourself... Accept others... Now BREATHE!!!... It's all just an experience...

Personally... I like the specs, the design, the promise of what it is and what it could be... I'm gonna buy it... I hope I'll enjoy it... I'll tell you about it...

But most importantly... Can't wait to hear what YOU think...

Now where were we... Oh yeah... Quiet Please, Players are ready.... PLAY
 
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Imago

Hall of Fame
I'm not really seeing a problem here...

You like the specs, the design, the promise of what it is and what it could be... Buy the thing... Enjoy... Share your experience...

You Don't... DON'T BUY IT... Move On... It's called choice... Be thankful it exists... Find something else... Buy it... Enjoy... Share your experience...

You bought it (when it's out)... Don't like it... You feel disappointed... Share your experience... Find something else... Hopefully you enjoy it... Share your experience...

No-one is right or wrong... It's an opinion... Express it... Accept yourself... Accept others... Now BREATHE!!!... It's all just an experience...

Personally... I like the specs, the design, the promise of what it is and what it could be... I'm gonna buy it... I hope I'll enjoy it... I'll tell you about it...

But most importantly... Can't wait to hear what YOU think...

Now where were we... Oh yeah... Quiet Please, Players are ready.... PLAY
Experientialism...

Nihil est in intellectu quod non fuerit prius in sensu... nisi intellectus ipsum. Don't be afraid to trust the power of your intellect and its a priori knowledge. ;)
 

Crie

Rookie
It may well be that this racquet is being made knowing exactly the audience that is looking for it: PT57a peeps. Other than Murray, that is an 18x20 frame. Adding a different string pattern might muddle the intention.
No harm at all adding a 16x19 pattern. They still can get the message across that this is a players stick. They probably will sell more too.

The blades are known for having 16x19, 18x20, and Wilson spin string patterns. The Ultra Tour is an H19 and 18x20 is the string pattern it was made with (I have 2 H22's with 18x20 pattern). Although I agree a 16x20 would be very nice.
What is this sentimental attachment to 18x20s and original pattern lol? Its just a matter of preference no? Maybe I sound like a dumbass and there something that flew over my head.
 
I do plan on buying this racquet and sharing my experience. However, here are some things that I am hesitant about.

- Price but as a racquet-holic I will get over it quickly
- Five years ago I would have been super stoked about this offering. I played wih the Dunlop 200 series starting with muscle weave up to the bio 200. A few of these Dunlop offerings had low stiffness in the high 50's like the hot melt and I really enjoyed that frame. Now a days, I have gravitated towards 16x19 frames with big sweet spots and spin (aka Pure Drive Tour, Extreme Pro). These racquets help me make my serve and groundstrokes be more difficult for my oppenents to handle. I have yet to find an 18x20 that I can get the same bite but I haven't played around with customizing them enough to try. I am also unsure at the 'free power' I will get as well.
- Finding the right lead combo that works. I am not great at customizing my frames so I may just ask Paul to do it for me. :). My ideal specs are 12oz with a 330ish swingweight (strung).

None of these will cause me to not purchase the frame as I loving that this may be an H19, low RA rating, foam filled, etc. if it doesn't work I will just add it to my collection. Plus, I am really digging the paint job. Looking forward to reading everyone's reviews and how they are customizing the frame.
 

JGads

Hall of Fame
I do plan on buying this racquet and sharing my experience. However, here are some things that I am hesitant about.

- Price but as a racquet-holic I will get over it quickly
- Five years ago I would have been super stoked about this offering. I played wih the Dunlop 200 series starting with muscle weave up to the bio 200. A few of these Dunlop offerings had low stiffness in the high 50's like the hot melt and I really enjoyed that frame. Now a days, I have gravitated towards 16x19 frames with big sweet spots and spin (aka Pure Drive Tour, Extreme Pro). These racquets help me make my serve and groundstrokes be more difficult for my oppenents to handle. I have yet to find an 18x20 that I can get the same bite but I haven't played around with customizing them enough to try. I am also unsure at the 'free power' I will get as well.
- Finding the right lead combo that works. I am not great at customizing my frames so I may just ask Paul to do it for me. :). My ideal specs are 12oz with a 330ish swingweight (strung).

