Wilson Ultra Tour (Monfils)

TennisHound

Legend
^^^Yeah, that's a quick way to ruin a grip. Is the Ultra grip really that bad? I've got one I'm hitting with and haven't noticed a problem with it to the point I'm ready to start sanding on it.
 

jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
These are the KSwiss Bigshot light 2.5. I loved the 2.0, I really like the 2.5. But the new 3.0 has a completely different foot bed so I am going to have to find a new shoe unfortunately. I bought 10 pair of the Bigshot 2.5's though to get me through the year while I test new ones. Still worth trying the 3 to see if it fits your foot well. I get about 3 months of hard play out of them.
Excuse my OCD but 10 x 3 months = 30 months or 2 1/2 years; > 1 year?o_O:)
 

hotasice

Semi-Pro
I’ll start by saying I’m probably not the best judge of this. I only started playing with a grab bag of old Head frames under a year ago. The I.Prestige was my last to buy. I still tend to favor my 6.1 18x20 at least half the time, so let’s just say I don’t have the most refined palette. I play with 3.5-5.0 guys, mostly doubles, only for fun.

My only modifications to the prestige models was to change it to no base grip / two overgrips to bring the weight down and balance up to 32cm. Essentially trying to find the lightest common ground.

The feel at contact is more smooth than the prestige and seems to mute a bit quicker. I think the Ultra Tour and I.Prestige express a similar dominance over the ball. Serving and alternating frames the prestige seemed to move the ball through the court slightly faster.
thanks for the comparison!
 

jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
DUDE!! That's like shooting the nose off of the Sphinx; hope there's no irreparable damage. Did it make a sound like squeezing styrofoam packing, or more like biting into a Crunchie? Either way, maybe these bad boys really are foam filled.
Is the foam filling soft, hard or somewhere in between? Soft like the pink colored foam that often line electronics and computer parts. It's pretty soft with good memory, almost like the memory foam pillows, but not as dense. Then there's firm foam like the type that line big screen TV boxes that don't compress very much. It's usually dark grey colored and feels slick. There's also hard and brittle polyurethane foam that solidifies after curing. I believe the yellow the grip pallets are made from PU foam.
Can anyone tell me if the foam filling is pro stock foam? My elbow gets aggravated if I play with retail foam

Is the beam width really 21 mm? I prefer 20.5 or 20. Any lower, it's like I'm playing with a noodle. Any higher, I lose too much control.

I'm also really sensitive to RA ratings. Is it under 60? 59 is perfect, but once it gets to 60 or 61, my arm falls off.

Oh, and the grip can't have any traces of synthetic chemicals. I break out otherwise
Ironically, I already tried to be subtly facetious with regard to the foam density, but sadly I was taken seriously and so I moved on; bad thing being taken seriously...
 

TennisD

Professional
I'm sure this is all ground that's been covered already, but big thanks to Wilson for re-issuing the i.Prestige. As @vsbabolat said, if your PTs are old, or you can't quite get the ones you like, this is really gonna do it for ya. Easy buy.
 

Panquake

Rookie
Ok, so I don't know if it has been brought up yet, because I haven't been keeping up with the forums due to already demoing the UT, but has anyone looked at the Dunlop Srixon Revo CX 2.0 Tour 18x20 that is coming out soon (or in stock at TW)? The stiffness is 61 and the frame mold looks like my H22's, but I can spot differences. The box shape is very similar and the throat beam shape is, but the H22 throat is much longer. I have read how some like the Prince Phantom, I am curious to how this racket will compare to them.


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GuilhermeG

Rookie
I want to say its a stiffer Pro Tour 630. Its as muted as the Pro Tour 630 but I feel like the top of the hoop is stiffer on the Ultra Tour. I can take out my i.Prestige MP tomorrow and compare those two back to back.
Please do. ;)


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Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
Ok, so I don't know if it has been brought up yet, because I haven't been keeping up with the forums due to already demoing the UT, but has anyone looked at the Dunlop Srixon Revo CX 2.0 Tour 18x20 that is coming out soon (or in stock at TW)? The stiffness is 61 and the frame mold looks like my H22's, but I can spot differences. The box shape is very similar and the throat beam shape is, but the H22 throat is much longer. I have read how some like the Prince Phantom, I am curious to how this racket will compare to them.
Many of us are also looking at the Dunlop Srixon Revo CX 2.0 Tour 18x20. The only person who's actually hit with it here is @Anton . He wrote some of his observations about it in the Srixon thread. From what he wrote and what I've been reading, I'm going to wait until it goes on sale. It seems be to an extremely niche racquet.

