Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
That I said it earlier today.Just thought: Alcaraz beat Djokovic by exactly the same score Djokovic beat Anderson back in 2018.
Wot it tells us?
Wimbledon 2024 Final - [2] Novak Djokovic (SRB) v/s [3] Carlos Alcaraz Garfia (SPN)
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Candide
Hall of Fame
This was Alcaraz's easiest match of the tournament by a fair margin. Djokovic should have saved himself for the Olympics. It takes a strong dose of delusion to be a great player but this evaporated, arguably, in game one. He looked despondent and panicked that early, kind of, "Oh ****, now I remember the mountain I have to climb to beat this kid and to hang with him in rallies." He was instantly deflated and hit the eject button in nearly every rally going for hail Mary shots and tightening up and over-finessing volleys. Having said that it was fun to watch Alcaraz stretch out a little and play and essentially play an exhibition match.
ghostofMecir
Legend
This post sums up the tennis knowledge that you have that you display with every one of your other posts lol
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
He was 3 sets from the title and doesn't appear to have injured himself any further by playing. It was absolutely the right decision even though he didn't get the result he wanted.
Look at how close Tiafoe was to knocking out Carlos back in the 1st week. If that 4th set breaker goes the other way, there's a very good chance Djokovic is the Wimbledon champion today.
ForehandCross
G.O.A.T.
Respected sir, If I was to dig up my posting history, I will end up finding 100 odd posts praising my tennis knowledge on this website. Of which given I remember your username, 5-6 will be from you. If TTW had better internal search I would have pasted it here too. Just because I am talking negatively of your beloved Fed, doesn't mean I am not right.
I have not watched much tennis for more than an year and was of the opinion that its the same Djokovic that he has always been. Even last year he pushed himself and put himself in the match again and again despite being outplayed. He has begun showing his age and if you actually go through my other posts , it was extremely weird for me to see that after having no context of his current form.
grandefrankie
Semi-Pro
It wasn't the right choice since he could have aggravated the injury. He didn't but was lucky. And was never likely to win so soon after surgery. The fact he got a cakewalk (rigged) draw and still came nowhere close to winning considering the final was a blowout, shows that. Had he been in the other half he goes out around the quarters, and possibly reinjures himself. It was probably only the cakewalk draw that prevented reaggravating the injury.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Djokovic is in Federer's position from 2015. A younger, hungrier guy wanting to take his soul on the court and dominate him.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Most times, tournaments don't start until the Semifinals. Sometimes not even till the final. You can breeze through the first 6 rounds with a joke draw and then see your worst nightmare standing across from you... like a prime Nadal in the RG final.
In this case, seeing what transpired in today's final, it's as if Djokovic played his 2011 version.
Rosstour
Talk Tennis Guru
He almost won when Carlos choked
Don't think we understand how dangerous that moment was, most other players would have given up that third set after the 40-0 game and then Djokovic is in his element
Think he would have done much better against Sinner
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
You didn't watch any tennis the past year? This has been a changing of the guard season. It's been a lot of fun. Finally seeing the new gen produce real fighters. Even Medvedev surprised people at Wimbledon this year.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Sinner losing the third set at AO against Djoker didn't deter him any. It was back to business in the 4th. He didn't wilt even after losing those match points.
Rosstour
Talk Tennis Guru
i said most not all lol
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Spain is producing surprisingly great grass courters. Nadal wasn't expected to become so strong on grass...at least not as quickly as he did. Now you got Alcaraz who became a grass monster basically overnight. It's incredible really.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Carlos moves better and is faster and more nimble than Sinner right now. Very smooth mover on grass.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Everyone thought the optimal height for tennis was 6'1 to 6'2 (Nadal Federer Djokovic Sampras) but seems that 5'11 to 6 foot is no less... provided you have a wide arsenal, speed, court IQ and resilience. He's dissecting and burying these monsters all round him. His movement and speed is like a lightweight but with superheavyweight power.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
question that Remain is ,, if Sinner played Alcarez in the Semifinals instead of meddie,,, would Alcarez still be the Champion ?? 
I am just being realistic, it happened to Roger, it happed to Nadal, no reason to think it won't happen to him. He was winning at a higher rate too rather than stretching it like Fed. It has to have its cost. And 37 is about when he should start feeling it.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
They've come a long way since Manuel Santana and Conchita Martinez both dismissed grass as fit only for cows and then both promptly won Wimbledon (only Slam in Martinez's case).