None of these will cause me to not purchase the frame as I loving that this may be an H19, low RA rating, foam filled, etc. if it doesn't work I will just add it to my collection. Plus, I am really digging the paint job. Looking forward to reading everyone's reviews and how they are customizing the frame.
Exactly. This is not a free-power frame that will, in the long run, be for most. This is for old-school frame snobs. Feel-mongers. Those of us who shake our heads at the plethora of hollow, tinny-feeling sticks always coming out and offering more spin and more power, before we then go have lunch at Whole Foods. We like organic, undisturbed feel; not additives. In the end this frame might not be for us, either; the Tec 315 Limited was the last truly special offering in terms of old school feel. I went down the path of lead hell with that one, and eventually gave it up. But: I will always remember that frame and that love affair with pure fondness. No regrets. Wilson, the company of goats Sampras and Federer, of the goaty handle shape and the classic Pro Staff and K90 box beams, has gotten lost in marketing and modern-frame weirdness over the last decade. This stick is finally something different and for the snobs. I'll have to hit it, just to see. Onward.
 
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SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
Seriously considering getting one as a feeding stick or so. Strings will last, comfort should be a given, control, feel... What more could one need?

I'm guessing @dgoran will be testing this one?
 

gutfeeling

Professional
Exactly. This is not a free-power frame that will, in the long run, be for most. This is for old-school frame snobs. Feel-mongers. Those of us who shake our heads at the plethora of hollow, tinny-feeling sticks always coming out and offering more spin and more power, before we then go have lunch at Whole Foods. We like organic, undisturbed feel; not additives. In the end this frame might not be us, either; the Tec 315 Limited was the last truly special offering in terms of old school feel. I went down the path of lead hell with that one, and eventually gave it up. But: I will always remember that frame and that love affair with pure fondness. No regrets. Wilson, the company of goats Sampras and Federer, of the goaty handle shape and the classic Pro Staff and K90 box beams, has gotten lost in marketing and modern-frame weirdness over the last decade. This stick is finally something different and for the snobs. I'll have to hit it, just to see. Onward.
Couldn't agree more.
 

sma1001

Hall of Fame
It will be interesting to see if the lay up is such that the racquet actually plays like an H19 (or PT57a). There is a risk that this is a look-a-like but without the graphite layering to provide the same feel and response. Lets hope it does.
 

teachingprotx

Hall of Fame
I know which rackets I'm choosing on my next wilson advisory staff contract.
I am super happy about this. I'm really hoping this will encourage other manufacturers to make a lighter platform frame with more flex.
Personally and I assume I'm one of the few in the world but I would love to see a frame lighter still and with more flex than this one:)

I've never hit a ball with a h19 or a h 22 or any pt57's.
I have hit with a head pt 280.
And I have played with a head PT 630.
Personally when I was younger I enjoyed the 630 so much I used it till it broke . Then got more but they were 280's .which felt stiff in compRison.
I don't want to get to off the thread point but I am hoping this wilson ultra feels similiar to the old head pt 630.
If it does . I may be able to get this thing down to under 11oz strung . Get rid of the bumper gaurd . Do a little sanding here and there and cut some length off her:)
 

Automatix

Hall of Fame
It will be interesting to see if the lay up is such that the racquet actually plays like an H19 (or PT57a). There is a risk that this is a look-a-like but without the graphite layering to provide the same feel and response. Lets hope it does.
With so many gearheads on this board I am sure there will be numerous comparisons including side by side ones.
 

Panquake

Rookie
It will be interesting to see if the lay up is such that the racquet actually plays like an H19 (or PT57a). There is a risk that this is a look-a-like but without the graphite layering to provide the same feel and response. Lets hope it does.
There has already been someone that works in the industry that confirmed it plays and feels like his H19
 

racket king

Banned
There has already been someone that works in the industry that confirmed it plays and feels like his H19
Works in the industry? As what? Shop assistant at Dick's Sporting Goods? Someone somewhere on the internet said something and you're suddenly taking it as gospel?

I know people within Wilson and I can 100% guarantee you that this will NOT be a pro-stock racket with a H19 layup.
 
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Panquake

Rookie
Works in the industry? As what? Shop assistant at Dick's Sporting Goods? Someone somewhere on the internet said something and you're suddenly taking it as gospel?

