Of course, it’s just an educated guess, but look at the other members who voted Djokovic in 4. They’re all pretty serious and knowledgeable, and mostly not Djokovic fans. I’m quite confident in my prediction
Wimbledon 2024 Final - [2] Novak Djokovic (SRB) v/s [3] Carlos Alcaraz Garfia (SPN)
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middleballs
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Alcaraz in 5. He did it last year and has only gotten more experience (and another slam) since then. He loves being on the biggest stage, playing the biggest match and also finds joy in the pain that is being down and having to fight for hours to succeed.
Vincent-C
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I hear ya. Reely reely hoping for a top-flight Final.Of course, it’s just an educated guess, but look at the other members who voted Djokovic in 4. They’re all pretty serious and knowledgeable, and mostly not Djokovic fans. I’m quite confident in my prediction
EddieChang
Rookie
No fatigue will not play a factor lmao, even if it will, it will not be in djokovic’s favor
Nostradamus
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this guy saids carlos will win
Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
I literally pressed the 'post' button right as Djokovic got to triple match points at 5-3 40-0 on Musetti's serve & the Italian had the balls in his hand to hit the 2nd serve.
And dude that image made me go bloody bollocks, its so creepy.
Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
@Federer and Del Potro from where do you get these images, pal?
Sentinel
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Vincent-C
Legend
I literally saw this post then literally replied because I thought it was literally silly to needlessly use the word "literally".
Christ on a crutch, peoples.. and "weaponized" is becoming the new "literally".
Oh, what fun we're in for.
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Only the Djokovic fans would tip Djokovic.
There is no intellectual reason to think Djokovic would beat Alcaraz, after Djokovic looked so timid vs. Musetti, while Alcaraz blasted 55 winners vs. Medwall.
Will be hard for Djokovic to win a set, though I voted for "Alcaraz in 5" because he's 12-1 in 5-setters so its always the safest bet.
There is no intellectual reason to think Djokovic would beat Alcaraz, after Djokovic looked so timid vs. Musetti, while Alcaraz blasted 55 winners vs. Medwall.
Will be hard for Djokovic to win a set, though I voted for "Alcaraz in 5" because he's 12-1 in 5-setters so its always the safest bet.
ark_28
Legend
Novak has to be quite a strong favourite here for a few reasons.
1. Alcaraz has looked shaky all tournament.
2. Novak played one of his worse matches particularly on serve in a wimbledon final last year and still nearly won it.
3. Novak has won their two matches since that final.
Alcaraz definitely has a chance but, Novak for me is a clear favourite and I expect him to get his revenge tomorrow.
1. Alcaraz has looked shaky all tournament.
2. Novak played one of his worse matches particularly on serve in a wimbledon final last year and still nearly won it.
3. Novak has won their two matches since that final.
Alcaraz definitely has a chance but, Novak for me is a clear favourite and I expect him to get his revenge tomorrow.
Gary Duane
Talk Tennis Guru
I picked Carlos in 4, but to be honest no result would surprise me. At this point we know how well he does in five sets. But from experience I have learned never to count out Djokovic. So in spite of the fact that I think it is unlikely, if he ends up winning it would not shock me.
Why's that? Alcaraz has been favoured over Djokovic the whole tournament, even when he had Sinner and Medvedev in his half and Djokovic didn't
Vincent-C
Legend
I've got it even, but I don't bet.
ark_28
Legend
He really hasn’t based on his level of play.
InsideOut900
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One thing that has been very noticeable is Novak's weight of shot being down from his 2022-2023 years.
This will have a pretty big impact as the grass looks quite slow and will make it easier for Carlos to straight up outmuscle Novak.
Meanwhile Carlos isn't playing as well as last year, but once again, he seems to have gotten plain better once the QFs rolled in.
This will have a pretty big impact as the grass looks quite slow and will make it easier for Carlos to straight up outmuscle Novak.
Meanwhile Carlos isn't playing as well as last year, but once again, he seems to have gotten plain better once the QFs rolled in.
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That it's grass and Best of 5 isn't a handicap for Djokovic either. And Alcaraz can potentially lose to many guys on grass as well, as Queen's shows (and also the Tiafoe, Paul and Humbert matches etc.).
Let's wait and see of course, but I don't see Alcaraz getting close to winning this time.
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Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
Halys match?
Damn, mixed it up with the other French, Humbert. But I should have added the Paul match, being down a set and a break.
Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
And he solved both of them at the end, finishing strongly. Humbert in particular was on fire throughout the entire match & Alcaraz still contained him in 4 sets. The hold at 3-4 from 0-40 down was particularly impressive.
Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
@alexio would report that for foul language xD
Vincent-C
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That commenter leaves me in awe.
FernandoBiH
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StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
LOL at the poll results. Classic TTW, never learn.
RS
Bionic Poster
Rattie
Legend
Alcaraz has dropped the opening set in his past 4 matches but then upped his game and gone on to win. Each time he has talked afterwards about being nervous at the start of the match which affected him. He lost the opening set 1-6 in the WB23 final - more nerves.
So I expect he will in all likelihood repeat this tomorrow and drop the first set.
The question is, will he go into god mode thereafter and win. Match is on Carlos’s racket imo
So I expect he will in all likelihood repeat this tomorrow and drop the first set.
The question is, will he go into god mode thereafter and win. Match is on Carlos’s racket imo
KantenKlaar
Hall of Fame
I like it that King Felipe of Spain makes time to support his countrymen. I hope he will be there on Sunday.
roysid
Legend
At the beginning, nobody thought Djokovic would win after a knee surgery
But after his semifinal show, perception should change
King_ Zeglan12
Professional
Why is that though? I'm really curious because I don't think Djokovic displayed some dominating level in the SF. In fact it was Musetti's own doing that he didn't take a set
Sport
G.O.A.T.
Novak's stats are better partially due to the fact that he had an undenniably easier draw. Djokovic is also a worse returner than Raz at this point of their career. I would say Alcaraz is arguably the best returner in the world right now, he broke Medvedev's serve more than Djokovic did with Musetti, depite the Russian being a significantly superior player than the Italian (obviously, Raz's match was longer, so that could be a factor as well).
Why do you call Raz "clay boy"? Just because he's Spaniard doesn't mean he's a clay specialist. His aggressive gamestyle is not typical of a clay court specialist, but rather of a universal player who also enjoys fast surfaces to hit winners and win with the row power of his shots. Raz has won 33% of his Slams on hard, 33% on clay and 33% on grass, perfectly even. And if he wins tomorrow, he would have more Slams on grass than clay, thus making him statistically better on grass than clay at the Slam level.
jl809
Legend
Alright long post, here goes
I have been consistent with this pick for the past 360+ days and absolutely nothing is changing it for me now: I am 100% predicting Djoker will win his 8th Wimbledon this year, at which point I will just leave the forum lol because cmon tennis gods
(I also seem to have been really big on Sinner winning the USO which in retrospect idk about..)
But.
Here’s my extra prediction: if Djoker is going to do this, it will most likely have to be by winning the first 2 sets
The way to take down Raz over Bo5 seems to be to benefit from the usual lapse he always has at some point in set 1 or 2 and then consolidating that to go 2-0 up. He will come back at you, but the effort of needing 3 sets in a row from that point without walkabouts is too much for him. He can’t handle that level of forced concentration for so long. This is how all of his “proper” slam losses since the start of 2022 have gone (Berry, Sinner, Zved, Med, Zved2)
If it goes to 5 or Alcaraz is 2-1 up after 3, he has just been so damn good at locking down in 5th sets (posted a thread about this yesterday), and I think if he repeats anything like this 5th set performance from the 2023 Wim final then Djoker is toast. But I’m not expecting he will (or that we will even get that far) because of how Djoker got in his head mentally in Cincy and then unlocked him with ease at the ATP F.
I think in the 2023 final as well, Alcaraz was freakishly good in terms of one of his weaknesses (he was very calm, patient and intelligent in rallies, far more than usual) and Djokovic was hilariously bad in terms of one of his (playing in wind, when he starts to resemble a club player at times). I don’t expect either of these to be replicated on Sunday: I think Djoker will serve better and Alcaraz will be less surprisingly mature
So Djoker in 4 for me. I can see any result tbh except Alcaraz in 3 but I am firmly picking Djoker to win
I have been consistent with this pick for the past 360+ days and absolutely nothing is changing it for me now: I am 100% predicting Djoker will win his 8th Wimbledon this year, at which point I will just leave the forum lol because cmon tennis gods
(I also seem to have been really big on Sinner winning the USO which in retrospect idk about..)
But.
Here’s my extra prediction: if Djoker is going to do this, it will most likely have to be by winning the first 2 sets
The way to take down Raz over Bo5 seems to be to benefit from the usual lapse he always has at some point in set 1 or 2 and then consolidating that to go 2-0 up. He will come back at you, but the effort of needing 3 sets in a row from that point without walkabouts is too much for him. He can’t handle that level of forced concentration for so long. This is how all of his “proper” slam losses since the start of 2022 have gone (Berry, Sinner, Zved, Med, Zved2)
If it goes to 5 or Alcaraz is 2-1 up after 3, he has just been so damn good at locking down in 5th sets (posted a thread about this yesterday), and I think if he repeats anything like this 5th set performance from the 2023 Wim final then Djoker is toast. But I’m not expecting he will (or that we will even get that far) because of how Djoker got in his head mentally in Cincy and then unlocked him with ease at the ATP F.