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Great minds........?
Pheasant
Legend
Alcaraz has an extremely lively arm for his size. It’s a cannon. He can serve in the high-130s. He smashed a 106 mph forehand in the final yesterday. What’s scary is that Alcaraz’s serve will only get better. His placement still isn’t very good. But he’s only 21.
Here’s a sobering stat as well. Djoker got 70% of his first serves in. Alcaraz only got 59% of them in. Alcaraz also had more double faults than aces, including one during that 40-0 game when he was serving for the match. Despite that, he won 50% more return points than Djoker did(42-28 margin).
This dude is very dangerous. And I doubt that he’s peaked yet. Scary stuff.
Here’s a sobering stat as well. Djoker got 70% of his first serves in. Alcaraz only got 59% of them in. Alcaraz also had more double faults than aces, including one during that 40-0 game when he was serving for the match. Despite that, he won 50% more return points than Djoker did(42-28 margin).
This dude is very dangerous. And I doubt that he’s peaked yet. Scary stuff.
Subway Tennis
G.O.A.T.
I think we’ve all probably rewatched the match at least once by now.
On rewatch, I still can’t get over how much control Alcaraz had over the whole match and how untroubled he ended up being on serve. Alcaraz had that one absurd self-imposed brain fart serving for the match and apart from that there was nothing. I expected him to have way more issues there.
He just put Djokovic in a hold on serve and return and didn’t let up. Very rare to see a big match player like Djokovic almost become invisible in such a huge final.
Djokovic wasn’t thrashed by any means, but he was just completely boxed in and controlled.
Only 5 different players have straight-setted Djokovic in a major final to my knowledge. Nadal, Federer, Medvedev, Murray and now Alcaraz.
The post Big 3 era has created these monsters in Sinner and Alcaraz. Twin totems. Forget about Big 3 consistency. Hard to see any generation doing that again. But Sinner and Alcaraz when they are at their best just leave scorched earth. Unbelievable the levels these guys are capable of.
On rewatch, I still can’t get over how much control Alcaraz had over the whole match and how untroubled he ended up being on serve. Alcaraz had that one absurd self-imposed brain fart serving for the match and apart from that there was nothing. I expected him to have way more issues there.
He just put Djokovic in a hold on serve and return and didn’t let up. Very rare to see a big match player like Djokovic almost become invisible in such a huge final.
Djokovic wasn’t thrashed by any means, but he was just completely boxed in and controlled.
Only 5 different players have straight-setted Djokovic in a major final to my knowledge. Nadal, Federer, Medvedev, Murray and now Alcaraz.
The post Big 3 era has created these monsters in Sinner and Alcaraz. Twin totems. Forget about Big 3 consistency. Hard to see any generation doing that again. But Sinner and Alcaraz when they are at their best just leave scorched earth. Unbelievable the levels these guys are capable of.
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Deleted member 810491
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Yeah I've constantly been saying that Alcaraz hasn't reached his prime yet, its very true.
Especially on hardcourt which I think he'll absolutely dominate in future.
Also he hasn't even been consistently healthy, so we'll see what happens when he is!
He plays on instinct a lot, so his shot-selection is a bit messy at times, and he'll become more tactical with age.
Rattie
Legend
Somehow the nerves Alcaraz was suffering at the start of the last four matches, which helped in costing him the opening set each time were far more under control. It’s almost as though he got used to that feeling and shrugged it off.
He mentioned later that he was most pleased about his level of concentration in the final. Gone were the ups and down we have become accustomed to; he stayed focussed from start to finish apart from when he held 3 championship points. Even then he immediately refocused and took the tie break rather than what many would have done and gone on to lose the third set. He even smiled at 6-4 in the TB!
His speed was incredible and he actually made Djokovic look slow. I haven’t really watched much of Djokovic’s matches but what I did see in them didn’t make me think he looked slow. He didn’t look slow against Musetti. Was this because his knee was more of a factor or because he hadn’t faced anyone in the top 10 who was a real challenge?
He mentioned later that he was most pleased about his level of concentration in the final. Gone were the ups and down we have become accustomed to; he stayed focussed from start to finish apart from when he held 3 championship points. Even then he immediately refocused and took the tie break rather than what many would have done and gone on to lose the third set. He even smiled at 6-4 in the TB!
