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What you feel is vibration frequency and not RA.That is too high for me. 63 is my max. Pro rackets should be big on feel, and 65+ does not provide feel.
What you feel is vibration frequency and not RA.That is too high for me. 63 is my max. Pro rackets should be big on feel, and 65+ does not provide feel.
Ha, I actually sold my Regna a day or so ago to a fellow forum member!try the Yonex Regna..
It's higher than I prefer too, 63 is a good spot, maybe 64 depending on the racquet but RA only goes so far in telling the whole pictureThat is too high for me. 63 is my max. Pro rackets should be big on feel, and 65+ does not provide feel.
I think this is meant to compete with the Extremes and Speeds, Pure Strikes, and Vcores more directly off a spin and power front than the Pro Staff was designed to. People could experiment with strings but this is another chance for a racquet company to sell and make money ahaAgain. I don’t mean to keep posting the same thing, but this line is going to have to outdo the blade 98. Because the blade is an incredible racket, but it’s a control oriented Racquet, that is a little bit low on the spin and power side. Then it’s also going to have to make more sense than going with the pro staff either the 97 or the 100. so it’s going to be very interesting to see where this line comes in at.
People feel the racquet bend on harder hit shots too, and well serves too for that matter, but yeah RA and stiffness profile might not be what most people are describing of as feelWhat you feel is vibration frequency and not RA.
no, the PS line continuesSooooo... No PWS, not 340g unstrung, no box beam... hell, not even the "pseudo box beam" of the 97.
So what makes this a Pro Staff? (From what I understand, this is supposed to assume the Pro Staff line when it's released...)
oh? I'm mistaken then.no, the PS line continues
oh? I'm mistaken then.
Wait what? Do you mean specifically anyone on this board? Can't you Google it now? There's few pics and pages floating around, 'red dit' specifically has a couple good picsanybody have this in hand and can post a few pics?
If it's supposed to replace the RF97, then my earlier criticism is valid once again.I don't understand why everybody assumes it will succeed the entire ProStaff line
it only replaces the RF97
About 50 players worldwide play the PS paintjob or model, so they won't bring down their most prestigious line
It doesn't "replace" the RF97 - it's a new "RF" line away from the classic ProStaff line - it is not targeting the ProStaff market or to be or erase their classic box beam style frame - it's just something new in addition.If it's supposed to replace the RF97, then my earlier criticism is valid once again.
It's got no PWS, not even 340, not even that "pseudo box beam".
Looks more like a repainted Ultra Pro than anything else.
It doesn't "replace" the RF97 - it's a new "RF" line away from the classic ProStaff line - it is not targeting the ProStaff market or to be their classic box beam style frame - it's just something new in addition.
It replaces it in the sense of a RF branded racquet but it is not a replacement for the heaviest classic beamed Pro Staff racquet - it is a new modern frame that is Federer specific - not a replacement for any prostaff modelIt surely does replace that, as it targets exactely that group of customers and the RF97 will no longer be made
The racket companies do not look to replace a frame with a similar one, but want to have the biggest target audience possible
So the classic Fed fan, who wants everything branded by their hero, will purchase RF01 instead of RF97
I'm so torn on whether I should buy this racquet.
I'm hitting fine with the Ezone but man, it's hard to say no to an all black racquet.
I think the posts and links may have been wiped. Like when I try to open that Swedish link, it comes up with a 404 error. That may have been an e tennis link?I can’t seem to find a link to the specs someone had posted a few days ago minus the flex rating
Weight
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Possible that the Shift will be gently re-positioned as a recreational/ "club player's" frame (vs. the RF01 being aimed at those with a more competitive focus)? Andy Roddick (who openly talks about how little he plays these days) makes more sense as the ambassador for the Shifts if that's the direction they're taking itIf it’s intended to compete against the vcores, extremes, pa98, etc, then where does that leave the Shift within their lineup? I thought from a marketing perspective, that’s where they had been positioning the Shifts.
I hope the SW on the 300g is wrong because 303 is unplayable. Even $40 game improvement racquets must have at least 310 SW strung. You would have to add about 8 grams of lead on the upper hoop for it to feel playable.Meanwhile no one has been checking other brands pages like Prince lol
I think the posts and links may have been wiped. Like when I try to open that Swedish link, it comes up with a 404 error. That may have been an e tennis link?
Anyway, only a couple days left to wait, someone on here with a username starting with 'G' posted a couple sample specs
Balance of about 32cm for both 300g 01 and Pro, the other measured specs was about of a surprise, Wilson QC might be at play, hard to tell right now
RF01 300:
303 SW
320g Static
62 RA
RF01 Pro 320:
332 SW
342g Static
67 RA
Recall having heard now the 300 is felt a little softer to those who tried it, obviously not quite as stable as the 320g Pro but hard to say what the layup difference might be, that 342g static weight and difference in SW is suspicious
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A gimmick? This is a great question, but the shift just doesn't play like a vcore, extreme, or aeroIf it’s intended to compete against the vcores, extremes, pa98, etc, then where does that leave the Shift within their lineup? I thought from a marketing perspective, that’s where they had been positioning the Shifts.
Meanwhile no one has been checking other brands pages like Prince lol
I think the posts and links may have been wiped. Like when I try to open that Swedish link, it comes up with a 404 error. That may have been an e tennis link?
Anyway, only a couple days left to wait, someone on here with a username starting with 'G' posted a couple sample specs
Balance of about 32cm for both 300g 01 and Pro, the other measured specs was about of a surprise, Wilson QC might be at play, hard to tell right now
RF01 300:
303 SW
320g Static
62 RA
RF01 Pro 320:
332 SW
342g Static
67 RA
Recall having heard now the 300 is felt a little softer to those who tried it, obviously not quite as stable as the 320g Pro but hard to say what the layup difference might be, that 342g static weight and difference in SW is suspicious
Mods please delete if not permitted, no harm intended
The 300 version will be 302 sw strung ?
