Wimbledon 2019 is even worse now
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Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Federer could have been the slam leader if he had been a bit more clutch,
He lost 11 slam finals: 6 to Nadal, 4 to Djokovic and 1 to Del Potro, the only 3 players who could beat him at those stages
Among the 11 slam finals he lost, 5 of them went all the way to five sets, where he had chances to win, in my opinion, at least 4 of those five:
He lost USO 2015 final to Djokovic in four sets with a horrible breakpoint conversion rate (4 from 23, having BPs in 11 games of the match). Maybe the non five set final he could have won if he was more clutch)
He lost two slam semis with double match points to Djokovic (USO 2010 and 2011).
And he lost to K Anderson in Wim 2018 holding match point.
OK, you will say that conversely, Fed won slam finals he could have lost, but those are very few compared to the matches he lost that he could have won.
He lost 11 slam finals: 6 to Nadal, 4 to Djokovic and 1 to Del Potro, the only 3 players who could beat him at those stages
Among the 11 slam finals he lost, 5 of them went all the way to five sets, where he had chances to win, in my opinion, at least 4 of those five:
- Wim 2008 (had break points in the fifth set, though he saved a match point in third or four set tiebreak)
- AO 2009 (had solid chances, lost important points, heartbreaking)
- USO 2009 (was leading 2-1 in sets, he was two points away of winning the match)
- Wim 2014 (he made a comeback in the fourth set, though it's fair to say that this one would have been Djokovic's fault had Fed won it)
- Wim 2019 (everybody knows what happened)
He lost USO 2015 final to Djokovic in four sets with a horrible breakpoint conversion rate (4 from 23, having BPs in 11 games of the match). Maybe the non five set final he could have won if he was more clutch)
He lost two slam semis with double match points to Djokovic (USO 2010 and 2011).
And he lost to K Anderson in Wim 2018 holding match point.
OK, you will say that conversely, Fed won slam finals he could have lost, but those are very few compared to the matches he lost that he could have won.
Born_to_slice
Legend
"without Me, you can do nothing"
ChaelAZ
G.O.A.T.
Yeah.
Entername
Professional
I wanted Federer to win but you're probably right. Novak was ahead the entire match so if Fed won it would've been the biggest houdini steal of his career
juanparty
Hall of Fame
Of course, the one who deserved to win won, 24,000 souls booing him must be hard, and he showed the balls it takes to succeed against adversity (example in life)
Feddy lost despite that, if the crowd had booed him and celebrated Novak, the match would have lasted only 3 sets.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Explain why so many Fed fans cheer for Nadal after he broke the slam record.
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Herald
Guest
Novak 100% deserved that win. Still tough for a Fed fan to accept.
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Herald
Guest
How many Swiss havens does one need before the money is enough though?
Spin Diesel
Hall of Fame
Don‘t know. Some people just follow the ones with the greatest success maybe? Or it‘s because they don‘t like Djokovic and if Federer can‘t have the slam record, then rather Nadal?
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Deleted member 758560
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they like nadal more than djo, what's done is done and there's no way back, no matter whether it's gonna be 2 slam difference or 12.. nadal is ahead anyway and to avoid that scenario with fed being third by slam tally, they cheer for nadal to eliminate djo in every slam encounter
What he told in interviews doesnt mean its true. Nadal told at interviews that titles doesnt matter for him yet destroying his body and trying to win as much as possible. Playing tournament while his wife is at the hospital with problems and expecting a baby. Dont believe everything you heard in the media.
I dont need to know anything about Fed himself. Any TOP athlete would strive to achieve most and finish career as best. Its simple fact. Unless hes not considering himself TOP athlete, then yes he will be happy with his millions.
Absolutely zero question for me. Always the GOAT. Actually even for (almost) no money. An assurance to never have to work after my career and to live in a normal house in a small village close to nature would totally do it for me.
Seriously I would have no idea how to spend both 500 millions or a billion, so why even think about the difference?
Why would people choose the additional money here? Well, obviously because they think that makes them happier. Any money above a normal living standard only has value if people need it to be happier. But certainly it wouldn't make ME happier. Being tennis GOAT would make me extremely happy though. So yeah, easy question, really.
Born_to_slice
Legend
If his shout damaged Djokovic (what he most likely intended) you'd make him a statue.
Texas Tennis Fan
Professional
Yeah, I think this is what will hurt in the long run. Since few players play top-level grass (just as few play top layer clay), I expect Djokovic to win the next 3 out of 4 Wimbledons and so pass Federer at his favorite court. That was far less likely if Federer had converted 40-15.
People keep under-estimating Djokovic's drive and the fact that he has a VERY young body for 35 years old. He is made to last for a long time. People bring up Alcaraz who is a great talent, but he will have injuries, will have weaknesses exposed and be upset in early rounds even before reaching Djokovic in the SF or F.
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
Just stfu, you know nothing about me (and you got the intentions wrong, you can't hurt the receiver by shouting during the serve)
Krish0608
G.O.A.T.
Only in TTW echo chambers does it still matter that much. It was a missed opportunity. Yes. it happens in tennis and in life. The guy has won so much, is arguably the GOAT no matter what the numbers say, has had an incredible career spanning different eras and is easily the most loved tennis player and one of the most respected athletes who transcended the sport. Yeah, I am sure he's losing sleep over 40-15 now. Myopic TTW at it's best (worst) 
KingGrayskull
Rookie
how? Federer literally led by a mile in every stat on the day, aside from the 3 near perfect tiebreaks from Djokovic. Lots of matches Novak was the “righteous” victor vs RF, but that one went the wrong way.
Hoi Polloi
Professional
Maybe 30.
Will be more important for bean counters.
For most people outside of the TTW bubble the Maestro is the GOAT anyway.
Bilders
Semi-Pro
The net cord of nightmares!
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I think it was more 3 dreadful tiebreaks from Fed than 3 perfect ones for Djokovic. If all he had to do was to just go into lockdown mode in tiebreaks, why couldn't he do it in 2014-2015 when he was a better player?
Born_to_slice
Legend
Well, you seem like some neanderthal. Was it you who yelled?
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
I've never uttered a word loud enough to be heard during a point
Funny you say this because to me it’s exactly the opposite. Djokovic showed immense resolve to win that match and ensure that the other guy would never again be considered the GOAT.Wimbledon'19 will always be about Federer... but some people here tell me the other guy is the GOAT
I’m pleased that the universe has put everything right - let Djokovic and Nadal battle for GOAT status. The other guy is an ATG and ranked right where he belongs.
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