Wimbledon 2019 Final: Novak Djokovic [1] vs Roger Federer [2]

Wimbledon 2019 Champion

  • Djokovic in 3

    Votes: 33 11.8%
  • Djokovic in 4

    Votes: 86 30.8%
  • Djokovic in 5

    Votes: 36 12.9%
  • Federer in 3

    Votes: 16 5.7%
  • Federer in 4

    Votes: 72 25.8%
  • Federer in 5

    Votes: 36 12.9%

  • Total voters
    279

Rogfan

Professional
Roger Federer played Andy Rodrick in the 2004 and 2005 Wimbledon final and then again in 2009 Federer won all 3 matches. Djokovic played Federer in the 2014 and 2015 final and won both so if we are sticking with the pattern 10 years on...
Except Roddick is not a 8-time Wimbledon champion
 

albertobra

Hall of Fame
I am surprised to see that Djoko is coming as favorite here from the TT crowd. It must be half of it jinxing.:cool:

I mean Djoko is not coming into this final as he did in AO vs Rafa, destroying opponents in previous rounds with the most impressive UE stats ever seen. Had Agut converted those BPs in 3rd set, Djoko would have been in trouble....yes against....RBA....
Now, let's check out how Roger is getting into this final? Grinding and winning rallies from baseline vs Rafa. Yes Rafa, not Agut! His route to the final has been much more convincing.

Roger Federer in 3.
 

GabeT

Legend
I am surprised to see that Djoko is coming as favorite here from the TT crowd. It must be half of it jinxing.:cool:

I mean Djoko is not coming into this final as he did in AO vs Rafa, destroying opponents in previous rounds with the most impressive UE stats ever seen. Had Agut converted those BPs in 3rd set, Djoko would have been in trouble....yes against....RBA....
Now, let's check out how Roger is getting into this final? Grinding and winning rallies from baseline vs Rafa. Yes Rafa, not Agut! His route to the final has been much more convincing.

Roger Federer in 3.
But Fed had good runs in 2014 and 2015 and then it turned out playing Nole was very different thing. I don’t think Agut was ever really close today. Nole lost his concentration in the second set but after that he was in control for the rest of the match
 

Federer and Del Potro

Talk Tennis Guru
But Fed had good runs in 2014 and 2015 and then it turned out playing Nole was very different thing. I don’t think Agut was ever really close today. Nole lost his concentration in the second set but after that he was in control for the rest of the match
Throw form out the window when it comes to Fed Djokovic. Lots of tournaments where Fed played better pre final but lost, sometimes convincingly. Means nothing. Djokovic will show up Sunday. Federer will have to be utterly sublime to win.
 

Whitelight

New User
I am surprised to see that Djoko is coming as favorite here from the TT crowd. It must be half of it jinxing.:cool:

I mean Djoko is not coming into this final as he did in AO vs Rafa, destroying opponents in previous rounds with the most impressive UE stats ever seen. Had Agut converted those BPs in 3rd set, Djoko would have been in trouble....yes against....RBA....
Now, let's check out how Roger is getting into this final? Grinding and winning rallies from baseline vs Rafa. Yes Rafa, not Agut! His route to the final has been much more convincing.

Roger Federer in 3.

Well the same RBA lost 2-1 vs Federer in Halle and it was 4-4 even in the third set before RBA chocked badly and lost the match.
So what are you talking about?
 

chjtennis

G.O.A.T.
I think this is 5.5/4.5 in Djokovic's way, meaning Federer has realistic chances as long as he brings his A game of 2019. He seems to be peaking now and if he wants to beat Novak at Wimbledon final, this will be his best chance.
 

tudwell

Legend
But Fed had good runs in 2014 and 2015 and then it turned out playing Nole was very different thing.
This is true, but those other two runs were based mostly around incredible serving and super aggressive baseline/net play. This time he’s actually been outralleying guys like Nishikori and Nadal from the back of the court. He seems to be playing more within himself. Not sure that’ll make a difference in the end, but at least it’s something new.
 