I think in the 2023 final as well, Alcaraz was freakishly good in terms of one of his weaknesses (he was very calm, patient and intelligent in rallies, far more than usual) and Djokovic was hilariously bad in terms of one of his (playing in wind, when he starts to resemble a club player at times). I don’t expect either of these to be replicated on Sunday: I think Djoker will serve better and Alcaraz will be less surprisingly mature
So Djoker in 4 for me. I can see any result tbh except Alcaraz in 3 but I am firmly picking Djoker to win
Dominic & Andrey
Legend
I'd argue that Carlos's level in the last sets against Paul especially left a stronger impression on me compared to his level from last year, but on average his current run is probably worse.
sortof
Professional
Last year I thought Wimbledon would be the best and last chance for Djokovic to win another slam - obviously I was wrong as after losing to the rat he went on to win the USO. This year Djokovic does it, he wins his last slam in Wimbledon - the reign of the big 3 began in Wimbledon and it is going to end here.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Please post link of last year's final. Thx.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Sampras 99 was a mismatch between two players skills
Grass suits Djokovic's game. Did you see how many times he went to net
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Can being the operative word here
Razer
G.O.A.T.
Only 3 outcomes can happen..... Alcaraz in 4 or Alcaraz in 5 or Novak in 4 ... the Novak in 4 option is the least possible outcome because we cannot fathom Novak winning even in 5, Alcaraz will take the match if it goes that long, Novak will have to win in 4 by overpowering Alcaraz or else it is over. This is probably the only match which does not favor Djokovic if it goes 5 sets.
Djokovic is the underdog now.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Alcaraz is a role model for all the young kids out there. He’s a physical beast and can go really long in matches. His stamina is unmatched by his peers at same age.
The rest of the young players need to learn from him and get physically stronger.
The rest of the young players need to learn from him and get physically stronger.
Razer
G.O.A.T.
Alcaraz will raise the level of the tour like Federer did 21 years ago. Youngsters who beat Alcaraz will have to be beasts themselves, so the level will be up. The 1990s gen actually lowered the level that the Big 3 had raised.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
He was as fit as any 18 year old when he came on tour
Either genetics
Or pure doing
Others don't need to learn from him anything. They have to go with their own path.
Rattie
Legend
Alcaraz after the Medvedev match:
«Honestly I have had better games. This season I have played better than today several times and at this same Wimbledon I have looked better. For example, against Tommy Paul, in the quarterfinals, I would say that my level of tennis was higher. My opponent's style also influenced me, the shots he made me play, but against Daniil I could have played better," Alcaraz acknowledged, while at the same time ensuring that he was not overly concerned: "I'm going to the final feeling good, I know how I can play."
“Against Daniil I knew that I could not enter into long exchanges, of more than 10 blows. "He had to vary the blows a lot and try to shorten the points so that he didn't feel comfortable,"
I'm looking forward to playing in the final. I already know what it's like to be in that position, I know how to deal with everything that's going to happen until I jump onto the court and I think I have the level to play," commented the now world number three who rejected the role of favorite despite having won last year in a five-set match for the ages and despite the Serbian's recent knee injury. This Friday he beat the Italian Lorenzo Musetti with the ease of his happiest days (6-4, 7-6 [3], 6-4). «I suppose there will be many people who believe that I have more options because Djokovic arrived at the tournament with doubts, but he is in the final because he is recovered. "He knows much better what it means to play in a Wimbledon final, he knows much better than me what it means to win it, so he is prepared than me,"
marc45
G.O.A.T.
LONDON -- The Princess of Wales is set to attend the Wimbledon men's final on Sunday in a rare public appearance after her cancer diagnosis.
Kensington Palace confirmed on Saturday that Kate, wife of heir to the throne Prince William, will be in the Royal Box on Centre Court to watch defending champion Carlos Alcaraz play Novak Djokovic.
Kensington Palace confirmed on Saturday that Kate, wife of heir to the throne Prince William, will be in the Royal Box on Centre Court to watch defending champion Carlos Alcaraz play Novak Djokovic.
roysid
Legend
Novak in 3 can also happen. Let's see tomorrow
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