Wilson Ultra Tour (Monfils)

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
Then I will be forced to resort to shameless bribery. That has worked in the past for a ball machine!
High heels? Or... Gawd, be aware of the handbags sections...

Be smart, you'll have to get her to the lingerie store somehow for a double whammy ;) :p
 

pfrischmann

Professional
Sounds right :)

If you're gonna be shelling out $$ for gut, put it there where the performance comes from mainly - the mains (pun intended).
I would normally agree with this but it depends on what you want out of the stick. Gut in the mains is great for feel but you lose some grip on the ball. Poly in the mains doesn't feel nearly as good but you can get a little more grip on the ball and a touch more spin. You still get better feel than poly/poly and poly/multi
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
I would normally agree with this but it depends on what you want out of the stick. Gut in the mains is great for feel but you lose some grip on the ball. Poly in the mains doesn't feel nearly as good but you can get a little more grip on the ball and a touch more spin. You still get better feel than poly/poly and poly/multi
1) Grip does not come from string shape/friction
2) Spin does not come from grip

Gut/poly is much better for spin than poly/gut where the crosses restrain the movement of the mains completely
 

pfrischmann

Professional
Hi Spin,
I respectfully disagree. I put Gut/4g and 4g/Gut in the same stick at the same tension. My experience is just as I listed. I got more shape on the ball with gut in the crosses even though I don't like the feel. Tim Smyczek actually said the same thing which is why i tried it. I thought he was crazy but my results are my results.
 

amarg

New User
If I remember correctly, Babolat says the same on the package of vs/rpm blast hybrid (poly in mains for more spin). Not sure though. If someone can check...
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
Hi Spin,
I respectfully disagree. I put Gut/4g and 4g/Gut in the same stick at the same tension. My experience is just as I listed. I got more shape on the ball with gut in the crosses even though I don't like the feel. Tim Smyczek actually said the same thing which is why i tried it. I thought he was crazy but my results are my results.
You adjusted your stroke, simple as that. Gut in the crosses produced the lower launch angle and lower power, and you compensated which produced more arc.

If you want to remove any and all objectivity from the questions surrounding equipment, then that's your choice.
 

1HBHfanatic

Hall of Fame
Anybody knows how I can mask some minor chips?
What kind of paint should I use? Not looking for a professional result, just something to keep my eyes off tthem
Will try to post pics later.
Thanks in advance
Simple and easy to get, nail polish,, dries quick and dries hard..
 

pfrischmann

Professional
You adjusted your stroke, simple as that. Gut in the crosses produced the lower launch angle and lower power, and you compensated which produced more arc.

If you want to remove any and all objectivity from the questions surrounding equipment, then that's your choice.

Well,
I am the biggest variable for sure..Where are you getting this information on gut in the crosses producing the lower launch angle etc...is that the TW spin study?
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
This racquet is definitely low powered compared to the Blade 2015 Blade 98 18x20. I guess I need to string this even lower than my normal 48lbs on the Blade to get more oomph on it. However, this racquet has better maneuverability than my Blade so kinda a toss up I guess.

Overall, I love the paintjob and probably needs some tweaking to get this dialed in.
Parasailing, have you tried gut/poly hybrid in the Ultra Tour yet? I just strung one of mine up with cheap gut from India(had it for years I forgot the brand) crossed with yptp 1.25 at 45/44 on an electronic cp machine using the jc method on the mains. Took it out for a hit and it plays like a dream! More pop with no detectable loss of spin. Will try it with premium gut next time.
 

amarg

New User
Fine tuning is over! Settled at 4gr@3&9 (~53cm) and 2gr@10-11&1-2 (~63cm).

Total of 357 gr (leather grip+overgrip+dmpnr, RS Lyon 1.25), balance 31,4 (~12.6oz, ~9pts hl).

I went by feel, but per twu customization tool I have 335 sw, 14.2 tw, balance 31.43

(interestingly, these specs give mgr/i 21.00 and rw 173.48).

Note: I first measured stock sw after stringing, with swingtool app (322). "Confirmed" it after putting 2gr@12 (329). Since then, having no Iphone, I relied on twu calculations.

