Wilson Ultra Tour (Monfils)

Pre980

Rookie
I messaged Wilson. I followed up by asking for details, like are the updates Countervail? Clash? Paint job? Etc. The reply was "We do not have details at this time. Stay tuned."
The main info I wanted from them (my initial question to them) was whether or not the UT 18×20 was being discontinued, to which they replied, "Nope. It's being updated in 2020."
 

Gee

Hall of Fame
I messaged Wilson. I followed up by asking for details, like are the updates Countervail? Clash? Paint job? Etc. The reply was "We do not have details at this time. Stay tuned."
The main info I wanted from them (my initial question to them) was whether or not the UT 18×20 was being discontinued, to which they replied, "Nope. It's being updated in 2020."
I wonder what would be the updates but hopefully they keep the feel of the UT intact.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
This thread made me buy my own share of UTs and frankly they are a pleasure to hit with but needed just a little customization to get to my ideal specs.
But, is it me or the paint is too fragile on this frame?
Yeah. Really enjoy mine and agree the paint is very fragile.

Sneezing while holding the racquet caused big flakes of paint to fly off. ;)

Not that bad but it is very fragile.
 

smithie

New User
This thread made me buy my own share of UTs and frankly they are a pleasure to hit with but needed just a little customization to get to my ideal specs.
But, is it me or the paint is too fragile on this frame?
If it helps, I've been using gamma lead tape on my UT's for the past year (moving lead around all over the hoop) and it's never caused an issue with paint coming off. Might be worth switching to that to help preserve what is left?
 

marxknight

New User
Yeah. Really enjoy mine and agree the paint is very fragile.

Sneezing while holding the racquet caused big flakes of paint to fly off. ;)

Not that bad but it is very fragile.
It is quite interesting that although I've scraped and hit this particular frame several times on the clay the paint cracked on the inside of the throat and not around the hoop. smh
 

marxknight

New User
If it helps, I've been using gamma lead tape on my UT's for the past year (moving lead around all over the hoop) and it's never caused an issue with paint coming off. Might be worth switching to that to help preserve what is left?
I use for customization mostly tungsten and less lead tape but I'll try this one, thanks for the recommendation.
Maybe I'll try to put some kind of tape there just to make sure it won't break apart over time.
 

smithie

New User
I use for customization mostly tungsten and less lead tape but I'll try this one, thanks for the recommendation.
Maybe I'll try to put some kind of tape there just to make sure it won't break apart over time.
I've previously used this lead tape on rackets for over a year with no signs of it coming off and even after I've taken the lead off, I've never had any paint issues. I wouldn't use any other lead tape for my customising.
 

Gee

Hall of Fame


Hereby I would to like to share my setup of my UT. I customized it as follows:
  • Lead all around the hoop (ca. 10 grams)
  • 8 grams of lead at the top of the handle
  • Oehms leather grip
  • Yonex Super Grap
  • Strung with Head RIP Control 1.20 mm (mains) / MSV CoFocus 1.18 mm
  • Pacific O-dampener
The total weight is 350 grams and the balance at 32 cm (7 pts HL). Unfortunately I don't know what would be the swingweight strung but the swingweight unstrung is 280 and the static weight is 303 grams (incl. 3 grams of lead at 12 that the seller added in order to match with another one). Maybe can anyone estimate the swingweight with this setup?

With this setup it feels rock solid and I am able to serve bombs. However I still need to test with this setup for a longer period how it'll perform during matches.
 
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edelp

Rookie
a friend of mine just received a SW measurement machine and did the test of 1 gr at 12. plus 5 points. So 13 grams where you put it can be at least 40 points of SW...quite a lot actually
 
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Gee

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a friend of mine just received a SW measurement machine and did the test of 1 gr at 12. plus 5 points. So 13 grams where you put it can be at least 40 points of SW...quite a lot actually
BTW The 3 grams (wider lead strips) at 12 had been added by the seller in order to match with my second one. So I actually added 10 grams into the hoop (from about 4 to 8).
 
