Wimbledon 2019 QF : Roger Federer (3) -SUI vs Kei Nishikori(8) -JAP

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RF-18 said:
What is there to disagree with? Federer has put himself in this spot to play Nadal, so obviously he wants to win. Why should he be excused and find reasons if he loses? Makes no sense. And as it especially is against Nadal, it's a big moment in their rivalry. It's Federers moment now to prove everyone.
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The fact that I see it as a false equivalence, obviously. There's no 'excusing', just no 'tarnishing' neither, in my book.
 
mike danny said:
Grass has always been slower, it's not news.

Fast court slams are gone and they are not coming back. Fed has to beat Nadal in a slam somewhere and grass really is the best place to do it.

And don't forget that Fed won Wimb on this slow grass in 2017, so he is more than capable of doing it.
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2017 conditions were a lot faster, as was last year with the crazy heat wave/drought. Check fedr’s ace count so far...42 through 5 matches.
 
Rago said:
Two men and a half capy...two and a half...oh wait..wrong forum.
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zagor said:
To this degree? Where big serves are getting returned left and right and when the pros and comentaros are nearly universally claiming the grass is ridiculously slow? I doubt it.



Fed was in much better form in 2017 Wimbledon (and Nadal of course didn't make the date) and he was mostly facing guys who were disadvantaged by slow surface against him.
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Well, Fed will have to beat Nadal in a slam again given how rare these wins have been for him. He can't hope Nadal doesn't make the date as the guy has been a consistent slam beast for a while now. Has not missed SF or better since RG last year.
 
Krish0608 said:
Fed is peaking at the right time.
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Fed isn't peaking at all, he played a pretty abysmal match today if you compare him even to 2015 Wimbledon standards. He had way too many UE's on both BH and FH. Horrific BP conversion again. He's playing great for a 38 year old, but his opponents coming up aren't of a comparable age. That's his problem.
 
IF federer wins against Nadal at wimbledon for the first time in a decade, to avenge that 08 final....i think he will either destroy novak in the final due to finally conquering his demons or he will get destroy due to finally having nothing else to prove.
 
MeatTornado said:
Not quite as big, but still pretty huge. There's always the cop-out that he's about 38 years old and just recently Rafa decided to start showing up on grass again.

Not to mention this is far from a guaranteed major for Rafa if he beats Fed. Odds are he doesn't walk away with #19 either way.
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I want him to walk away at Fed's hands. Time to level up that non clay slam H2H.
 
BeatlesFan said:
Fed isn't peaking at all, he played a pretty abysmal match today if you compare him even to 2015 Wimbledon standards. He had way too many UE's on both BH and FH. Horrific BP conversion again. He's playing great for a 38 year old, but his opponents coming up aren't of a comparable age. That's his problem.
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fed played well from 2nd half of 1st set till the end.
only significant -ve was the BP conversion in sets 3 and 4.
 
mike danny said:
No, but Fed has to beat Nadal in a slam at some point. He can't finish his career with a losing slam H2H literally everywhere, not just clay.
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Dude, he's near 38. It's pretty miraculous he's still even playing.

There were plenty of chances for them to meat up at Wimbledon earlier yet Nadal is somehow less punished for losing to journeymen left and right and not making it through to his rival then Fed would be for losing a match near the end of his career.

Tennis isn't boxing, it never was and never will be. No matter how much media is fixated on rivalires and how much ATP/ITF tailor conditions to get their "epic" matches.
 
MeatTornado said:
Not quite as big, but still pretty huge. There's always the cop-out that he's about 38 years old and just recently Rafa decided to start showing up on grass again.

Not to mention this is far from a guaranteed major for Rafa if he beats Fed. Odds are he doesn't walk away with #19 either way.
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I don't think it's a cop out. It's the truth. He could be retired by now and we wouldn't be having these legacy talks. Funny enough, he would've already been surpassed by Nadal in that case. It's also true that Rafa is recently back on grass. Where was he in 2012, 2014, 2015, and 2017 for example? That's why much of the H2H (not all of it, but some of it) should be taken with a huge grain of salt, and it will be the same if Nadal beats Federer and loses to Novak on Sunday.

Now all the blame gets laid on Federer if he loses because Nadal finally decided he was healthy enough to show up? BS.
 
zagor said:
Dude, he's near 38. It's pretty miraculous he's still even playing.

There were plenty of chances for them to meat up at Wimbledon earlier yet Nadal is somehow less punished for losing to journeymen left and right and not making it through to his rival then Fed would be for losing a match near the end of his career.

Tennis isn't boxing, it never was and never will be. No matter how much media is fixated on rivalires and how much ATP/ITF tailor conditions to get their "epic" matches.
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It's just the way I feel, sorry. He couldn't win the big matches when it mattered, he has to make up for those failures now.
 
Well Feds through which sorta soothes the disappointment of the cricket World Cup earlier.
Although I don't see him beating Rafa on Friday. Anyway, semis is good.
 