NEW_BORN

Hall of Fame
Djokovic is rightfully the favourite, after all, Federer hasn't beaten him in a slam since 2012.
Hasn't beaten him anywhere since 2015, and hasn't beaten him in a slam final since 2007.
But by god the stars are aligning.
Consider these facts:
Every time that Federer had lost in the SF of the French (2005, 2012), he has gone on to win Wimbledon.
Every time that Federer has won Miami (2005, 2006, 2017), he has gone on to win Wimbledon.
Every time that Federer has beaten Nadal (anywhere), he has gone on to win the tournament.
History is on Federer's side.
 
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If Joker doesn't get broken on Sunday, he will tie Sampras' record for fewest breaks en route to a slam. (2)

Who wants to tell '90s Clay he has to root for Fed not to get steamrolled?
 

Enga

Hall of Fame
Djokovic is overall better on grass than Nadal. They may be evenly matched. Djokovic had lapses during his match with RBA, but so too did Federer. Federer more so, he threw away a set without much fighting back.I do think he can win, but I just think Djokovic will. Djokovic will hang in there, and do something unexpected during big points to surprise.
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
Watched some highlights of Fed vs Nadal and I feel like he wont be able to rally with Djokovic. Nadal was not as speedy as he once was but Novak will be like a machine and run Fed ragged

Having said that I just feel like Djokovic winning a 5th Wimbledon is crszy at least at this point, so maybe Novak goes back to the old Djokovic who blew slam finals and Fed just serves flawlessly for the win in r tight sets like RG 2011
 

seraphim7

Rookie
What "new" tactics?
you think federer is playing the same way post 2017 as he was before ? He certainly seems to be hitting a lot flatter and playing more aggressively. Of course he hasn't played Novak much in that time so it remains to be seen how it will hold up.
 

BGod

Legend
Novak 7-5, 6-7, 6-4, 6-3.

Fed's chances largely lie with him winning the 1st set and if he somehow got a 2-1 lead to close it out in 4. Tough ask for him to be anywhere close to 2014 form even though Novak is a lesser version himself.

If Roger loses the 1st set his chances go down to like 5%.

Seriously, the man has won 4 Finals after losing 1st set, two of those against Roddick and the last coming in 2012 against Andy Murray. 4 out of 11 situations down 0-1. You might feel good seeing as how it's 4 out of 8 off clay but still, 2012 was the last time against Murray. When it comes to Novak, he's actually 0-6 when losing the 1st set in a Bo5.
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
Novak 7-5, 6-7, 6-4, 6-3.

Fed's chances largely lie with him winning the 1st set and if he somehow got a 2-1 lead to close it out in 4. Tough ask for him to be anywhere close to 2014 form even though Novak is a lesser version himself.

If Roger loses the 1st set his chances go down to like 5%.

Seriously, the man has won 4 Finals after losing 1st set, two of those against Roddick and the last coming in 2012 against Andy Murray. 4 out of 11 situations down 0-1. You might feel good seeing as how it's 4 out of 8 off clay but still, 2012 was the last time against Murray. When it comes to Novak, he's actually 0-6 when losing the 1st set in a Bo5.
Novak won both the 2014 Wimbledon and 2012 AO finals after losing the 1st set, and has won like 14 five set matches after losing the 1st set.
 
Fred has a chance, yes. But he needs to be serving better, needs a serving clinic. He can do it against Nole, has done it at Masters and 500s before, be it Cincy, Shanghai or Dubai. But he has to pull it off in BO5, esp slam final. That's going to take some doing but barring that, he will lose in four or five tough sets. Novak won't be returning from near the linesperson, so Fed will have to be a lot more aggressive on serve and STILL expect the ball to come back. Use more S&V as well, as he did during Fedberg. He will have to be patient and bide his time because Novak will be harder to break as well. On the plus side, his slice will work better against Novak. But they have played each other so often that it's not going to be new for Novak either. So, again, Fed has a chance for sure, but the favourite is Novak.
 