I think the 61RA is the only thing is has going for it. The Wilson Ultra Tour still seems to be the new king of retail control frames. Time will tell if the new Srixon Revo CX 2.0 Tour will dethrone it. The Srixon's hoop also looks like an upside down teardrop. The top half of the hoop looks wider than the bottom half.
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
Which frames would you consider it closest to?
I want to say its a stiffer Pro Tour 630. Its as muted as the Pro Tour 630 but I feel like the top of the hoop is stiffer on the Ultra Tour. I can take out my i.Prestige MP tomorrow and compare those two back to back.
That's very high praise for a racquet to be compared to the legendary PT630 and you state that it's the closest retail frame to it. How many PT630's do you have? No inkling to get an Ultra Tour for the times you wish the PT630 had more oomph on those days where you're off?

Someone wrote that the UT had a stiffer hoop. Maybe that accounts for the higher RA, but does the UT's throat flex as well as the PT630? I don't like a stiffer hoop as that helps with serves and off center shots, but I need to have a flexible throat.
 

bkfinch

Semi-Pro
I wouldn't just because I had stocked on them. If I didn't have any PT630 or they worn out I would absolutely buy a bunch of the Wilson Ultra Tour. Wilson came through providing us with what we have been asking @HEAD Penn Official for.
Hate to strike a sour note: I hit with it again today after work, along with a Blade 18x20, Phantom 100 and Ezone 98. And my Pro Tour. I used dampers to add some weight to the demo rackets (placing dampers in extremes of hoop to increase swingweight/etc, bring them closer to my spec). The UT I liked the least. Something familiar about the feel, yes, but it felt stiffer in a dead sense- not like the Blade for example. It could have been the strings as well, but I'm not so sure, all crappy demo strings being crappy demo strings. The Phantom however is a phenomenal feeling racket. I am not a Prince rep or ever used a Prince racket since I smashed a junior one when I was 10 :D. It thuds the ball extremely similar to the Pro Tour, I think it is even more flexible in the head. On big serve you feel racket bend like bamboo stick. It has great touch and power. The problem is that it is a 100" open pattern racket and that defaults it to another category of racket even though the feel is extremely classic and old school, honestly moreso than the UT. But I also don't recommend taking out 5 rackets in one session. Played about 3 and a half sets??

Reading some comments above: Yes I think the UT definitely has a stiffer hoop than the PT630.

If there was a Prince Phantom 95 18x20 I think it would be game over :eek: This is just my opinion folks, I really wanted to like the UT though !! Outta this thread :cool::p
 

stephenclown

Professional
That's very high praise for a racquet to be compared to the legendary PT630 and you state that it's the closest retail frame to it. How many PT630's do you have? No inkling to get an Ultra Tour for the times you wish the PT630 had more oomph on those days where you're off?

Someone wrote that the UT had a stiffer hoop. Maybe that accounts for the higher RA, but does the UT's throat flex as well as the PT630? I don't like a stiffer hoop as that helps with serves and off center shots, but I need to have a flexible throat.
I want to say its a stiffer Pro Tour 630. Its as muted as the Pro Tour 630 but I feel like the top of the hoop is stiffer on the Ultra Tour. I can take out my i.Prestige MP tomorrow and compare those two back to back.
Would you say it is more similar than the TC97 18x20 or too hard to tell? Looking to try out something like a PT630 in the future. TC95 arriving Monday
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
Hate to strike a sour note: I hit with it again today after work, along with a Blade 18x20, Phantom 100 and Ezone 98. And my Pro Tour. I used dampers to add some weight to the demo rackets (placing dampers in extremes of hoop to increase swingweight/etc, bring them closer to my spec). The UT I liked the least. Something familiar about the feel, yes, but it felt stiffer in a dead sense- not like the Blade for example. It could have been the strings as well, but I'm not so sure, all crappy demo strings being crappy demo strings. The Phantom however is a phenomenal feeling racket. I am not a Prince rep or ever used a Prince racket since I smashed a junior one when I was 10 :D. It thuds the ball extremely similar to the Pro Tour, I think it is even more flexible in the head. On big serve you feel racket bend like bamboo stick. It has great touch and power. The problem is that it is a 100" open pattern racket and that defaults it to another category of racket even though the feel is extremely classic and old school, honestly moreso than the UT. But I also don't recommend taking out 5 rackets in one session. Played about 3 and a half sets??