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jsm1373

Rookie
Two months after switching from Tuxedo RF97 to the UT and I'm hooked... Grew up on PS85 then 6.1 95 then PS90 then KPS88 then RF97 (red/black) then nCode Six.One 95 18x20 then Tux RF97. I win or loose by the forehand and just can't hit it to my potential (4.5 former D3) with the RF97 as well as a 6.1 18x20. Better serves and volleys with the Fed stick but simply cannot hit a violent cross-court or inside-in FH with the RF... The UT (with leather, lead and PS buttcap just under 360g) lets me hit Six.One-ish accurate FHs, but with nearly the easy power of the RF97 and its easy slice 1HBH.. Kind of if the RF97 and Six.One18x20 had a baby. Maybe if Wilson made an RF/PS97 in 18x20 (WTF haven't they yet?!) I'd go that route but right now must have : 97' (yeah I know really 98), 18x20, and glossy paint. Superficial, but I hate the velvet paint yet love @PeterFig 's designs so the UT is the only choice for me now... Is it the same "high quality, expensive, plush, buttery" magic graphite of the H19? Maybe not, but in a dream world where I'm in the Chi Wilson Pro Room and they ask me which layup I want - the answer is the stiffest possible (being a lifelong ProStaffHead)... Just heard they're putting Clash tech in the UT so I'm hoarding them before 2020. BTW I've got a big hi-res TV and while Monfils and Keys genuinely look to be using something darn similar to the UT, Coric's looks like a flatter more matte paint. Looks like Monf has black grommets but Keys has retail blue/purple ones. At any rate, never ever thought I'd use anything but a PS, but with enough lead and tungsten putty, the UT is great. First time I felt ball pocketing from the UT was hooked & well worth adapting to slightly more flex.
 

Gee

Hall of Fame
Two months after switching from Tuxedo RF97 to the UT and I'm hooked... Grew up on PS85 then 6.1 95 then PS90 then KPS88 then RF97 (red/black) then nCode Six.One 95 18x20 then Tux RF97. I win or loose by the forehand and just can't hit it to my potential (4.5 former D3) with the RF97 as well as a 6.1 18x20. Better serves and volleys with the Fed stick but simply cannot hit a violent cross-court or inside-in FH with the RF... The UT (with leather, lead and PS buttcap just under 360g) lets me hit Six.One-ish accurate FHs, but with nearly the easy power of the RF97 and its easy slice 1HBH.. Kind of if the RF97 and Six.One18x20 had a baby. Maybe if Wilson made an RF/PS97 in 18x20 (WTF haven't they yet?!) I'd go that route but right now must have : 97' (yeah I know really 98), 18x20, and glossy paint. Superficial, but I hate the velvet paint yet love @PeterFig 's designs so the UT is the only choice for me now... Is it the same "high quality, expensive, plush, buttery" magic graphite of the H19? Maybe not, but in a dream world where I'm in the Chi Wilson Pro Room and they ask me which layup I want - the answer is the stiffest possible (being a lifelong ProStaffHead)... Just heard they're putting Clash tech in the UT so I'm hoarding them before 2020. BTW I've got a big hi-res TV and while Monfils and Keys genuinely look to be using something darn similar to the UT, Coric's looks like a flatter more matte paint. Looks like Monf has black grommets but Keys has retail blue/purple ones. At any rate, never ever thought I'd use anything but a PS, but with enough lead and tungsten putty, the UT is great. First time I felt ball pocketing from the UT was hooked & well worth adapting to slightly more flex.
NIce reading!
How did you customize your UT? What are your final specs (balance and swingweight)?
 