Feather

Legend
Fred has a chance, yes. But he needs to be serving better, needs a serving clinic. He can do it against Nole, has done it at Masters and 500s before, be it Cincy, Shanghai or Dubai. But he has to pull it off in BO5, esp slam final. That's going to take some doing but barring that, he will lose in four or five tough sets. Novak won't be returning from near the linesperson, so Fed will have to be a lot more aggressive on serve and STILL expect the ball to come back. Use more S&V as well, as he did during Fedberg. He will have to be patient and bide his time because Novak will be harder to break as well. On the plus side, his slice will work better against Novak. But they have played each other so often that it's not going to be new for Novak either. So, again, Fed has a chance for sure, but the favourite is Novak.
This! Roger Federer definitely has a chance. Anyone who says Roger, 8 time Wimbledon winner, doesn't have a chance is kidding. Novak is the favorite, no doubt about that too!

In the Rafa - Roger match thread, I could see some fans, especiallly Rafa fans, saying how can this Roger beat Rafa as if Roger were a journey man. Funny thing is most of them were predicting straight sets victory for Rafa. They haven't even learned after AO 2017. Arrogance always bite you in the end!
 
This! Roger Federer definitely has a chance. Anyone who says Roger, 8 time Wimbledon winner, doesn't have a chance is kidding. Novak is the favorite, no doubt about that too!

In the Rafa - Roger match thread, I could see some fans, especiallly Rafa fans, saying how can this Roger beat Rafa as if Roger were a journey man. Funny thing is most of them were predicting straight sets victory for Rafa. They haven't even learned after AO 2017. Arrogance always bite you in the end!
I will freely admit I favoured Nadal slightly and I blame Fed for that because he really got up for Nadal and played way better than in his previous matches. But yeah, never counted him out either. He didn't fluke his way to 20 slams no matter what his few remaining detractors would like to believe. And he showed that again yesterday. Can we rest the weak era talk now that Fed actually beat a, ahem, higher ranked and younger player at the age of 37 and to be 38 in a month?
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
you think federer is playing the same way post 2017 as he was before ? He certainly seems to be hitting a lot flatter and playing more aggressively. Of course he hasn't played Novak much in that time so it remains to be seen how it will hold up.
I don't regard 2017 as "new" when Rafa and Roger played 13 years worth of matches before then. "New" would be within the last year.
 

Feather

Legend
I will freely admit I favoured Nadal slightly and I blame Fed for that because he really got up for Nadal and played way better than in his previous matches. But yeah, never counted him out either. He didn't fluke his way to 20 slams no matter what his few remaining detractors would like to believe. And he showed that again yesterday. Can we rest the weak era talk now that Fed actually beat a, ahem, higher ranked and younger player at the age of 37 and to be 38 in a month?
It's different. I am fine with Rafa in straight sets prediction. I voted for Roger in straight sets. However to say that Roger doesn't have a chance to beat Rafa is being arrogant. Or clueless about the game. It's ridiculous to claim that Rafa broke Sam's and Nick's serve so Roger's serve shouldn't be a problem. Roger is an eight time winner with one of the best serve forehand combinations ever to finish the point fast
 
Novak is the solid favourite, no doubt, but Fed has a chance here. He will have to put in a miraculous performance on Sunday, for it to happen though.
 

Rosstour

Hall of Fame
Let's address the very real possibility that Novak's mental state could let him down.

He has shown that he's not entirely past the lapses and distraction that plagued him in 2016 and 2017.

He's lost to RBA x2, Kohlschrieber (IW), Medvedev (MC), Thiem (RG), and got pounded by Rafa at Rome.

Fed's losses: Thiem x2 (IW and Madrid), Tsits (AO), Rafa (RG).

Novak is losing to lower-caliber players than Fed is, in 2019. Now he has to face Fed, on grass. This isn't going to be easy for him.
 

seraphim7

Rookie
I don't regard 2017 as "new" when Rafa and Roger played 13 years worth of matches before then. "New" would be within the last year.
they're not the same players anymore so yes recent history is relevant say 2017 onwards from the AO final. why is the period before then more relevant and then too only the last year and not the period from when a new pattern began? Clearly something changed.
 

Feather

Legend
Throw form out the window when it comes to Fed Djokovic. Lots of tournaments where Fed played better pre final but lost, sometimes convincingly. Means nothing. Djokovic will show up Sunday. Federer will have to be utterly sublime to win.
This is true, unfortunately for Roger fans..

