Wimbledon 2019 Final: Novak Djokovic [1] vs Roger Federer [2]
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
I wish this was a 26-year old Fed so people would realize what a huge age difference 6 years is.
Djokovic in 4 is my guess. Federer's serve has to be spot on to have a chance.
Djokovic in 4 is my guess. Federer's serve has to be spot on to have a chance.
TennisHound
Legend
Fed will not beat Djokovic. Djoker will take it in 4.
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Raining hopes
Hall of Fame
I am pretty torn about this. Both of Djokovic and Fed are my Favorites and both of them are at a stage where they might not win a slam hereafter at all.
Yes that applies more to Fred and that's why I want him to win slightly more, but people forget just last year before WB Djokovic was in a very very bad place.
Hopefully both of them give great accounts of themselves and play as well as they can. The only thing I want is this to not be a beatdown from either side. There's weeks off after this, hopefully both put in their everything here.
I would be happy if both have moments of brilliance. A good close match. For once I won't be worrying about winner or loser.
May the best man win.
CHUM JEZTE ROGER ! IDEMO NOLE !.
Yes that applies more to Fred and that's why I want him to win slightly more, but people forget just last year before WB Djokovic was in a very very bad place.
Hopefully both of them give great accounts of themselves and play as well as they can. The only thing I want is this to not be a beatdown from either side. There's weeks off after this, hopefully both put in their everything here.
I would be happy if both have moments of brilliance. A good close match. For once I won't be worrying about winner or loser.
May the best man win.
CHUM JEZTE ROGER ! IDEMO NOLE !.
albertobra
Hall of Fame
Well I am talking about Wimbledon, which is another level of tournament. And particularly second week. Roger will not play RBA in a Wimby semi with the same stamina as he would in a 500 event.
albertobra
Hall of Fame
I agree that the final result was never in doubt. But Djoko should have taken out Agut with much less effort in a Wimbledon semifinal. And he was not all of that in control in the third set.
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
Agut always takes a set against Djoker in slams
albertobra
Hall of Fame
Agut almost took two sets. He was the better player up to 4-3 on third set.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
If you reach Wimbledon SF having lost only one set, as RBA did, it means you are playing very well. Not sure why Nole was supposed to simply steamroll Agut.
Two reasons I have little hope for Federer this time -
1. Abnormally low bouncing grass.
2. Towards the end of Nadal match Federer brought his 2017 level with even better forehand. If his ground game works throughout the match - especially the forehand he can win this match. No loopy forehands in final please.
1. Abnormally low bouncing grass.
2. Towards the end of Nadal match Federer brought his 2017 level with even better forehand. If his ground game works throughout the match - especially the forehand he can win this match. No loopy forehands in final please.
albertobra
Hall of Fame
I actually believe that the extra low bouncing grass is working perfect for Fed.
It favors the fact that Roger sticks on baseline to rally.
The match vs Rafa clearly showed this. He took great advantage from low bouncing, allowing him to get in even more.
The conditions are perfect for Roger, and if his groundstrokes are at the level of the semifinal, we might see the most memorable beat down of the Roger Novak H2H.
Federer in 3 clean sets.
Rogfan
Professional
Roger already way exceeded my expectations for this Wimbledon by winning the semi and beating Nadal. Win or lose tomorrow I won’t be upset at all. He could be mentally spent and receive a beat down. It’s OK, I’d blame the draw. But I know Roger won’t go down without a fight. Hoping for a competitive one!
La Grande
G.O.A.T.
Lol all this analyzing, yall are hilariousDjokovic in 4 and I have no interest in watching. My one Djokovic match per tourney quota was filled today unless Rafa won.
Take the guitar down and play us Imhotep’s theme song
a10best
Hall of Fame
when this happens tomorrow it's time to celebrate.