JOSHL

Hall of Fame
Two months after switching from Tuxedo RF97 to the UT and I'm hooked... Grew up on PS85 then 6.1 95 then PS90 then KPS88 then RF97 (red/black) then nCode Six.One 95 18x20 then Tux RF97. I win or loose by the forehand and just can't hit it to my potential (4.5 former D3) with the RF97 as well as a 6.1 18x20. Better serves and volleys with the Fed stick but simply cannot hit a violent cross-court or inside-in FH with the RF... The UT (with leather, lead and PS buttcap just under 360g) lets me hit Six.One-ish accurate FHs, but with nearly the easy power of the RF97 and its easy slice 1HBH.. Kind of if the RF97 and Six.One18x20 had a baby. Maybe if Wilson made an RF/PS97 in 18x20 (WTF haven't they yet?!) I'd go that route but right now must have : 97' (yeah I know really 98), 18x20, and glossy paint. Superficial, but I hate the velvet paint yet love @PeterFig 's designs so the UT is the only choice for me now... Is it the same "high quality, expensive, plush, buttery" magic graphite of the H19? Maybe not, but in a dream world where I'm in the Chi Wilson Pro Room and they ask me which layup I want - the answer is the stiffest possible (being a lifelong ProStaffHead)... Just heard they're putting Clash tech in the UT so I'm hoarding them before 2020. BTW I've got a big hi-res TV and while Monfils and Keys genuinely look to be using something darn similar to the UT, Coric's looks like a flatter more matte paint. Looks like Monf has black grommets but Keys has retail blue/purple ones. At any rate, never ever thought I'd use anything but a PS, but with enough lead and tungsten putty, the UT is great. First time I felt ball pocketing from the UT was hooked & well worth adapting to slightly more flex.
I think the answer to your Pro Staff 97 18x20 May be the new Yonex HD. I also use a leader up Pro Staff 97CV and just bought the Yonex. I’ll hit it next week and update but I was hoping it would be like an 18x20 Pro staff. The RA is lower obviously but everyone is saying it still has nice power. Crossing fingers.
 

Razrfish

New User
NEW ULTRA TOUR CONVERT! (Having to change my signature line - again! LOL)

Played the Federer RF97a after his win @ AUS'17, got 3. Battled with them for the purity of feel, but the shock of off-center hits were painful. Sold them bought Tecnifibre TFight 315 LTD's and loved them. Played them for about a year, wanted to be back to Wilson and found the Wilson PS97 Countervail 2018 to be soft enough (Hit the Ultra Tour back then, but didn't customize it and felt it lacked without customizing). Used the PS97cv for a year, and decided I wanted more feel/control/ball penetration, switched to the Prince Phantom Pro 93p. Amazing racquet! Loved it. But after 6 months yearning for Wilson again. Decided to go back and try out the Ultra Tour get serious about customizing it and the result is nirvana. I bought 3 of them, set them up and I've been incredibly pleased with the feel, plow through, control, ball pocketing, arm friendliness, and she's a real looker! Here's the ultimate setup for me so far:

354g TW
31.5 Bal (9pt HL)
337 SW
MgR/Lo= 20.84


How I got there:

Lead:
4g at 10am and 4g at 2pm
6g in the butt cap

Butt Flare and Grip Customizing
4g 3M Mounting Tape (Around the end of the butt cap to flare it out)
10g Fairway Leather grip added weight
6g Wilson Comfort pro overgrip

Dampner
2g Tourna Pete Sampras Dampner

String Specs
Strung with Tecnifibre Ice Code 18g string @ 58m/56x with 10% pre-stretch
 

tomato123

Semi-Pro
NEW ULTRA TOUR CONVERT! (Having to change my signature line - again! LOL)

Played the Federer RF97a after his win @ AUS'17, got 3. Battled with them for the purity of feel, but the shock of off-center hits were painful. Sold them bought Tecnifibre TFight 315 LTD's and loved them. Played them for about a year, wanted to be back to Wilson and found the Wilson PS97 Countervail 2018 to be soft enough (Hit the Ultra Tour back then, but didn't customize it and felt it lacked without customizing). Used the PS97cv for a year, and decided I wanted more feel/control/ball penetration, switched to the Prince Phantom Pro 93p. Amazing racquet! Loved it. But after 6 months yearning for Wilson again. Decided to go back and try out the Ultra Tour get serious about customizing it and the result is nirvana. I bought 3 of them, set them up and I've been incredibly pleased with the feel, plow through, control, ball pocketing, arm friendliness, and she's a real looker! Here's the ultimate setup for me so far:

354g TW
31.5 Bal (9pt HL)
337 SW
MgR/Lo= 20.84


How I got there:

Lead:
4g at 10am and 4g at 2pm
6g in the butt cap

Butt Flare and Grip Customizing
4g 3M Mounting Tape (Around the end of the butt cap to flare it out)
10g Fairway Leather grip added weight
6g Wilson Comfort pro overgrip

Dampner
2g Tourna Pete Sampras Dampner

String Specs
Strung with Tecnifibre Ice Code 18g string @ 58m/56x with 10% pre-stretch
I also made the switch a couple months ago from the 93P, and I'm loving the racquet with 18g Ice Code too! I have one frame with natural gut/ice code and one with full bed ice code. Love that string, and the thin gauge is a great complement to the Ultra Tour in my opinion.
 

