Alcaraz won’t be spinning his FH back down the middle to Novak, and he will be tracking down the BH to BH rallies with his divine footwork, and not drifting slices back, and all other things being relatively equal…Carlos in 4 tough sets. If it becomes a beatdown, I will feel sad for many hardcore ND fans, because the path to fpp and obscurity will be tangible.
Wimbledon 2024 Final - [2] Novak Djokovic (SRB) v/s [3] Carlos Alcaraz Garfia (SPN)
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FernandoBiH
Semi-Pro
Alcaraz has mental edge here.
Wawrinka is 183. Tiny is 185
ghostofMecir
Legend
lol trying to jinx Carlitos.
Btw, Carlitos in straight sets is at +310 and Djoko in straights is at +550.
Carlos a clear favorite right now, but there’s some uncertainty. It’s hard to bet Carlos because you can’t tell where his game is at all .
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Alcaraz said it in his presser that he’s not new anyone. He is very experienced already and he can handle these occasions just as well as the big 3 did.
80s New Wave
Semi-Pro
Should be alcaraz, unless he gets tight as the favorite which he really wasn't going into last year's final.
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
Yeah, he is, but that doesnt guaranty you win against novak, he knows all the tricks, all the plays, Alcaraz level is stratospheric but he cant afford silly mistakes or lapses
bigjimbofan
Semi-Pro
Question. What would you rate Novak's movement at this point of the tourney ? 80 percent, 90 percent ,95 percent, 100 percent ? Is he still favoring that knee at this stage ?
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
Id say novak movement is about precisión and anticipation, not about speed, thats why hes still winning in late 30s, and thats why as long as that knee doesnt break, i dont think It makes much difference
TheGoldenEra1990’s
Hall of Fame
TheGoldenEra1990’s
Hall of Fame
He hasn’t beat any great great player this year at Wimbledon. Djoker hasn’t either. So it’s anyone’s match. Sinner was injured again. It’s the only reason Med was in the semis
TheGoldenEra1990’s
Hall of Fame
I mean it’s not draw Djoker would do any worse against. I doubt Djoker gets down 2 sets to 1 to Tiafoe and a TB decides it LOL
This match can go go either way
I Am Finnish
Bionic Poster
@Lleytonstation will root for Tiny-C
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Never. I am all Djoker for this one. Stick it to the kid.@Lleytonstation will root for Tiny-C
Dominic & Andrey
Legend
The only thing Wawrinka has going for him are his wins against Djokovic in slams, that's all he has.
Dominic & Andrey
Legend
Carlos to show to Murray how to win four slams playing an entertaining game.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
It would be pretty embarrassing for Carlos to lose to 37 year old Djokovic, but these last few generations have taught me that anything is possible
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
Sinner has a lot of excuses and not so many titles
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Imhotep in 4.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
That remains to be seen
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
RS
Bionic Poster
Not a lot just like most other fans
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
How people forget his RG shorts.
Yeah, honestly, today's matches make me more hopeful of Alcaraz's chances. In his last two matches, Carlos dropped a sloppy first set and then basically rolled. That's a far cry from what happened against Tiafoe or even Humbert, and those two matches feel a bit more in the rear-view mirror now. Djokovic I think will need to pick up the serving. It was better indoors, but now outdoors again today it seemed to suffer (and the forecast for the final looks overcast but not rainy). For about half the match today he was languishing in the low 60%s behind his first serve – this against a guy who was just chipping the ball passively into play. Musetti also gave Djokovic all the initiative in a lot of rallies with his mid-court slices, and even when he came over the ball he generally needed more time and space to hit it well than Alcaraz does. I was honestly surprised Musetti kept it as close as he did and I think a lot of it was down to Novak just not being dialed in.
Anything can happen of course – maybe Novak just hasn't brought his highest level yet. For the most part he's been coasting, doing juuust enough to win comfortably (but not exceptionally dominantly) against thoroughly overmatched opponents. Carlos has had some very worryingly low dips in play this fortnight but his best has looked, to me, better than Novak's best (with the exception of the serve, where Djokovic's best has been far and away superior). Maybe Djokovic has a higher gear to go to – historically, that's been true, but he's getting older and coming off a surgery and even before the knee injury hadn't really shown that higher gear much this season, so we'll see. Also need Carlos to hold up his end of the bargain and play at least as well as he did in the last couple matches. Should be a fun one.
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NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Mine however are true most of the time. Before AO 2017 I had a feeling Fed was going to win even though most have already given Rafa the trophy and Rafa had his numbers in slams for a decade , when Rafa took the lead in 5th even then I wasn't not feeling it. I had the same feeling that France would win in 1998 even though Brazil were overwhelming favourite ( same goes for 2006 against Brazil when nobody gave France any chance since their team was very old )
Day_Tripper
Rookie
Father time has caught up with Djokovic. Alcaraz is just too good and immune to the pressures of a Grand Slam final.