Arvind Sridhar
Semi-Pro
With the euphoria and the dust settling in after last night's great win, it will interesting to see how Federer comes in tomorrow. How mentally exhausted will he be ? Admittedly a fresher Federer will still have huge problems with Djokovic. Djokovic will do what he does best I guess with his deep returns and making things really uncomfortable. Federer for one cannot go into protracted rallies as he did with Nadal. Djokovic keeps the balls in play a little deeper unlike Nadal and will make it much more difficult for Federer to win baseline exchanges. Federer will have to mix things up regularly, not give him any rhythm and employ for the most part the slice backhand. While his BH is still not at the level of his neo-BH of 2017, this is the closest we will get to see him with his much improved BH versus a well playing Djokovic. But I am not sure if it will play a huge role at tomorrow. A reference to this would be the AO2016 semi final match, their last slam match. Federer tried to rally with Djokovic from the baseline and got his behind handed to him the first two sets. The current Djokovic is a level or two below that version but honestly his baseline play is still world class and easily the best in the world at this point in time. Add his serving efficiency nowadays and its a lethal combination.
Djokovic not having a tough match till now might make him a little under cooked for tomorrow. The last two times that Djokovic won Wimbledon, he had some rough battles on the way before he played his best in the Finals. Cilic/Dimitrov in 2014 and Anderson in 2015.
Djokovic not having a tough match till now might make him a little under cooked for tomorrow. The last two times that Djokovic won Wimbledon, he had some rough battles on the way before he played his best in the Finals. Cilic/Dimitrov in 2014 and Anderson in 2015.
You’re falling into the trap. Even in 2015-2016 Djokovic looks average up until the final. Sure what about the AO this year?. He will play out of skin tomorrow and win in 4 max
Peters
Professional
Oh indeed, that's a definite possibility. He's done it before.
But he can't do it every time.
That’s true but Federer also has a stellar SF then meets Nole and loses. I remember that masterclass against Murray then Djokovic eased past him. Can only see Djokovic winning unless Fed serves high FS and paints lines
In the same way Nadal can't win RG every time? These great players know how to manage their games. Djokovic has done just enough to get to the final.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
A bit unfair how Federer has to pull the Djokodal gauntlet here at nearly 38 to win this slam, while Djokodal have had easy slam wins for a while now.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
And even Fed's biggest haters shouldn't expect Fed at nearly 38 to bring his best level against another ATG in the second consecutive match. Djokodal will never have to do that.
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romeo8880
G.O.A.T.
Yes easy straight sets IMO with at least one set of bakery products. In the prediction league I picked Federer in 3, with a total of 24 games.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
If Federer will lose it will not be because he played a semifinal against Nadal.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Why not? He is nearly 38 and has to play 2 successive younger ATG to win the title. He had to raise his level for Nadal so it's asking too much to have to do it for another ATG.
Last year Djokovic had Anderson for example so of course he didn't need to raise or maintain his level.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
This comes down to Federer winning more second serve points. He hasn’t made djokovic pay enough. He keeps shanking shots. He served well at times in that 2015 Wimbledon final but he was his own worse enemy. Played a lousy tiebreaker in the first set. Had chances to break in the second set before the tiebreaker and played the ocassional loose service game in the 3rd after being up 40-15.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
I think he’s more than capable but he needs to do more with second serves. That has been the story in their last two Wimbledon finals .
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
There was never a 4-3 in the third set
Agut was broken for 4-2. Then it was 5-2 > 5-3 > 6-3
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
In 2014 and 2015 he had easy paths to Wimbledon finals (an even easier one to USO 2015 final) and he still lost. On the other hand in AO 2017 he played a few five set matches and still beat Nadal in the final. So it's not about the path to the final. He just has problems against a specific player since he got older. Nadal is now an easy matchup for him, with Djokovic it is the opposite.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Wimb 2015 was very similar. Had to raise his level to beat a former champion in the semis against Murray. Then he couldn't replicate that level in the final.
Same thing here, only that he had to play better against Rafa.
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
Go for roger, Novak still has chances with this abysmal field and he is atleast getting to finals. Fed can easily lose n r4 at the uso to tsitsipas like he did at AO. He also won a slam this year.