I know people within Wilson and I can 100% guarantee you that this will NOT a pro-stock racket with a H19 layup.
I have seen it in person and it is, and he called it a month earlier.
 

roger presley

Hall of Fame
Works in the industry? As what? Shop assistant at Dick's Sporting Goods? Someone somewhere on the internet said something and you're suddenly taking it as gospel?

I know people within Wilson and I can 100% guarantee you that this will NOT a pro-stock racket with a H19 layup.
Same here.
 

PT630Wannabe

Professional
Works in the industry? As what? Shop assistant at Dick's Sporting Goods? Someone somewhere on the internet said something and you're suddenly taking it as gospel?

I know people within Wilson and I can 100% guarantee you that this will NOT be a pro-stock racket with a H19 layup.

Were you abused by a Pro Stock racquet as a child or something? So much anger.
 

racket king

Banned
I think he just doesn't want everyone to get their hopes up. The tennis industry is no stranger to lying/misleading customers.
Wilson's not misleading anyone. It's just the usual 3.5/4.0 rec player crowd on here getting into a lather over nothing. If people like this racket, buy it, but don't buy it on the basis that it's some H19, H23, H2O etc and it's going to suddenly make you play like Monfils and certainly don't base your buying decision on anyone who tells you that it's a pro-stock racket because it isn't.
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
You lot are complete suckers. Try improving your actual tennis instead of thinking that a PT643 or whatever is going to improve your game. It won't.
I agree... but maybe it will make it more pleasant... we'll all see when the racquet comes out and people try it.

But you're right we should all work on improving our game... both mental and physical
 

Crie

Rookie
Wilson's not misleading anyone. It's just the usual 3.5/4.0 rec player crowd on here getting into a lather over nothing. If people like this racket, buy it, but don't buy it on the basis that it's some H19, H23, H2O etc and it's going to suddenly make you play like Monfils and certainly don't base your buying decision on anyone who tells you that it's a pro-stock racket because it isn't.
The RF97 was most definitely not what fed used when they marketed it as "his racquet of choice."

No one buys pro stocks because it makes them play like their favourite pros. They buy them, mainly, because:

1 - They have a very plush and soft connected feel that you can't find in retail racquets
2 - They are light and are very customization friendly
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
I think he just doesn't want everyone to get their hopes up. The tennis industry is no stranger to lying/misleading customers.
I agree with you... however, so far as I'm aware (and I could be wrong), Wilson hasn't actually come out and said..."We are releasing the H19 pro stock racquet to the public in the form of the Ultra Tour retail racquet"... so no deception there.

Now someone (who says he's from the industry - and I'm not doubting it) has come out to inform us that indeed it will be the H19 underneath. Very exciting... let's see when it comes out...
 

Crie

Rookie
Nope, I don't sell them. Had a couple of Wilson pro-stocks years ago but they went as soon as some idiot offered me silly money for them thinking that they were going make him play like Raonic, Monfils etc.

I can guarantee you though that this Ultra isn't a pro-stock racket and that it's going to be a dog to customize. It's very much a marketing driven retail racket. It's only the 3.5/4.0 internet message board crowd on here that whip themselves up into a frenzy thinking that a racket with a 'code' on it is going to magically make them play better tennis.
I feel like we need to ask you basic questions.

1. What do you want out of a tennis racquet?

2. Have you ever switched racquets? Why?

3. What makes this racquet a "3.5/40 gimme gimme" and not any other racquet(Burn 100s)?

4. What type of marketing driven racket is this? I can guarantee you that 98% of people that are related to tennis have never heard of a pro stock or a h22.
 

teachingprotx

Hall of Fame
I will say navy blue clothing is my fave color to wear . And I liked the navy on the puma super . The navy with aqua is well.. cheap looking in my opinion . I know red screams pro staff and now blue = ultra .
But aqua .. hmmmm
Really don't dig the boring basic Color blocks on the side not on just this one but all the new rackets from Wilson have this. Looks rushed last minute .. my two nobody cares two cents . Would have been more statley all navy with silver and red accents . Gloss or matte . Will have fun with this though it's gonna be a fun art project down the road . I'm thinking half navy split down the middle at 12 o'clock thru the throat to the handle other half fire engine red . Silver Wilson fonts

Optic yellow poly with a small squash racket size red w stencil
 

PT630Wannabe

Professional
Wilson's not misleading anyone. It's just the usual 3.5/4.0 rec player crowd on here getting into a lather over nothing. If people like this racket, buy it, but don't buy it on the basis that it's some H19, H23, H2O etc and it's going to suddenly make you play like Monfils and certainly don't base your buying decision on anyone who tells you that it's a pro-stock racket because it isn't.