Reading some comments above: Yes I think the UT definitely has a stiffer hoop than the PT630.

If there was a Prince Phantom 95 18x20 I think it would be game over :eek: This is just my opinion folks, I really wanted to like the UT though !! Outta this thread :cool::p
I don't use dampeners :p
I get the actual feel and sound off the stringbed unfiltered.
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
Hate to strike a sour note: I hit with it again today after work, along with a Blade 18x20, Phantom 100 and Ezone 98. And my Pro Tour. I used dampers to add some weight to the demo rackets (placing dampers in extremes of hoop to increase swingweight/etc, bring them closer to my spec). The UT I liked the least. Something familiar about the feel, yes, but it felt stiffer in a dead sense- not like the Blade for example. It could have been the strings as well, but I'm not so sure, all crappy demo strings being crappy demo strings. The Phantom however is a phenomenal feeling racket. I am not a Prince rep or ever used a Prince racket since I smashed a junior one when I was 10 :D. It thuds the ball extremely similar to the Pro Tour, I think it is even more flexible in the head. On big serve you feel racket bend like bamboo stick. It has great touch and power. The problem is that it is a 100" open pattern racket and that defaults it to another category of racket even though the feel is extremely classic and old school, honestly moreso than the UT. But I also don't recommend taking out 5 rackets in one session. Played about 3 and a half sets??

Reading some comments above: Yes I think the UT definitely has a stiffer hoop than the PT630.

If there was a Prince Phantom 95 18x20 I think it would be game over :eek: This is just my opinion folks, I really wanted to like the UT though !! Outta this thread :cool::p
UT is nice but Phantom is on another level for flexible old school graphite lovers...

i think phantom peed in UT cereal for me...I wish i never tried it lol
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
It seems that 18x20 Angell's have diffrent layup and are or at least to me they feel better/softer/flexier than 16x19 versions.
Why does Angell not give his customers the option of having the TC97 available with 63RA as well? His whole business is about customization, and I understand it needs to be cookie cutter to make it an efficient and viable business, but that's one big gap in his product line.
 

zalive

Hall of Fame
Why does Angell not give his customers the option of having the TC97 available with 63RA as well? His whole business is about customization, and I understand it needs to be cookie cutter to make it an efficient and viable business, but that's one big gap in his product line.
If 67 RA Angell layup for some reason feels softer than a 63 RA Angell layup (and even flexes more strung), what would be the reason to do it?
 

El_Yotamo

Hall of Fame
Many of us are also looking at the Dunlop Srixon Revo CX 2.0 Tour 18x20. The only person who's actually hit with it here is @Anton . He wrote some of his observations about it in the Srixon thread. From what he wrote and what I've been reading, I'm going to wait until it goes on sale. It seems be to an extremely niche racquet.

I think the 61RA is the only thing is has going for it. The Wilson Ultra Tour still seems to be the new king of retail control frames. Time will tell if the new Srixon Revo CX 2.0 Tour will dethrone it. The Srixon's hoop also looks like an upside down teardrop. The top half of the hoop looks wider than the bottom half.
Yeah I'm also very interested in seeing some reviews of the CX 2.0 Tour. Currently on pre-sale at TW, should be in stock next next Tuesday. I'm also wondering how it compares to the UT, Angells, and older Prestiges. Specs look right on.
 

zalive

Hall of Fame
It seems that 18x20 Angell's have diffrent layup and are or at least to me they feel better/softer/flexier than 16x19 versions.
You are not the first player to report this; anyway, Paul confirmed in the past that 18x20 TC97 layup is different to 16x19 TC97 layup. On other Angell racquets 18x20 and 16x19 layups are similar.
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
You are not the first player to report this; anyway, Paul confirmed in the past that 18x20 TC97 layup is different to 16x19 TC97 layup. On other Angell racquets 18x20 and 16x19 layups are similar.
I was an early adopter of Paul Angell's Vantage racquet and thought it was a stiff frame and nothing special. This was during the time when MW 200G's were readily available and was used for comparison. However, that was about a decade ago and it sounds like Paul has finally perfected the pro stock layup feel or is he still working on improving it? What's his new model release schedule been like? I could wait a couple more years if something new is around the corner.