RogerShrederer

New User
UT for me is an excellent racquet. With a little lead at 3 and 9, and a gut-poly set up, you get a highly predictable response with a plush feel and uniform flex across the frame. I have very high levels of control but also the ability to flatten out for faster court penetration. It’s not a tweener of course, but no one should expect that, and it is all the better for it. But as is said above some customisation is needed, along with strings that provide some extra pop.
no counter weight in the grip for you? How much did you put at 3 and 9?
 

RogerShrederer

New User
I started by adding 20 grams on even on the head and 18 in the handle after a little experimenting. I think I want to remove some of the weight though. Im looking to get a little more control. Would you guys just take an even amount from the head and the grip?
 

tomato123

Semi-Pro
I started by adding 20 grams on even on the head and 18 in the handle after a little experimenting. I think I want to remove some of the weight though. Im looking to get a little more control. Would you guys just take an even amount from the head and the grip?
I think it's a personal preference thing, I personally added most of the weight at the top of the hoop since I prefer my setups to get about 2~3 pts headlight.

Edit: Sorry, didn't realize you were talking about taking off weight. If you like the current balance and want to reduce weight, taking an even amount seems like it makes sense. Also, maybe going tighter on the strings for more control?
 
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Razrfish

New User
I also made the switch a couple months ago from the 93P, and I'm loving the racquet with 18g Ice Code too! I have one frame with natural gut/ice code and one with full bed ice code. Love that string, and the thin gauge is a great complement to the Ultra Tour in my opinion.
Dude that's amazing! I loved the 93p for sure. Yep - I thought the 18 gauge would be something workable in the 97" 18x20 pattern and not just get wonky in an hour and out. Too funny that you've strung one up with Gut/Ice Code combo. That is my fav combo on the 93p, 17g VS Team Gut and RS Lyon or HDX Tour. Did you put the gut in the mains? What tension(s) did you use for the all poly and for the hybrid stick? I did the Ice Code at 58m/56x with 10% pre-stretch. Pockets the ball like a catchers glove, it's got enough power to penetrate the court, and yet I feel I can place a volley with surgical accuracy. My serves are kicking like an angry mule. Pretty dang happy with this Ultra Blue Dream Machine.
 

tomato123

Semi-Pro
Dude that's amazing! I loved the 93p for sure. Yep - I thought the 18 gauge would be something workable in the 97" 18x20 pattern and not just get wonky in an hour and out. Too funny that you've strung one up with Gut/Ice Code combo. That is my fav combo on the 93p, 17g VS Team Gut and RS Lyon or HDX Tour. Did you put the gut in the mains? What tension(s) did you use for the all poly and for the hybrid stick? I did the Ice Code at 58m/56x with 10% pre-stretch. Pockets the ball like a catchers glove, it's got enough power to penetrate the court, and yet I feel I can place a volley with surgical accuracy. My serves are kicking like an angry mule. Pretty dang happy with this Ultra Blue Dream Machine.
Yup! I also still love the 93P as well but I feel like the Ultra Tour has a lot more going for it and I've really gelled with it. I went with 56/53lbs with Luxilon 17g gut mains and 18g Ice Code crosses, and 52/50 lbs for full bed of 18g Ice Code. I could use either frame interchangeably at any time, but I tend to play with the gut/poly frame unless it's super humid or if there are wet spots on the court.
 

technoob10

New User
I recently demo'ed the new Wilson Blade v7 18x20 and compared it with my Ultra Tour with 3 g of lead at 12 o'clock. They played pretty similarly except I noticed that the Blade packed a bit more punch, probably due to the higher swingweight. They were both soft on the arm and the response from the Blade almost feels a bit more dampened than the Ultra Tour. I would say the Blade is a bit easier to play with than the Ultra Tour and I can see why it's such a popular series. I think for now I still prefer the feel of the Ultra Tour but the Blade might be a good option to switch to when Wilson discontinues the Ultra Tour.
 

racketgek

New User
I recently demo'ed the new Wilson Blade v7 18x20 and compared it with my Ultra Tour with 3 g of lead at 12 o'clock. They played pretty similarly except I noticed that the Blade packed a bit more punch, probably due to the higher swingweight. They were both soft on the arm and the response from the Blade almost feels a bit more dampened than the Ultra Tour. I would say the Blade is a bit easier to play with than the Ultra Tour and I can see why it's such a popular series. I think for now I still prefer the feel of the Ultra Tour but the Blade might be a good option to switch to when Wilson discontinues the Ultra Tour.
Wilson discontinues the Ultra Tour ???????? Really????