Look, the specs look interesting. Even if it turns out that some insider gets the scoop on the layup and it's not (GASP!) the same as the H19', who cares if it ends up to be a good feeling flexible racquet? You make judgements based on some assumed level of tennis inferiority (ie: everyone but you) vs. a posture of tennis superiority (ie: your own). I don't hear *that* many people claiming that the PT57 makes them play better. Most people just want racquets that are fun to hit with. At least that is my experience. The more fun I'm having, the more I improve. It's not complicated.
 

Carefree

Rookie
Exactly. This is not a free-power frame that will, in the long run, be for most. This is for old-school frame snobs. Feel-mongers. Those of us who shake our heads at the plethora of hollow, tinny-feeling sticks always coming out and offering more spin and more power, before we then go have lunch at Whole Foods. We like organic, undisturbed feel; not additives. In the end this frame might not be for us, either; the Tec 315 Limited was the last truly special offering in terms of old school feel. I went down the path of lead hell with that one, and eventually gave it up. But: I will always remember that frame and that love affair with pure fondness. No regrets. Wilson, the company of goats Sampras and Federer, of the goaty handle shape and the classic Pro Staff and K90 box beams, has gotten lost in marketing and modern-frame weirdness over the last decade. This stick is finally something different and for the snobs. I'll have to hit it, just to see. Onward.
I agree with this. The Tec 315 was a great idea, and an awesome stick. But, it was hard to lead up properly because it was already 315g unstrung. To get enough power, the weight starts to get really heavy. I've sent my 315 to a guy that customizes frames for some top players (I'm almost ashamed to have him work on the frames for a B.S. intermediate club player). It's my last attempt to get this stick right.

This is a great offering from Wilson. I really think that platform sticks are the way to go. They should really offer it in a 16M or 18M version. Maybe they will down the road if they get some good feedback. The Tec frame was a bit of a niche, maybe this one will get a little more reach with the Wilson name behind it.
 

floydcouncil

Professional
The only evidence TTW provides you with is that some people here seem to be discussing tennis equipment. Short of providing live video feeds of their daily lives to prove that they are spending enough hours on the court receiving instruction to satisfy your stringent requirements for who gets to talk about racquets, what, oh what can the unwashed masses among us do to appease you?
Nope...
Too many people focus too much on equipment and equipment tinkering to solve their tennis deficiencies. It doesn't matter what your tennis level is, there is ALWAYS room to improve.

An H19?H22/H2O isn't going to make you play better.
A higher Twist/shout weight isn't going to make you a better player.
A 21 in your MoRonIc number certainly isn't going to make you a better player.

It's the proliferation of posters like traverlerjam and idiot Irwin who think that perfecting tennis is solved by a calculator and a pocket protector astonishes me.
 

PT630Wannabe

Professional
Nope...
Too many people focus too much on equipment and equipment tinkering to solve their tennis deficiencies. It doesn't matter what your tennis level is, there is ALWAYS room to improve.

An H19?H22/H2O isn't going to make you play better.
A higher Twist/shout weight isn't going to make you a better player.
A 21 in your MoRonIc number certainly isn't going to make you a better player.

It's the proliferation of posters like traverlerjam and idiot Irwin who think that perfecting tennis is solved by a calculator and a pocket protector astonishes me.

Why are you bringing up people who haven't even posted in this thread? Have you heard of a straw man argument?

All any one in this thread has talked about is very basic stuff like the fact that it has a nice thin beam, a purported flex of 58RA, a nice low static weight and balance that may end up being conducive to some customization...and a few have speculated that it may in fact be an H19. I don't care if it actually *is*. But it is definitely part of the discussion. Would you just rather this forum be quieter and less active? Perhaps you could just draw up a list of salient points about tennis and the one or two racquets we should be happy with. Tennis Warehouse can make it a sticky and just purge the rest of the threads.
 

teachingprotx

Hall of Fame
Well im still excited about all this and I hope the sales are huge for a mid / mid plus light weight and head light stock flexible stick Good for Wilson and hopefully great for us! As I would really hope other manufactures would feel obligated to copy what everyone else is doing " the latest is the greatest !
I never understood why this hasn't happened sooner really .