His speed was incredible and he actually made Djokovic look slow. I haven’t really watched much of Djokovic’s matches but what I did see in them didn’t make me think he looked slow. He didn’t look slow against Musetti. Was this because his knee was more of a factor or because he hadn’t faced anyone in the top 10 who was a real challenge?
Nappa
Professional
there we go again
objection_
Semi-Pro
Rattie
Legend
He’s now second in the race and only 250 points behind Sinner.
Maybe I know more than you
or you are just a blind Federer f a n b o y.Can you please tell which one of my points is not true?
Hahhaha It IS not my fault if you are blind.Who faced Federer before Nadal? RODDICK??HEWITT??haha. Even Young Nadal almost beat him in 2007 WB and made It in 2008.Not saying Federer is not great, but It IS absurd to deny that Alcaraz's peak level IS higher than Federer's
Nappa
Professional
Sinner defends 1000 atp points in Canada, if he exits early and Carlos makes a deep run I think they can be even by the time they step in NY
Subway Tennis
G.O.A.T.
Pheasant
Legend
His movement on grass is special. It’s as though he’s played soccer his entire life, when looking at how well he runs on that surface. His serves have improved a lot. But they still have a lot of room to grow. He will get more accurate. And his overall ground game will become more consistent as well.
dking68
G.O.A.T.
Sinner is a league ahead on hard courts
Subway Tennis
G.O.A.T.
Have you heard anything official about where Sinner will begin his North American hard court campaign this year?
I’m assuming he will start in Canada to defend the M1000 title?
Novak didn't even have a negative w:ue ratio. Interesting.
dking68
G.O.A.T.
I’m hoping Sinner doesn’t play the Olympics
Subway Tennis
G.O.A.T.
Do you think he will play OGs? He is breaking all these records of Italian tennis and breaking new milestones. I think he might want to become the first gold or silver medallist for Italy in men’s tennis.
If there are any kind of lingering viral or energy problems from Wimbledon he should withdraw for sure and address that. He looked like a ghost in that match against Medvedev. Very scary situation.
dking68
G.O.A.T.
Problem is this is his first season as a TOP player. So he needs to cut down the events as he’s likely to make the SF or better when he’s playing his best tennis. I think he should skip the Olympics, try to win one of Montreal/Cincinnati and go into the USO with maximum confidence
tennis4me
Hall of Fame
Some good post-match analysis by NYT
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5636272/2024/07/14/carlos-alcaraz-novak-djokovic-wimbledon-final/
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5636272/2024/07/14/carlos-alcaraz-novak-djokovic-wimbledon-final/
tennis4me
Hall of Fame
A few glaring numbers from the stats are:
- How much higher Alcaraz's total Winners
- The number of BP opportunities for Alcaraz (14 vs 3!)
- 1st serve points won (84% vs 66%). This is very significant considering how accurate Djokovic's serve normally is and how much that helps winning the point after. Djokovic was not serving as well and Carlos was returning much better than usual.
- Lastly, despite Djokovic having a much better 1st serve percentage (70 vs 59), he won only 66% (vs Alcaraz's 84%)!
Alcaraz's serve improvement was a big factor to this straight set win.
- How much higher Alcaraz's total Winners
- The number of BP opportunities for Alcaraz (14 vs 3!)
- 1st serve points won (84% vs 66%). This is very significant considering how accurate Djokovic's serve normally is and how much that helps winning the point after. Djokovic was not serving as well and Carlos was returning much better than usual.
- Lastly, despite Djokovic having a much better 1st serve percentage (70 vs 59), he won only 66% (vs Alcaraz's 84%)!
Alcaraz's serve improvement was a big factor to this straight set win.
Alcaraz I hope wins the USO. I think he can but the onus is on Sinner to make it 2-2 this year.
Rattie
Legend
Unfortunately it’s behind a paywall.
Rattie
Legend
He is in the Olympic team which has now been declared. The only hard court event before Canada M1000 clashes with the OG.
Wish someone would post that drive volley forehand cc pass. Bonkers.
Hits home. Cancer sucks. ******* of a disease.
Bro Eureka is that you?Yes I, Carlitos! Flying high, catching dreams, making a lot of folks smile. I and I.
Some resulting facts I like:
The kid is joy and dynamite. Yes I!
- Joining Borg/Becker/Wilander as players to win 4 slams aged 21 or younger.
- Winner of 3 of last 5 slams.
- Joining Laver, Borg, Nadal, Federer and Djokovic as players to win the FO and Wimbledon back to back.
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