Oh, I totally agree it doesn’t play like any of them haha…but strictly from a marketing standpoint, I felt like that was the audience they were targeting with the release of the Shift.A gimmick? This is a great question, but the shift just doesn't play like a vcore, extreme, or aero
i am guessing the average swingweight will be higher than 270unstrung, but due to qc, some will dip that low.These SW seem off to me, I don’t think those can both be strung or unstrung. If strung, then the 300g version is like 270 SW unstrung? If unstrung, then 320g version is like 370+ SW strung? Makes no sense.
I doubt it. Those SW don’t make any sense. See my above post.
Nice have you had a chance to play test if so how was itFolks.....
THIS IS NOT A PRO STAFF.
The messaging from Wilson is to completely distance it from the Pro Staff and not even compare them.
This isn't a replacement, isn't an evolution of, it has nothing to do with the Pro Staff, it is a whole new line.
So, don't get upset about it having no PWS, not being a box beam, and having an elliptical, thicker beam.
It isn't a Pro Staff, naturally it won't share anything with the Pro Staff.
That is all, some seem confused, wanted to clear it up.
Ooops I assumed most people on here would have seen the other thread before it was deleted, the specs are strung with an overgrip, one part I also forgot, measurement of SW is likely off due to QC, I think most people said they tried the Pro and the 300 felt good but a little light in the head, 310 SW seems rightI hope the SW on the 300g is wrong because 303 is unplayable. Even $40 game improvement racquets must have at least 310 SW strung. You would have to add about 8 grams of lead on the upper hoop for it to feel playable.
For those who tried them at least, they said it played like a Shift but better, someone said it just felt right, like a Shift and a Blade had a baby, or a Shift with a thicker Blade type shaftOh, I totally agree it doesn’t play like any of them haha…but strictly from a marketing standpoint, I felt like that was the audience they were targeting with the release of the Shift.
Same to me but maybe it's like the old Ezone Ai/Dr 98, people with a one-hander can definitely make those workSlightly larger head with a thicker beam doesn't scream one hander to me.![]()
Just need to open the mind, the Speed Pro is great for a 1 hander at 100 inches, there are plenty of 98s that are good.Slightly larger head with a thicker beam doesn't scream one hander to me.![]()
Got it so this is exactly like when they modernised a Pro Staff 90 with an elliptic type hoop and thicker beam, they would get an Ezone Ai/Dr 98, which is something only I seem to believe and pushFolks.....
THIS IS NOT A PRO STAFF.
The messaging from Wilson is to completely distance it from the Pro Staff and not even compare them.
This isn't a replacement, isn't an evolution of, it has nothing to do with the Pro Staff, it is a whole new line.
So, don't get upset about it having no PWS, not being a box beam, and having an elliptical, thicker beam.
It isn't a Pro Staff, naturally it won't share anything with the Pro Staff.
That is all, some seem confused, wanted to clear it up.
Gasquet - Instinct Tour XL - 100 sq. inch. and a beam of 23-25-21mm.Same to me but maybe it's like the old Ezone Ai/Dr 98, people with a one-hander can definitely make those workSlightly larger head with a thicker beam doesn't scream one hander to me.![]()
Slightly larger head with a thicker beam doesn't scream one hander to me.![]()
So you’re saying its not a pro staff???Folks.....
THIS IS NOT A PRO STAFF.
The messaging from Wilson is to completely distance it from the Pro Staff and not even compare them.
This isn't a replacement, isn't an evolution of, it has nothing to do with the Pro Staff, it is a whole new line.
So, don't get upset about it having no PWS, not being a box beam, and having an elliptical, thicker beam.
It isn't a Pro Staff, naturally it won't share anything with the Pro Staff.
That is all, some seem confused, wanted to clear it up.
So you’re saying its not a pro staff???
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Good example, though he has a very unique setup with that massive amount of weight at the buttcap proves it's definitely workable, might not feel as classic or sweet but can't argue with resultsGasquet - Instinct Tour XL - 100 sq. inch. and a beam of 23-25-21mm.
I know, I think I may have been too subtleSo you’re saying its not a pro staff???
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I have not, only seen it/held it.Nice have you had a chance to play test if so how was it
Only the 320g.Which weights do come with a real leather grip?
Aww. I hope they don‘t just make one great version like with the Autograph. The lighter models always felt off and had worse QC.Only the 320g.
I think you're right with the lighting and they still have a bit of silver at the top, maybe the next design brief from Wilson across the next update of linesCould just be the lighting, but it looks like the "Pro" version is all black and the other two have silver at the top of the hoop?
Have read that the leather to still a little thinner again than the synthetic ones so I guessThe pro heavier one having a leather grip will make the grip size slightly smaller ?
No. Synthetic grip thickness will shrink after a while. Leather will not.The pro heavier one having a leather grip will make the grip size slightly smaller ?
Agreed, it isn't a Pro Staff, it's just a repainted Ultra Pro.Folks.....
THIS IS NOT A PRO STAFF.
The messaging from Wilson is to completely distance it from the Pro Staff and not even compare them.
This isn't a replacement, isn't an evolution of, it has nothing to do with the Pro Staff, it is a whole new line.
So, don't get upset about it having no PWS, not being a box beam, and having an elliptical, thicker beam.
It isn't a Pro Staff, naturally it won't share anything with the Pro Staff.
That is all, some seem confused, wanted to clear it up.