Setup feels great.
Frame is a keeper.
Time to focus on my game.
 
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chizzle

Rookie
In... Mini-revival of the thread.

At the shop (where purchased) they were 1g apart (312, 313g). So not bad. Got one strung with Timo 18 (1.10) and VS 16/RPM 16L. They come in at 314g and 319g respectively.

I'm sure I'm going to have to add weight, but might start with one first. I've done the leather replacement in the past, but with the PS97 and that felt harsh-ish. But I also remember not adding weight in the hoop, so that might have been a mistake.

Intend to report back. Add me to the list of those who never gave UT a look bc of the "Ultra" name and what it was now vs mid 80s... (until now).
 

MrMustard

New User
My Ultra tour specs are as follows (strung weight when purchased was 324 grams):

Customised Weight - 343 Grams
Customisation:
Wilson Leather Grip
2 Wilson pro ove grips
Rubber Band (from prince racket) over finishing tape (at top of the grip)
Racket saver tape over top of racket (covering about half of the frame)
NO Lead

Strung with Luxilon 4G at 42lbs

I like the above setup because its still super headlight and whippy. Don't think i'm going to add lead as I find it has sufficient power and is easy for me play with.
 

avocadoz

Semi-Pro
After going back and forth between Blade 2015 (my old racquet of choice), TT95 (current racquet of choice), and the Ultra Tour, I've decided to pull the trigger on the Ultra Tour. Despite its lack of power, there's room for customization and playing around with different string and tension to increase power. Aside from that weakness, it does everything else so well. It's more versatile and can hit better angles than the Blade and has more power and a bigger sweetspot than the TT95. There's just something about the feel of it that's addictive when you hit the sweetspot. After revisiting my old Blade, I noticed that there's a bit of vibration, whereas the Ultra Tour is super comfortable to use. I guess I better stock up on it before Wilson ruins it with CV.
 

chizzle

Rookie
I customized my duo with 6g total at 3&9, and 6g in the handle. With OG and damper they are at 11.9 and 11.7 (339g and 334g IIRC).

Played a set on wet clay yesterday (after a 6 week layoff). Probably not the best way to open with the stick. But I have to say it felt pretty good still. I played the bab gut/rpm combo. It was a little softer (almost mushy) due to the conditions (the balls were quite heavy (no doubt thats what she said)).

Serve was not an issue & had a couple of aces. Was super precise on Groundies. Had 1 volley winner and 1 OH winner (2/2). Lots of errors from me from the layoff and conditions (timing). Best shot was DTL BH (in combo with the fact that I was hitting a lot CC early and my opponent was protecting his BH)... Had a couple of I/O FH winners too (short angles).

Today I hit the hard courts for some singles. Tomorrow is doubles. This should give me more feedback.
 

avocadoz

Semi-Pro
they both have teeny tiny sweetspots but theres no way id classify the ultra tour’s as “bigger” (thats what she said)
I frame more balls with the TT95. I think 2 sq. inches does make a difference. Having lead at 3&9 on the Ultra Tour probably opened up the sweetspot a bit as well.
 

n8dawg6

Legend
I frame more balls with the TT95. I think 2 sq. inches does make a difference. Having lead at 3&9 on the Ultra Tour probably opened up the sweetspot a bit as well.
i promise im not trying to be argumentative but im almost positive the ultra is more 95 than 97. 97 is just wilson’s marketing fun, sorta like head was calling their prestiges 98 for a long time
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
After going back and forth between Blade 2015 (my old racquet of choice), TT95 (current racquet of choice), and the Ultra Tour, I've decided to pull the trigger on the Ultra Tour. Despite its lack of power, there's room for customization and playing around with different string and tension to increase power. Aside from that weakness, it does everything else so well. It's more versatile and can hit better angles than the Blade and has more power and a bigger sweetspot than the TT95. There's just something about the feel of it that's addictive when you hit the sweetspot. After revisiting my old Blade, I noticed that there's a bit of vibration, whereas the Ultra Tour is super comfortable to use. I guess I better stock up on it before Wilson ruins it with CV.
Completely agree. the UT really feels like an extension of my arm. the ball goes where i want. i don't have quite the same control with the 2015 blade although, i just restrung it with some Prince Tour XR17 and the control is better now. i've actually given up on trying to extract more power out of the UT but rather focusing on further improving my technique namely making sure i get better extension through my groundstrokes.