Prince was on to something with the rebel team light version it too was kindaflexube but it was too head heavy to begin with . That one could have been great but too hammer-eee. In balance .
Hopefully head will redo the the Rev pro next year in 2 forms with interchangeable grommets 16/19 or 18x20
1 in a98 head sq both
2 93 sq inch
Both with an RA of 50.
Both 10 oz strung with add on weights to customize ! With red cap or with red regular grommets .
Perfect co
 

Crie

Rookie
Nope...
Too many people focus too much on equipment and equipment tinkering to solve their tennis deficiencies. It doesn't matter what your tennis level is, there is ALWAYS room to improve.

An H19?H22/H2O isn't going to make you play better.
A higher Twist/shout weight isn't going to make you a better player.
A 21 in your MoRonIc number certainly isn't going to make you a better player.

It's the proliferation of posters like traverlerjam and idiot Irwin who think that perfecting tennis is solved by a calculator and a pocket protector astonishes me.
I'm going to quote RanchDressing here, or Racquet Tech or what the hell ever he goes by.

"You can use better racquet specifications and better racquet modification to get you to higher level... Its not just having a different spec, its learning how to use it"

He and trav, and Irvin and I and everyone else believes that racquet modification aids skill and technique. It does not replace it. Swinging a 320 swingweight racquet verses Nadal's regular forehand is not going to end well. Your racquet will get pushed around in your hand when you try to hit through that ball. This limits how well you play. Using a higher swingweight in this case absolutely makes you a better player and gives you an edge that other players might not have.

I am going to update this post in the near future with a real life example, aka with a very talented person I know.
 

teachingprotx

Hall of Fame
The balance and sheer weight would be no no no for me but If this ultra had some gray or red cap grommets .. oooooh that would be cool . But then there is that aqua blue accent color . Damn .. aqua !
 

Imago

Hall of Fame
Exactly. This is not a free-power frame that will, in the long run, be for most. This is for old-school frame snobs. Feel-mongers. Those of us who shake our heads at the plethora of hollow, tinny-feeling sticks always coming out and offering more spin and more power, before we then go have lunch at Whole Foods. We like organic, undisturbed feel; not additives. In the end this frame might not be for us, either; the Tec 315 Limited was the last truly special offering in terms of old school feel.
Actually, it offers a mediocre feel as compared to FPP MP or IG Prestige Mid... Yet feel is a matter of taste, skill and condition.
 

sma1001

Hall of Fame
The poster who said it doesn't matter if it actually is an H19, as long as it feels good and plays well, is right of course. But on the other hand the point i was trying to make is that it may be possible to have specs that are similar to the H19 without actually being one. Why does that matter? Well it doesn't unless you want to buy one because it is an H19. A watch can look like an Omega seamaster (or whatever you want), and tell the time just as well, but if you really want one and what you get it isn't the same, you'd be disappointed, even if it looks good and tells the time accurately. Of course, if you don't care about it being that actual watch, you will be happy regardless. I think it is fair to at least ask the question. :)
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
Monfils, Murray, Nadal, Federer etc play at the level that they do because they're Monfils, Murray, Nadal, Federer etc, not because of the racket that they use. A 3.5/4.0 hack recreational player plays the way that they do because they're a 3.5/4.0 hack recreational player. Giving them Monfil's or Djokovic's racket isn't going to make them play any better because their games aren't there to begin with.
I agree with you completely that Murray, Nadal etc have exceptional skill and have worked extremely hard and that is the reason they have become who they are. I agree that people using their racquets will not become better simply due to that fact. However, you yourself know very well that all those professional players don't use ordinary retail racquets, and that there is a reason for that. You also know that they send their racquets to experts, such as P1, for a good reason. They wouldn't do it and waste their money, if they didn't feel it would give them an edge. Furthermore, if the racquet didn't play a part in their success Murray, Nadal, Djokovic and Federer would not have used the same racquet for most or in some cases the entirety of their career.

I don't think many, if any, person on this forum has ever said that playing with a modified racquet, or even Murray's or any pros racquet would make them as good as that Pro. What they have said is that they (the club players) may benefit from similar racquet modifications to their own racquet, as Murray or Djokovic etc benefit from modifications to theirs. That this, together with hard work and training etc, may give them that extra edge.
 
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