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TennisManiac

Professional
I just hit with the Ultra Tour. It felt like a plastic toy. Why do people like this frame? I realize it's just a platform frame that needs customization. But it seriously felt like a plastic toy to me. :confused:
 

Gee

Hall of Fame
I just hit with the Ultra Tour. It felt like a plastic toy. Why do people like this frame? I realize it's just a platform frame that needs customization. But it seriously felt like a plastic toy to me. :confused:
In stock form it indeed plays like an anemic frame. It really came to alive when I customized it to my specs (350 grams - 32 cm balance).
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
I just hit with the Ultra Tour. It felt like a plastic toy. Why do people like this frame? I realize it's just a platform frame that needs customization. But it seriously felt like a plastic toy to me. :confused:
I love that the frame is a platform stick that can be modded to literally any spec. Feels and plays awesome for me the way I leaded it up. Better than the new gravity pro or new v7 blades for me. :)
 

Razrfish

New User
I am not sure if the H19 is foam filled, but the Ultra Tour is.
Have you seen an ultra tour "not" filed with foam, but instead with silicon? Or even 1/2? Or No silicone and just foam? I've got a brand new example of all 3 in one shipment from TW? What a nightmare its been to match them all up with weight balance, swingsweight and MOI.
What do u do about that?
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
Have you seen an ultra tour "not" filed with foam, but instead with silicon? Or even 1/2? Or No silicone and just foam? I've got a brand new example of all 3 in one shipment from TW? What a nightmare its been to match them all up with weight balance, swingsweight and MOI.
What do u do about that?
Yeah. I have 2 of them and both have silicone in 1 chamber and foam in the other chamber.
 

Razrfish

New User
My 3 are all flipping different weights, balances, everything was a miss to get them matched up!! Now all matched up bperfectly but the solution was different on each one. IDK if they use the different materials based on the balance theyre trying to acheive?
 

Gee

Hall of Fame
Have you seen an ultra tour "not" filed with foam, but instead with silicon? Or even 1/2? Or No silicone and just foam? I've got a brand new example of all 3 in one shipment from TW? What a nightmare its been to match them all up with weight balance, swingsweight and MOI.
What do u do about that?
I bought a new pair with a match service.
 

moon shot

Hall of Fame
My 3 are all flipping different weights, balances, everything was a miss to get them matched up!! Now all matched up bperfectly but the solution was different on each one. IDK if they use the different materials based on the balance theyre trying to acheive?
Yes, they use different materials at various stages of production to bring the specs into their tolerance range.

my understanding is this only happens inside the handle, the hoop would be constructed the same and filled with foam in the same manner.
 

Razrfish

New User
Yes, they use different materials at various stages of production to bring the specs into their tolerance range.

my understanding is this only happens inside the handle, the hoop would be constructed the same and filled with foam in the same manner.
Way too loose a tolerance. The balance, and TW were both off by quite a bit. To make 2 match up, I've got 11g of lead in the hoop on one and 8g in the hoop on the other. 10g of weight in the handle and 6g in the other. Shoulda bought the matching service? How accurate are they? Do they look for balance point and TW? Do they individually weigh the head and the butt?
 

snoflewis

Hall of Fame
Way too loose a tolerance. The balance, and TW were both off by quite a bit. To make 2 match up, I've got 11g of lead in the hoop on one and 8g in the hoop on the other. 10g of weight in the handle and 6g in the other. Shoulda bought the matching service? How accurate are they? Do they look for balance point and TW? Do they individually weigh the head and the butt?
the matched racket service is weight, balance, SW. you can have them customize to your specs but that costs more
 
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