Regarding the vibration you mentioned in the Blade...the CV Blade takes care of that. The 2015 Blade flexes more than the CV Blade and it think the flex is the source of the vibration.
 

MrMustard

New User
I have to disagree. I find the ultra to have a decent sweet spot and it plays more like a 98 than a 95 so I’m inclined to believe it’s a true 97. Just my opinion : )
they both have teeny tiny sweetspots but theres no way id classify the ultra tour’s as “bigger” (thats what she said)
 

jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
Using the ellipse formula someone kindly posted on here a while ago, my TT95 measured 95.85 square inches; the Ultra Tour demo definitely had a bigger head when placed on top of my TT95, mostly from 3 to 6 and 6 to 9 o'clock if I recall correctly. Playing with both back to back I thought the UT felt like it was wider and had a bigger sweet spot than the TT95, but the TT95 isn't exactly stellar in these regards.
 
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jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
After going back and forth between Blade 2015 (my old racquet of choice), TT95 (current racquet of choice), and the Ultra Tour, I've decided to pull the trigger on the Ultra Tour. Despite its lack of power, there's room for customization and playing around with different string and tension to increase power. Aside from that weakness, it does everything else so well. It's more versatile and can hit better angles than the Blade and has more power and a bigger sweetspot than the TT95. There's just something about the feel of it that's addictive when you hit the sweetspot. After revisiting my old Blade, I noticed that there's a bit of vibration, whereas the Ultra Tour is super comfortable to use. I guess I better stock up on it before Wilson ruins it with CV.
Hey @avocadoz et al. do you find the UT transmits power better on the serve than the TT95? I found it feels like the head flex, particularly in the top half of the hoop of the TT95 robs me of a little omph on serve; I'm hoping what I perceived to be a firmer feeling hoop in the UT gives me the serve mph I'm used to with my Equipes. (As my Equipes and my extended TT95 are 28", I'm going to have to extend an Ultra Tour to make an 'apples to apples' comparison myself.) On the extension subject, I finally had a hit with an H22 98" last week, not sure of the actual specs - it said 305g inside the handle but may have had additional silicon - and it was just beautiful to hit with. It was firm enough to transmit an impressive amount of power, had virtually no jarring or unwanted vibration and plenty of desirable feedback. It was strung with Lux Alu mains and M2 crosses; given the comfort and power I experienced I thought the tension would be low, i.e. the strings would feel loose when I pressed them with my thumbs, but they actually felt suprisingly firm - apparently the racquet was strung in the low to mid 50s. This delightful 'Holy Grail' experience has nonetheless thrown a spanner in the works re my plans to buy and extend a UT; apart from being generally expensive, I'm under the impression - please anyone in the know correct me if I'm wrong - that H22s are pallet system handles, and so would have to be extended by different means than the pro shop that extended my TT95 and Tour 98 ESP used. Basically if I could get reasonably priced 28" H22s - don't seem to see these much, if at all, maybe I should consider 27.5" - I would jump all over 'em (For he on honey-dew hath fed / and drunk the milk of paradise.)
 
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DanS

Semi-Pro
i promise im not trying to be argumentative but im almost positive the ultra is more 95 than 97. 97 is just wilson’s marketing fun, sorta like head was calling their prestiges 98 for a long time
My UT's are almost identical in head shape and size to my Blade 98 CV 16x19, and they are both quite a bit bigger than my PS97. I'll let you come to your own conclusion from that! ;)
 

n8dawg6

Legend
My UT's are almost identical in head shape and size to my Blade 98 CV 16x19, and they are both quite a bit bigger than my PS97. I'll let you come to your own conclusion from that! ;)
mine is the same as a prestige MP. this is clearly an objective thing and im somehow not aligning w anyone else’s observations.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
mine is the same as a prestige MP. this is clearly an objective thing and im somehow not aligning w anyone else’s observations.
I just compared mine to the prestige mp. My Ultra Tour is clearly larger than my prestige mp. The ultra tour is wider across 3-9.
 