I still have the new Srixon to check out, Phantom Pro 100 if it's ever released in the US, the new 2018 Tec 315 Limited and if a new Dunlop Heritage line is for real. My Ultra Tour demo trial will be this weekend. I finally get to see if it's a worthy Pro Tour 630 replacement. Maybe I'll like the added stiffness. I just don't understand how it can be stiff, yet still low powered and why Wilson couldn't make it soft and low powered. I think @zalive will tell me it's due to the cost of raw materials.
 
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JGads

Legend
UT is nice but Phantom is on another level for flexible old school graphite lovers...

i think phantom peed in UT cereal for me...I wish i never tried it lol
Different strokes, different folks. Tried the Phantom and hated it. Can't get over the port feel (where I feel like I lose the ball on the racquet face), the one I tried was much too head-heavy, and the trajectory was too high. Can sting line drives/serves with the Ultra that I couldn't with the Phantom.
 

zalive

Hall of Fame
I was an early adopter of Paul Angell's Vantage racquet and thought it was a stiff frame and nothing special. This was during the time when MW 200G's were readily available and was used for comparison. However, that was about a decade ago and it sounds like Paul has finally perfected the pro stock layup feel or is he still working on improving it? What's his new model release schedule been like? I could wait a couple more years if something new is around the corner.

I still have the new Srixon to check out, Phantom Pro 100 if it's ever released in the US, the new 2018 Tec 315 Limited and if a new Dunlop Heritage line is for real. My Ultra Tour demo trial will be this weekend. I finally get to see if it's a worthy Pro Tour 630 replacement. Maybe I'll like the added stiffness. I just don't understand how it can be stiff, yet still low powered and why Wilson couldn't make it soft and low powered. I think @zalive will tell me it's due to raw materials cost.
Yes I will :) well it's based on fragment of info I found on this board (most significant post was Paul's) and about what I was told by my stringers. That graphite used for racquet is aeroindustry graphite. And that there is high demand for graphite prepregs which rose the prices. It's not just the manufacturing cost, it's the lack of supply since not many factories seem to manufacture graphite prepregs. And in such conditions I really believe that ordering any custom graphite is especially costly. So most manufacturers either bare graphite which is simply too stiff to allow making everything what players would want, or to go in composite layup waters.

But why not this second? IDK if any manufacturer cared to make a 100% graphite layup hoop with the composite layup throat. Now, why this specific layup? Because graphite is the highest quality material for the playability and you basically want it to be in the hoop, where you actually hit the ball. While I see less harm if composite is used in the throat, and the throat area is the most responsible for the hitting comfort, since flex effect is most significant in the throat area for geometry reasons.

This is something Paul might actually do if he tried, to try with a different throat layup and allow more flex there. I actually believe it's the throat responsible for a firmer/stiffer response of my TC100 63 RA (and TC95 63 RA seems to be actually similar regarding layup and beam). Ticking the throat feels hollow, frankly, and we'we seen @Subaruvich 's excellent pics of layup intersections showing a thinner layup in the throat. I suspect it flexes less in dynamic conditions so that dynamic flex of a TC100 or a TC95 63 RA is less than in static conditions. It's not on the uncomfortable side, but it's not on the comfortable side either. Some middle ground.
 

JGads

Legend
I was an early adopter of Paul Angell's Vantage racquet and thought it was a stiff frame and nothing special. This was during the time when MW 200G's were readily available and was used for comparison. However, that was about a decade ago and it sounds like Paul has finally perfected the pro stock layup feel or is he still working on improving it? What's his new model release schedule been like? I could wait a couple more years if something new is around the corner.

I still have the new Srixon to check out, Phantom Pro 100 if it's ever released in the US, the new 2018 Tec 315 Limited and if a new Dunlop Heritage line is for real. My Ultra Tour demo trial will be this weekend. I finally get to see if it's a worthy Pro Tour 630 replacement. Maybe I'll like the added stiffness. I just don't understand how it can be stiff, yet still low powered and why Wilson couldn't make it soft and low powered. I think @zalive will tell me it's due to the cost of raw materials.
I would never call the Ultra stiff. It feels at least as soft/smooth as my pro stock Radicals, which are at a 58 RA, with the exception of one of them that has been flexed out over time.
 

bkfinch

Semi-Pro
That's really not a good way to weigh up UT...this will do :)

Can I be your friend of something? :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
Well... whatever you need to get a decent swingweight, it is definitely not enough in stock form.