Juice4080
Semi-Pro
Lost in all the hype is the fact that Carlos just doesn't play the kind of tennis to beat Novak CONSISTENTLY. The roller-coaster tennis won't get it done because Novak has figured him out. Last time they played he has the small man in tears and Novak since Roland Garros is playing better than he did last year. Expect a comfortable win with maybe one tight set.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Now coming back to this match . One thing that will be in Carlos favour is he doesn't fear anyone. However his error prone game can be exploited by Djokovic's lockdown mode. This won't be a straight set affair for either player. Carlos in 4 sets imo
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Djokovic in 4.
The only thing giving me doubt is Carlos has a tendency to make an avalanche of errors in bursts, when it rains it pours. Could be enough to allow Djovak to steal a set where he wasn’t the better player.
But I just don’t see any way a 37 year old Djoko outplays him over 5 sets. It shouldn’t even be as close as last year, really.
Novak will have to serve 70+%, Alcaraz have a very bad serving day and not feeling the ball well, and even then, it still will be uphill battle for the old Serb. His intensity just isn’t there with what Alcaraz can produce.
But I just don’t see any way a 37 year old Djoko outplays him over 5 sets. It shouldn’t even be as close as last year, really.
Novak will have to serve 70+%, Alcaraz have a very bad serving day and not feeling the ball well, and even then, it still will be uphill battle for the old Serb. His intensity just isn’t there with what Alcaraz can produce.
Genie Of the Bank
Hall of Fame
I will go with Carlos in 3 or 4, even the greatest legends have their end.
manley0702
Rookie
Of course it can go either way, but the smart money is on Carlos. I'm not saying it's 60/40, but it's probably 55/45 or close to there.
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
So looking forward to this, I'll say Carlos in 4, keep his incredible record in finals and clutch moments going. He may not have the consistency through an entire match like the big three, but he has a comparable top level and mental resiliance.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Vincent-C
Legend
That's a lot- and there's also taking out the surly, petulant Mallorcan in an AO final.
nice
TheFifthSet
Legend
People still don’t know what a meniscus resection is, and how long the typical recovery is. Weaponized ignorance lol.
In any event, it’ll probably be Alcaraz in 4 or so
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Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
The dynamics in this final seem completely different compared to last year. Twelve months ago Djokovic had won the first two majors and was the four time defending champion so you could understand why many people regarded him as the favourite whereas now he's 37, has been in poor form all year and is coming back from surgery just a couple weeks before the tournament started so in a sense it feels like all the pressure is on Alcaraz this time round.
Deep down I do think Alcaraz will win but I'll be fascinated to see if Djokovic employs different tactics to what he used in the 2023 final in order to shorten the points and take the Spaniard out of his comfort zone. Getting into lengthy exchanges with someone that gets every ball back is probably not the best route to go down, especially when that player is 16 years younger than you. And for God's sake Novak please serve better than you did last year.
Deep down I do think Alcaraz will win but I'll be fascinated to see if Djokovic employs different tactics to what he used in the 2023 final in order to shorten the points and take the Spaniard out of his comfort zone. Getting into lengthy exchanges with someone that gets every ball back is probably not the best route to go down, especially when that player is 16 years younger than you. And for God's sake Novak please serve better than you did last year.
pirhaksar
Professional
Weaponized ignorance - never heard that usage before in any context!
I Am Finnish
Bionic Poster
Sure Jan lol
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
You must be 173cm to ride the 2 time WC ride.
TheGoldenEra1990’s
Hall of Fame
Considering Djokers age yea Carlos should win. The past finals should show this. But it’s also Djoker. He’s not a normal human being so. Ehh flip a coin really. Depends on who wins set number 2 I will say. Could be underwhelming or could be another 5 sets thriller.
I feel like this is desperation mode for djoker though. He hasn’t much time left for number 25
I feel like this is desperation mode for djoker though. He hasn’t much time left for number 25
I Am Finnish
Bionic Poster
I'm 174cm
Hood_Man
G.O.A.T.
I hope it's 5 sets. The last time the first 3 grand slam finals of the year went to 5 sets was 1946;
en.wikipedia.org
Then maybe we could 5 sets at the US Open and we'll have all 4 finals going 5 sets, which has never happened before.
List of Grand Slam men's singles finals - Wikipedia
Then maybe we could 5 sets at the US Open and we'll have all 4 finals going 5 sets, which has never happened before.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
You look down on The Shepherd too eh?I'm 174cm
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