radnil95

New User
Man, mine came in today and it weighed in at exactly 300 grams. It's underspec by 5 grams... The balance I can't really measure as I don't have a balance board - but I did try the table edge method and I'm estimating 31cm... Should I keep this racquet and modify it to my specs...? Or should I return it for something closer to the original spec? I have this paranoia that if the racquet is under spec, it might be faulty and have weight distributed unevenly...
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
Man, mine came in today and it weighed in at exactly 300 grams. It's underspec by 5 grams... The balance I can't really measure as I don't have a balance board - but I did try the table edge method and I'm estimating 31cm... Should I keep this racquet and modify it to my specs...? Or should I return it for something closer to the original spec? I have this paranoia that if the racquet is under spec, it might be faulty and have weight distributed unevenly...
Nothing a little lead won’t be able to fix. 2 of mine are ~6g under. After matching them with lead and putty, they both play identically.
 
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haqq777

Legend
Does anyone know what the weight of the grip that comes on the ultra tour is?
The UT comes with Wilson Sublime. Mine weighed in at 19.6g. Thought that was pretty heavy for a synthetic grip. My Angell leather grips trimmed and ready to install come in at 20g, for reference.
 

Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
The UT comes with Wilson Sublime. Mine weighed in at 19.6g. Thought that was pretty heavy for a synthetic grip. My Angell leather grips trimmed and ready to install come in at 20g, for reference.
Very heavy. I'm thinking of taking out and putting on a kimony leather grip

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avocadoz

Semi-Pro
Hey @avocadoz et al. do you find the UT transmits power better on the serve than the TT95? I found it feels like the head flex, particularly in the top half of the hoop of the TT95 robs me of a little omph on serve; I'm hoping what I perceived to be a firmer feeling hoop in the UT gives me the serve mph I'm used to with my Equipes. (As my Equipes and my extended TT95 are 28", I'm going to have to extend an Ultra Tour to make an 'apples to apples' comparison myself.) On the extension subject, I finally had a hit with an H22 98" last week, not sure of the actual specs - it said 305g inside the handle but may have had additional silicon - and it was just beautiful to hit with. It was firm enough to transmit an impressive amount of power, had virtually no jarring or unwanted vibration and plenty of desirable feedback. It was strung with Lux Alu mains and M2 crosses; given the comfort and power I experienced I thought the tension would be low, i.e. the strings would feel loose when I pressed them with my thumbs, but they actually felt suprisingly firm - apparently the racquet was strung in the low to mid 50s. This delightful 'Holy Grail' experience has nonetheless thrown a spanner in the works re my plans to buy and extend a UT; apart from being generally expensive, I'm under the impression - please anyone in the know correct me if I'm wrong - that H22s are pallet system handles, and so would have to be extended by different means than the pro shop that extended my TT95 and Tour 98 ESP used. Basically if I could get reasonably priced 28" H22s - don't seem to see these much, if at all, maybe I should consider 27.5" - I would jump all over 'em (For he on honey-dew hath fed / and drunk the milk of paradise.)
I serve better with UT than TT95 for sure. I lead up both racquets at 12 to help add some pace to the serve and UT responds to lead better. UT for sure is not the most powerful serving stick, but I find that serve placement is better with UT than TT95, especially those slice serves outwide. Overall, UT has a bit more power on serve, and it’s more versatile and not as linear as the TT95 when it comes to placement.
 

avocadoz

Semi-Pro
Man, mine came in today and it weighed in at exactly 300 grams. It's underspec by 5 grams... The balance I can't really measure as I don't have a balance board - but I did try the table edge method and I'm estimating 31cm... Should I keep this racquet and modify it to my specs...? Or should I return it for something closer to the original spec? I have this paranoia that if the racquet is under spec, it might be faulty and have weight distributed unevenly...
I prefer mine to come in a bit under spec static and SW wise. It allows me more room for customization without beefing up the SW too much. The big selling point of the UT over something similar like the Blade CV is its maneuverability, so you wouldn’t want it to become sluggish.
 

Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
The UT comes with Wilson Sublime. Mine weighed in at 19.6g. Thought that was pretty heavy for a synthetic grip. My Angell leather grips trimmed and ready to install come in at 20g, for reference.
I just removed mine, and the grip of mine is weighing 15 grams. I have an Angell TC95 16x19, 63 RA and I really liked this Wilson. I found it more comfortable than the TC95. My Ultra tour is 6 grams of lead at 3 and 9 hours (3 grams on each side). Only loses in the question of spin and power, rest wins in all.
 

haqq777

Legend
I just removed mine, and the grip of mine is weighing 15 grams. I have an Angell TC95 16x19, 63 RA and I really liked this Wilson. I found it more comfortable than the TC95. My Ultra tour is 6 grams of lead at 3 and 9 hours (3 grams on each side). Only loses in the question of spin and power, rest wins in all.
I really don't like Wilson Sublime at all, personally. Pretty sure Wilson QC is the reason why mine is coming in close to 20g and yours is 15g. Also, I prefer TC95 over UT in all aspects. I find myself always falling back to my TC100 - which is just a more forgiving TC95 albeit with slight less precision. I can see why you liked the Wilson UT though. I like it too. But in the end, different strokes for different folk. I would definitely recommend you try a different replacement grip and see if that works for you in your Wilson.
 

Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
I really don't like Wilson Sublime at all, personally. Pretty sure Wilson QC is the reason why mine is coming in close to 20g and yours is 15g. Also, I prefer TC95 over UT in all aspects. I find myself always falling back to my TC100 - which is just a more forgiving TC95 albeit with slight less precision. I can see why you liked the Wilson UT though. I like it too. But in the end, different strokes for different folk. I would definitely recommend you try a different replacement grip and see if that works for you in your Wilson.
I like both, tc95 and ultra tour for me are sensational, each with its pros and cons. So much that at the time of playing I get undecided. The ultra tour reminds me a lot of my old head pro tour 280, but a lighter version. I find the ultra sensational control, my volleys and smashes have improved a lot. But I miss the extra power and spin that tc95 provides. The good thing is that this will make me improve the technique to improve the top spin
 

jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
I serve better with UT than TT95 for sure. I lead up both racquets at 12 to help add some pace to the serve and UT responds to lead better. UT for sure is not the most powerful serving stick, but I find that serve placement is better with UT than TT95, especially those slice serves outwide. Overall, UT has a bit more power on serve, and it’s more versatile and not as linear as the TT95 when it comes to placement.
Thanks for the insights!!:) I figure the UT probably takes lead at 12 - or highish on the head generally - better than the TT 95 due to it's more uniform flex; the TT95 feels 'fluttery' at times - especially on serve, presumably due to the flex being mostly in the head, with the Textreme producing a relatively firm shaft. (I know, T.W.S.S.!! Textreme is Prince's Viagra lol)
 
Had another hit w/ demo UT string with some cheapo synthetic at ? tension.

Still is a wonderful racket for me, feels more smooth. Serving was interesting, better to the deuce worse to the ad. Weird. Having grown up Wilson, (first and longest racket I owned was Wilson Sting - blue and black) I am tempted to pick one up and customize a little (leather, little lead at 3/9 or maybe 2/10 to get a little more pop). But this racket controls my power and feels smooth. The sweet spot is small, and some balls fly when it is hit, but otherwise I like the racket and the way it plays stock, can only get better. The head is definitely smaller than reported, if fits inside my pure strike despite having a wider(thicker, not front to back but around the hoop) frame (which will make the string bed smaller). Thinking I would string at 46 with full poly.

Current PS2014 leather grip, lead at 3/9, babolat RPM 18g at 52
 

Kreklo

New User
So, I convinced my wife to let me buy 2 Ultra Tours if I downsized a little by getting rid of 2 other frames and a bit of a bribe in her favor.

Both came in at 305 unstrung and with the same balance. Going to string one up with previous gen. Wilson Natural Gut mains at 58lbs and Wilson Revolve crosses at 54lbs. The other is going to be full bed of Wilson Gut at 62. Will report back on results and lead placement.
 
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