Wilson's New Red Plastic Butt Caps. What a nice step backwards..

One final post from me here as you seem to have some erroneous assumptions based on some equally erroneous facts.

Wilson has two types of buttcaps. One squared and one rounded. The squared buttcap goes on the more 'traditional' Pro Staff line as it's what most of those type of customers prefer. The rounded buttcap goes on the other more 'modern' frames like the Blade and Burn. This was true for the last generation of racquets. And this is also true for the new ones. There are still two types of buttcaps. The Blade still has the same buttcap as the last model. The rounded one. They are still made of the same material. The only differences are the colour and the design of the trapdoor. I really don't understand your point of them being different, different 'performance' or 'amalgamation'. And in terms of 'cost savings' here too your assumptions are totally incorrect. It would have been cheaper for Wilson to stay with last year's design but instead there were additional costs in tooling, testing and different processes to create the red buttcaps..... not to mention administrative changes in new part numbers, distribution, etc.

So again:
- still two styles as before - no change
- same variation
- MORE cost
- same shape and material for the actual buttcap
- no difference in 'performance'
- only difference: new color, new trapdoor design to help standardize and enhance Wilson branding

Here is a little photo montage to show my points above:



drops mic (thanks @JohnBPittsburgh)


Thread done?
Wait... THAT's what OP was arguing about? (I had a hard time going through his nonsense)

Thank you @PeterFig for clearing that up. Also, OP, Wilson have setup their buttcaps this way for decades (Squared for Pro Staffs, Rounded for everything else).

I don't know why all of the sudden you have this issue. The RF97A has the same buttcap as all of the 85 and 90's I have owned, just that it's red now.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Wilson finds brand uniformity to its liking whereas the OP wants series uniformity. It allows you more freedom with the design with series uniformity.

The KBlade, for example, has a black butt cap that goes with the black design whereas a red one would jar somewhat, but it's a small detail obviously.
 
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macattack

Professional
I'd like to see someone refute Peter's posting. It's pretty much airtight, but I figure if anyone can question something so disarmingly proven, it's a TT poster.

(I'm kidding, of course. Thank you for settling that, Peter.)
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
If Wilson want brand uniformity why not paint all their racquets the same? The fact is that they know people want their product to be differentiated and the butt cap is hard to miss, as Fig himself points out.
 
I'd like to see someone refute Peter's posting. It's pretty much airtight, but I figure if anyone can question something so disarmingly proven, it's a TT poster.

(I'm kidding, of course. Thank you for settling that, Peter.)
Not only is it airtight, Wilson has been doing that since I was born. I don't know why OP decided to flip out now, in 2016.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
If the Blade now has a green accent, it only makes aesthetic sense to pick up the accent colour in the butt cap.
 

PeterFig

Professional
If the Blade now has a green accent, it only makes aesthetic sense to pick up the accent colour in the butt cap.
( yes I know I said my last post was my last one ... but this topic is a little different and of interest to me )

So in terms of design vs brand. It's a good discussion. They are both important and both valuable in their own ways. Of course the goal is to have a great design (racquets or any other products) but there is also value in brand consistency and brand exposure.

A related example of this is tennis bags. If you own a Blade (black and green) you can buy a matching black and green Wilson tennis bag. However on tour you will see all the pros using the Wilson red bags. Even if they are playing with the Blade. Consistency and exposure on TV is important so brand wins there. While at the smaller and more 'finicky' retail level design (matching black / green) is important. Sometimes you have to make a choice. And you make it based on a number of factors and goals. This was true for the buttcap too. Yes there was a choice to have the color match the racquet. But it was felt brand was more important in this one instance. Again a choice. Neither option is 'right' or 'wrong' ... it's just about what goals one is trying to achieve.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
If you look at tennis shoes they have exploded with a variety of colours and designs, and yet the branding is always there. A different accent colour doesn't lose the branding. The branding is the letter 'W' and its typographical style.

The choice is still obviously a valid one but maybe a little limiting aesthetically. People even choose string colour these days to match their racquets so some people are precious about such things. And red is a bold colour.

Looking at the other brands they seem to go for black and the Yonex green is somewhat unobtrusive. Prince borders a black butt cap with a green border on some series. Green seems to be their 'house colour'.
 