Nadal's resume is so clay-slanted that only Spanish commentators and Rafa fanboys discuss Roger as the best and most accomplished player of all time. And Nolan is better than Nadal too
 
mike danny said:
Well, in my book, his legacy will suffer a dent. 3-11 slam H2H is just too much for someone who is labeled the GOAT.
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Perhaps Nadal shouldn’t have spent 2012-17 losing to (and I don’t even like the term i’m about to use) MUGS at Wimbledon and actually played Fed there when he wasn’t 37 years old. Maybe then i’d be a little more bothered about this horrible matchup.

Nadal will likely win on Friday and that will be great for him. But Fed should be ok; at nearly 38, he put himself in a position to win Wimbledon if the big two failed, they just didn’t. It’s no longer on his racquet when he plays those guys nowadays, I don’t give a stuff what surface it is.
 
mike danny said:
It's just the way I feel, sorry. He couldn't win the big matches when it mattered, he has to make up for those failures now.
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Yeah I almost wish he had lost. Sometimes I wish he would just refuse to play when there are widespread allegations of slow courts. Nothing to lose at this point plus it's high time someone took a stand on this BS. Look at the tantrums Nadal throws.
 
Tennisgods said:
Perhaps Nadal shouldn’t have spent 2012-17 losing to (and I don’t even like the term i’m about to use) MUGS at Wimbledon and actually played Fed there when he wasn’t 37 years old. Maybe then i’d be a little more bothered about this horrible matchup.

Nadal will likely win on Friday and that will be great for him. But Fed should be ok; at nearly 38, he put himself in a position to win Wimbledon if the big two failed, they just didn’t. It’s no longer on his racquet when he plays those guys nowadays, I don’t give a stuff what surface it is.
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Look, I have defended Federer many times before. But I just won't be able to do it anymore with a 3-11 slam H2H.
 
Tennisgods said:
Perhaps Nadal shouldn’t have spent 2012-17 losing to (and I don’t even like the term i’m about to use) MUGS at Wimbledon and actually played Fed there when he wasn’t 37 years old. Maybe then i’d be a little more bothered about this horrible matchup.

Nadal will likely win on Friday and that will be great for him. But Fed should be ok; at nearly 38, he put himself in a position to win Wimbledon if the big two failed, they just didn’t. It’s no longer on his racquet when he plays those guys nowadays, I don’t give a stuff what surface it is.
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You are too defeatist. 5 years since Ned has gotten it done on a real surface. This isnt forgone even though it should be with age gap
 
zagor said:
That's because they're trying to hype a sport that is on its way to entering a serious crisis.



Fair enough, to each his own.
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On its way? It's in crisis as we speak. I knew something was off when I wasn't crazy excited about the AO 2018 win. If I can lose interest you bet most of the world already has. French Open wasn't being telecasted on any of the regular channels in a market as large as ours. If I have to be entertainined id rather Netflix a good show.
 
mike danny said:
Look, I have defended Federer many times before. But I just won't be able to do it anymore with a 3-11 slam H2H.
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Doesn't really matter if you can defend him or not. That's not really the point. He's 38 freaking years old and still making semis of Grand Slams. We fans must be blessed, really. If you are not able to "defend" him, does that reduce gotta greatness? Not even a bit.
 
TearTheRoofOff said:
Agree, but to top it off, I find it hard to see a loss taking much if anything away from what a player has achieved. Tennis is a game of matchups, ultimately, and we have to dive into the muddy waters of weak eras to advocate much in the way of 'tarnishings' and you know what a can of worms that is.
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Yeah, I agree. Tennis is a game. It entertains me. Federer can lose on Friday, he'll still have 20 slams and countless other records. He can end up 3rd place on the slam list, but he still has 20 slams. It's just not that big a deal to me anymore. I can't believe people don't get more happiness out of Federer play. It's like they say they do, until that moment when he comes up against Djokovic or Nadal and then it all goes out the window. It's a bit embarrassing how more people can't just enjoy the match on its own with two legends going at it.
 
mike danny said:
Look, I have defended Federer many times before. But I just won't be able to do it anymore with a 3-11 slam H2H.
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What will it matter if he retires with the slam record? Nobody on earth cares or remembers H2H's against any of the former great players. True tennis fans will know it was Mac-Borg 7-7 and Pete-Andre 14-8, but no other rivalries even come to mind with this nonsense. Fed could be 1-31 in slams against Nadal, but if retired with 22 majors and Nadal 20, that's all that matters historically.

Connors was 0-17 H2H against Lendl after he turned 33. Is that supposed to "tarnish" his legacy?
 
mike danny said:
Look, I have defended Federer many times before. But I just won't be able to do it anymore with a 3-11 slam H2H.
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Fair do’s. Just think it’s harsh to penalise him for potentially losing a match he should, by rights, not be playing in. He’s into overtime in a way the other two aren’t yet. Just the way it is.
 
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