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
Do you think Rafa is better prep for Novak than Murray or other way around.
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
Sorry to the nice Novak fans but I'm going to hope fed has a serving clinic and Novak comes out flat.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Federer has a mental block against Djokovic for some years now. That us open in 2015 was all i needed to see. His game has to be sharp if he wants any chance to beat him.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
My point is that if he had to face somebody like Querrey in the semifinals I would still expect Djokovic to win the final. He is just a very tough matchup for current Federer.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Federer has simply been dealt with an unfair deck of cards. That is all.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Lol all this analyzing, yall are hilarious
lol
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BrokenGears
Guest
Nadal was struggling cause he couldn't bend his knees at all, I would say right now, Djokovic might be able to handle Fed's slice better
JoelSandwich
Hall of Fame
Prob Djokovic in 4 but I really hope Fed wins this
HowsItGoin
Rookie
We know Djokovic is the favourite and if I had to bet the house it would be on him (in 4).
But I really think there are reasons to be optimistic for Federer fans.
The low bouncing grass could benefit him, the new racket not being tested yet against Djokovic here, Djok not being tested that much yet, the variety Fed was able to consistently show against Rafa.
One big thing is the mentality. We’ve talked for years about Fed’s mental wall against Nadal and how it developed against Novak. Alongside that, I honestly think in the years before 2017 (and even after) Federer declined to put absolutely everything on the line at times in order to preserve himself and maintain his longevity. Maybe subconsciously checking out when he had a mountain to climb, especially with his back troubles. That’s not to say that’s why he lost then - it’s not. But it could be a reason why some matches weren’t as competitive. He wasn’t going to run himself into the ground so he could live to fight another day.
At this stage I think Roger would be happy to be carried out of Wimbledon tomorrow if it meant another Wimbledon title and against Novak at that, given how close to the end he likely is.
None of this may matter if the second serves are being demolished and Novak red lines for 2 hours straight. But it’s a factor that could swing the other way for Fed just like it did vs Rafa at the AO. This match is more akin to that final than any match since. Federer in potentially a last final against a nemesis that’s dominated him in recent years.
I can’t wait.
But I really think there are reasons to be optimistic for Federer fans.
The low bouncing grass could benefit him, the new racket not being tested yet against Djokovic here, Djok not being tested that much yet, the variety Fed was able to consistently show against Rafa.
One big thing is the mentality. We’ve talked for years about Fed’s mental wall against Nadal and how it developed against Novak. Alongside that, I honestly think in the years before 2017 (and even after) Federer declined to put absolutely everything on the line at times in order to preserve himself and maintain his longevity. Maybe subconsciously checking out when he had a mountain to climb, especially with his back troubles. That’s not to say that’s why he lost then - it’s not. But it could be a reason why some matches weren’t as competitive. He wasn’t going to run himself into the ground so he could live to fight another day.
At this stage I think Roger would be happy to be carried out of Wimbledon tomorrow if it meant another Wimbledon title and against Novak at that, given how close to the end he likely is.
None of this may matter if the second serves are being demolished and Novak red lines for 2 hours straight. But it’s a factor that could swing the other way for Fed just like it did vs Rafa at the AO. This match is more akin to that final than any match since. Federer in potentially a last final against a nemesis that’s dominated him in recent years.
I can’t wait.
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BrokenGears
Guest
Here's what Federer should do. He should make it a baseline oriented rally fest and try to hit Djokovic off the court. It worked very well in AO 2016 SF, why not try it again
inb4 I end up jinxing and Fed actually does this
inb4 I end up jinxing and Fed actually does this
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Well, don't know what to say. I would always prefer a victory over Rafa because any victory over his nemesis gives him confidence.
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
They better water whatever is left of this grass
maupp
Semi-Pro
Weren't Wimbledon 2017 and Australia 2018 recent enough?
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
I don’t get it either. from what I’ve seen Novak is playing as well or better than in 2015. His return numbers are a lot better
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