JohnBPittsburgh

Hall of Fame
I am grateful to the OP, because of his thread, we got some insight into the mind behind the design. Which I find interesting. Thank you Peter, for letting us in on your world, and some of the process that goes into designing a frame (and the intent behind it)
 

macattack

Professional
I am grateful to the OP, because of his thread, we got some insight into the mind behind the design. Which I find interesting. Thank you Peter, for letting us in on your world, and some of the process that goes into designing a frame (and the intent behind it)
To be honest, this is a much better way to look at this thread than the way I looked at it. Good call, JohnB.
 

danbrenner

Hall of Fame
One final post from me here as you seem to have some erroneous assumptions based on some equally erroneous facts.

Wilson has two types of buttcaps. One squared and one rounded. The squared buttcap goes on the more 'traditional' Pro Staff line as it's what most of those type of customers prefer. The rounded buttcap goes on the other more 'modern' frames like the Blade and Burn. This was true for the last generation of racquets. And this is also true for the new ones. There are still two types of buttcaps. The Blade still has the same buttcap as the last model. The rounded one. They are still made of the same material. The only differences are the colour and the design of the trapdoor. I really don't understand your point of them being different, different 'performance' or 'amalgamation'. And in terms of 'cost savings' here too your assumptions are totally incorrect. It would have been cheaper for Wilson to stay with last year's design but instead there were additional costs in tooling, testing and different processes to create the red buttcaps..... not to mention administrative changes in new part numbers, distribution, etc.

So again:
- still two styles as before - no change
- same variation
- MORE cost
- same shape and material for the actual buttcap
- no difference in 'performance'
- only difference: new color, new trapdoor design to help standardize and enhance Wilson branding

Here is a little photo montage to show my points above:



drops mic (thanks @JohnBPittsburgh)


Thread done?
I'll give you that Wilson hasn't done this simply to save cost It's nice to see that the lines are still different
But they do feel very different to me at least on the blades.
I have both the CV and earlier green models and the new big red feels way more pronounced or flared when in the palm.
This difference really throws me off.
I don't care so much for the look or material as I do the way it sits in my palm.
So at the end of the day I just don't like the feel of the blade cap. But alas. It's nothing $2 and a re wrap of the grip can't cure.
 

NoChance

Rookie
It's like I say with buying a car....I buy it to drive it, not to look at it.

And no, I am NOT going to go look in my bag to see what color the butt cap is on my Ultras.

Maybe that way, I can blame the racquet, and not myself, next time out ; )
 
It's like I say with buying a car....I buy it to drive it, not to look at it.

And no, I am NOT going to go look in my bag to see what color the butt cap is on my Ultras.

Maybe that way, I can blame the racquet, and not myself, next time out ; )
You take that truth, and you bring that sh*t elsewhere. OP don't want to hear that.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
You'll find that every car company in the world is in strenuous disagreement with you.


It's like I say with buying a car....I buy it to drive it, not to look at it.

And no, I am NOT going to go look in my bag to see what color the butt cap is on my Ultras.

Maybe that way, I can blame the racquet, and not myself, next time out ; )
 

Chotobaka

Hall of Fame
It is amazing how some people just continue to dig in their heels and use the most inane arguments in response to an authoritative source over...

...THE COLOR OF A FRIGGIN' BUTT CAP!
 

haqq777

Legend
I am grateful to the OP, because of his thread, we got some insight into the mind behind the design. Which I find interesting. Thank you Peter, for letting us in on your world, and some of the process that goes into designing a frame (and the intent behind it)
+1
 

John

Semi-Pro
Red or not is a design issue, but the quality of plastic and paint is another.

Wilson should spend a bit more on the buttcap.
 

Ambivalent

Hall of Fame
Not sure what the OP is even complaining about. I have both the PS97 and the Blade 16x19 and the caps are red on both models, but they aren't the same. The PS97 cap has a ridge that runs along the entire outside of the octagon, while the Blade cap is more rounded.
 

danbrenner

Hall of Fame
Not sure what the OP is even complaining about. I have both the PS97 and the Blade 16x19 and the caps are red on both models, but they aren't the same. The PS97 cap has a ridge that runs along the entire outside of the octagon, while the Blade cap is more rounded.
we covered that in previous responses. go back and read through.
yes they have made changes in the caps.. thank goodness., i thought they had not.
 

1st Seed

Professional
Ever seen a KPS 88 Butt Cap.Pure Gasquet like.
Best Cap period..Huge and flared out..
And no longer available
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Or you can protest about it or not buy the product. Some choose to protest about it, right? And that's not crying. It's called doing something about it.

Are people still crying about this? You know YOU CAN change the buttcaps, right?

So, either do something about it, or stop crying.
 

Simplicius

Semi-Pro
Maybe the butt-cap compatibility with specific sensors push Wilson to a more universal solution.
Just a thought...
 