That's happening in Roger Rafa matches off clay too! Throw form out from the window, Roger plays well and beats Rafa.. Rafa entered semifinal in better form.. and Roger won convincingly
 

TennisFan3

Legend
People must be watching a different sport - those who are predicting Fed to win. It's completely based on hope than sound reasoning.

Novak in straight sets . The Agut match will be Djoker's hardest test of the tournament. Fed cannot challenge him in the same way.
Expect Novak to make a statement with #16 in emphatic fashion.

Nadal was garbage in the SF. No backhand, super pathetic ROS, bad rally forehand and slow movement. Overall pusher tennis - he needs to go to the drawing board. (Never thought he would be this bad BTW).
Novak is a completely different proposition. Every single serve would be coming back, and Fed won't win ANY long points. Novak will squeeze him until Fed starts to choke under pressure.

Make no mistake: Djokovic's coming fast and heavy to break all the records. He WANTS IT ALL and to leave no doubt about the GOAT title.
 
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Artanis

Rookie
Again, Novak, even if the favourite, played nobody this tournament, so is tough to call.
Rooting for the old man anyway :)
 

Aditya1234

New User
Rafa matches up against Roger pretty well. He has the match up advantage which Novak doesn't. Still roger beat him easily than thought. Roger in 3 or 4 maybe
 

RF6777

Rookie
Djoker would strike back 50% of the service to federer's feet....So I'm worried...
But fed played half volleys excellently y'day...
So I think it will be a close match
 

RF6777

Rookie
If the Forehand is as brutal as it was yday..& if he serves close to 2015 level...Then fed will win...
Might even win in straights...
If shankfest starts...& Serves like second set yday...Then djokovic wins in straights
 

Jonas78

Legend
I expect Djokovic to take this one. After the 6 last months last year and this years AO, i thought it was finally over for Fed. The season after the AO-loss has been way over my expectations.

Now Djoker isnt at his absolute peak anymore either, and he has more off-days, so I believe Federer has a chance. But again, Djoko is the clear favourite, and it will be a loss i wont take too hard.
 

uscwang

Hall of Fame
For Novak:
Stamina
ROS
Confidence from recent h2h
Movement
Defense
BH
Highest gear reserved for the final
Federer may be emotionally if not physically spent
Federer may have peaked too early

For Federer:
Confidence from beating Nadal
Offense
Underdog status
Novak is under greater pressure
Novak may not be battle tested
Audience support

Compared to Nadal, Novak stands closer to the baseline, hits ball earlier, and redirects ball better. These all add to take time away from Federer, who was already scrambling a lot playing Nadal.

Unless Federer serves outofthisworld all match and Novak struggles with his own serve, this title is Novak's.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Djokovic is a marginal favorite, nothing more than that IMO. Both will have one significant dip atleast in the match - not just Fed.
If Novak tries to slice/come to the net like he did vs RBA or like vs Thiem at RG (net play), he'll be beaten. He'll have to go back to the old style of relentless groundstrokes if he has to beat Fed.

If even Nadal was struggling vs the Fed slice when it stayed low, expect djokovic to struggle as well. Lets see how much part that plays in the final.
 

MasturB

Legend
I actually feel pretty good about this go round for Fred.

He played Nolan at Cincy last year clearly injured.

He played him in an extremely tight match at Bercy, arguably best ATP Bo3 match of 2018.

I think he's gonna be very confident after beating Ralph. Nolan hasn't faced a real test this tournament yet. I think the first set he will have to adjust to actually playing a top grass player and if Fred can capitalize early he can take that first set. If Bobby can take a set off Nolan then Fred definitely can. We'll see the margins Fred goes for because he'll have to go for more lines, utilize more slice, and definitely be on top of his service game.
 
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roysid

Hall of Fame
For Federer to win, he need to be ultra agressive. Brutal attacking tennis is the only one that may work against Djokovic.
Engaging in rallies won't work
 

WarriorRafa

Professional
Again, surprised people are giving Fed no chance here. When will you guys learn? Was just watching Paris 2018 highlights between the two and it was VERY close. All it could take is two good TBs from Fed like yesterday, a dip in concentration from Djovak and its done. For me its 50-50 on who wins this.
 
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