I don't use dampeners :p
I get the actual feel and sound off the stringbed unfiltered.
The UT admittedly doesn't need dampeners. I use them as makeshift weights instead of/before using lead tape because, well, I keep running out. Neither does the Pro Tour need a dampener. Or the Phantom... Lol
 

bkfinch

Semi-Pro
If 67 RA Angell layup for some reason feels softer than a 63 RA Angell layup (and even flexes more strung), what would be the reason to do it?
*Prepares.... to open... wallet...* Didn't realize there was a consensus on that one @zalive

I was an early adopter of Paul Angell's Vantage racquet and thought it was a stiff frame and nothing special. This was during the time when MW 200G's were readily available and was used for comparison. However, that was about a decade ago and it sounds like Paul has finally perfected the pro stock layup feel or is he still working on improving it? What's his new model release schedule been like? I could wait a couple more years if something new is around the corner.

I still have the new Srixon to check out, Phantom Pro 100 if it's ever released in the US, the new 2018 Tec 315 Limited and if a new Dunlop Heritage line is for real. My Ultra Tour demo trial will be this weekend. I finally get to see if it's a worthy Pro Tour 630 replacement. Maybe I'll like the added stiffness. I just don't understand how it can be stiff, yet still low powered and why Wilson couldn't make it soft and low powered. I think @zalive will tell me it's due to the cost of raw materials.
Very curious to see your review because you seem very sensitive to flex. And if/when you might try a Phantom.
 

TennisHound

Legend
The Ultra Tour has a pretty flexy throat. When you hit it off center, you feel it. Reminds my of the Ultra 97 a little. I'm sure the H19 feels a little more solid in this area.
 

Anton

Legend
Wow, that's a lot of lead. Do you have anything in the grip? What are the specs of this thing?
12 flat, 6.5hl ~340SW

Nothing on the grip except RZR Tac (a few grams heavier than stock) with overgrip.

My racket is slightly under spec and I string with 18g so that's a few grams lighter.
 
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zalive

Hall of Fame
*Prepares.... to open... wallet...* Didn't realize there was a consensus on that one @zalive
I wanted to tell that as far as comfort is concerned, TC97 18x20 is probably the best what Paul managed to make with the raw material available to him.
I have few more comfortable racquets than my TC100 63 RA to be honest, but all of them (that I possess) are composite layup racquets, if they are manufactured relatively recently.

PK uses composites, but they also use braided textures layers similar to textreme (plus Kinetic). I have KI10, 66 RA and very comfy.
Wilson PS97s 2015 has I think 65 RA and is very comfy too, braided graphite+kevlar.
WIlson PS95s 2015 is less comfy than PS97s but still more comfy than TC100 63 RA, 64-65 RA and also graphite+kevlar braid, but smaller head.
Wilson PS95 2014 was yet more comfy but it's graphite+kevlar+basalt braid. 62 RA.
Prince does it with the textreme pattern, and their ports racquet effectively increase head size to feel softer.
IDK what Yonex does, possibly they do the composite layup in the throat area at least.
 
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Anton

Legend
Why on earth would you put that much lead in the throat?
It's just 3-4 grams.

I feel like even weight-up all around the frame works the best for this racket.

When I was trying lead here-and-there I just wasn't liking the results.

Second layer on the V throat came from bottom of the loop as a final adjustment to get it swinging just right.

Have been playing it this way almost every day for like two-three weeks now
 
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moon shot

Hall of Fame
It's just 3-4 grams.

I feel like even weight-up all around the frame works the best for this racket.

When I was trying lead here-and-there I just wasn't liking the results.
stock it is so even I can see you might need some there if you want to maintain that even feel. When I leaded mine up to match the swingweight of the i.Prestige I got the sense that the Ultra Tour was lighter around the throat. Of course it was, It started as a lighter frame and I didn't add lead there. If it felt matched after my customization then it would have had a weight distribution like the Tour G 330 stock.

Thats about where I have mine setup now, mine was a bit over spec so I'd guess yours might have been under.
 

moon shot

Hall of Fame
You don't know how hard the incoming shot was...any racquet will flex, the stiffest ones flex...
Sure, I don’t know how flex it is, but I know I haven’t seen deformation to that degree in any other photos. That may just be due to the brevity of the interaction though.
 

zalive

Hall of Fame
Sure, I don’t know how flex it is, but I know I haven’t seen deformation to that degree in any other photos. That may just be due to the brevity of the interaction though.
It's a nice shooting angle, camera sees the beam side only.
 
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