NuBas

Legend
So even the pros butt cap looks nicer than the dumb plastic red ones retail buyers get. Pic from video on ESPN article bout Rogers racquet at USO 2017

 

anhboa2

Rookie
Omg the buttcaps... they change so much playability in the racquet...

I don't care if you don't care about the buttcaps, why don't just shut up if you have nothing to say LOL

For me, and many, the Buttcap is the indication of the racket face (because the way we grip them !?!?...) i have made many adjustments just to make them feel the same in my hand just like the old KBlade ;) (noted i made changes to the handle grip too)
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
I have read a lot of people worry about a lot less than the colour of a butt cap.

I especially love people who write they are going down a pound or two in tension, as if that would be at all noticeable.

When the new PD surfaced there were people worrying about the lettering!
 

NuBas

Legend
Wilson did market the RF97A to be top-of-the-line, custom made, super special racquet so people are gonna expect quality throughout so its no surprise people are disappointed and point out the cheap butt cap.
 

moon shot

Hall of Fame
One final post from me here as you seem to have some erroneous assumptions based on some equally erroneous facts.

Wilson has two types of buttcaps. One squared and one rounded. The squared buttcap goes on the more 'traditional' Pro Staff line as it's what most of those type of customers prefer. The rounded buttcap goes on the other more 'modern' frames like the Blade and Burn. This was true for the last generation of racquets. And this is also true for the new ones. There are still two types of buttcaps. The Blade still has the same buttcap as the last model. The rounded one. They are still made of the same material. The only differences are the colour and the design of the trapdoor. I really don't understand your point of them being different, different 'performance' or 'amalgamation'. And in terms of 'cost savings' here too your assumptions are totally incorrect. It would have been cheaper for Wilson to stay with last year's design but instead there were additional costs in tooling, testing and different processes to create the red buttcaps..... not to mention administrative changes in new part numbers, distribution, etc.

So again:
- still two styles as before - no change
- same variation
- MORE cost
- same shape and material for the actual buttcap
- no difference in 'performance'
- only difference: new color, new trapdoor design to help standardize and enhance Wilson branding

Here is a little photo montage to show my points above:



drops mic (thanks @JohnBPittsburgh)


Thread done?
Here are two strange examples, Six.One 18x20 and Ultra Tour, both come with the 'modern' buttcap. In the scope of racquets Wilson offers where do they fall? One is a update on a frame from the early 90s and the other is a brand new interpretation of classic head frames.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The butt trap door used to be red, but now the entire butt cap is red on both types.

I prefer the black bordered red butt trap door style of the two older types.

If I had my preferences, I would change the colour of the trap door to match the racquet.

So Burn would have a blue and a Blade a green trap door. Attention to details lifts design!
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
So again:
- still two styles as before - no change
- same variation
- MORE cost
- same shape and material for the actual buttcap
- no difference in 'performance'
- only difference: new color, new trapdoor design to help standardize and enhance Wilson branding

Here is a little photo montage to show my points above:

I don't care so much for the look or material as I do the way it sits in my palm.
So at the end of the day I just don't like the feel of the blade cap. But alas. It's nothing $2 and a re wrap of the grip can't cure.

Final Score @PeterFig 23 @danbrenner 0
 

Panquake

Rookie
I'll give you that Wilson hasn't done this simply to save cost It's nice to see that the lines are still different
But they do feel very different to me at least on the blades.
I have both the CV and earlier green models and the new big red feels way more pronounced or flared when in the palm.
This difference really throws me off.
I don't care so much for the look or material as I do the way it sits in my palm.
So at the end of the day I just don't like the feel of the blade cap. But alas. It's nothing $2 and a re wrap of the grip can't cure.
I think I have found a solution so everyone is happy
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Wilson_Triad_Red_Cap__Trap_Butt_Caps/descpageWILSON-WTRBC.html
 

Panquake

Rookie
I have read a lot of people worry about a lot less than the colour of a butt cap.

I especially love people who write they are going down a pound or two in tension, as if that would be at all noticeable.

When the new PD surfaced there were people worrying about the lettering!
Ah, I remember people complaining about the lettering when I leaked photos about a month or two before the release. I personally love it, but it’s funny how people pick on things so small
 

Panquake

Rookie
So even the pros butt cap looks nicer than the dumb plastic red ones retail buyers get. Pic from video on ESPN article bout Rogers racquet at USO 2017

Of course Roger Federer will have a nicer buttcap than retail rackets, his racket is very customized
 
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