Both with conventional footwork and with the slides, moves like he's only ever known grass all life long.
Wimbledon 2024 Final - [2] Novak Djokovic (SRB) v/s [3] Carlos Alcaraz Garfia (SPN)
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Absolutely. Ugo truly played the highest level of grass Tennis Alcaraz could have possibly played.question that Remain is ,, if Sinner played Alcarez in the Semifinals instead of meddie,,, would Alcarez still be the Champion ??
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
what does Ugo Humbert have to do with this ?
Exactly what Jarry had to do with Alcaraz last year. In round 2 last year and round 4 this year, Alcaraz faced opponents who peaked so significantly high that it made his subsequent matches a little easier to deal with.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Agree with you on this. Insanely tough draw Alcarez had really helped him vs easy cake walk matches hurt novak. That 5 setter with Tiafoe, foe was playing one of the best tennis of his life and yet he lost in 5 sets, poor guy
speedysteve
Legend
We're watching the final again
Can relax into it and enjoy it fully, knowing the result.
I don't think this version of Djokovic beats de Minaur, had de Min been able to play!
The latter had a good grass run until the injury.
It's also clearer to me how slow Djokovic is, and how he's protecting the still convalescing injury.. coming forward so much, out of his comfort zone..
Easy prey really.
Had Djokovic had Alcaraz's draw, he would not have been near the final.
Can relax into it and enjoy it fully, knowing the result.
I don't think this version of Djokovic beats de Minaur, had de Min been able to play!
The latter had a good grass run until the injury.
It's also clearer to me how slow Djokovic is, and how he's protecting the still convalescing injury.. coming forward so much, out of his comfort zone..
Easy prey really.
Had Djokovic had Alcaraz's draw, he would not have been near the final.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Sinner before this year didn’t do much. We wouldn’t be talking about sinner. He makes a run in australia beating novak and then med in the final after being down two sets. I think it’s early to say if he can be a consistent player. He needs to work on his legs.
Yes but he is what? 71-9 since last Wimbledon? That alone deserves respect and he's a deserving number 1. No one knows the future of course, but his historical best part of the year is just beginning.
SeeingDusk
Hall of Fame
But Nole took a set
Federev
G.O.A.T.
True!But Nole took a set
If that Nole has showed up two sets earlier I really think he might have won.
But that guy for the first two sets was totally unrecognizable to me. A shell. He must have been really sick or something.
Topspin_80
Hall of Fame
And youngest ever to win on all 3 surfaces, which is quite an achievement!Yes I, Carlitos! Flying high, catching dreams, making a lot of folks smile. I and I.
Some resulting facts I like:
The kid is joy and dynamite. Yes I!
- Joining Borg/Becker/Wilander as players to win 4 slams aged 21 or younger.
- Winner of 3 of last 5 slams.
- Joining Laver, Borg, Nadal, Federer and Djokovic as players to win the FO and Wimbledon back to back.
Sinner's currently still 250 points ahead in the race. Very small margin, but you kinda gotta favor the Italian to pick up more points in the second half of the season, seeing as it's all hard courts and a decent chunk indoors. (I mean, I know the Olympics are clay, but those don't offer points anyway and will probably only lower the possibility of Alcaraz accumulating more than Sinner at Canada or Cincy.) Still – the race is on. Excited to see who finishes 2024 on top.
Topspin_80
Hall of Fame
3-1 looks better though.
Got a feeling he'll win the USO. Maybe too much of an expectation but it's okay, one can expect such things from that talent.
Olli Jokinen
Hall of Fame
Soccer and tennis on gras are in no way the same thing. Have you ever seen soccer boots? Or played tennis on grass?
dking68
Legend
I favor Sinner. I got him for the USO and sweeping the indoor season
dking68
Legend
Sinner plays better in this half of the season. Sinner will be Year end #1
tennis4me
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Nappa
Semi-Pro
Lets hope they get there seeded 1 and 2
Federev
G.O.A.T.
I think a lot of the answer to yesterday is to consider last year’s match.
Last year Novak was in good form but not near his peak and he was a couple of points from beating Carlos.
Carlos had a better serve today, but otherwise he’s not dramatically different from last year.
The big difference is Novak. He really showed his age and he gave Alcaraz balls to thrash that he wasn’t giving him last year. Heck - he beat a great in from Carlos a few weeks later at Cincy in a thriller.
This year Tiafoe almost took Carlos out. 2 points away.
The prevailing issue is Novak’s decline. He is much different this year. No titles, no top 10 wins, and his first final was yesterday for the whole year.
Near 38 year old Fed outplayed and almost beat Novak from five years ago. I don’t think peak Fed would have lost to either of them last year or this year. He’d faced better servers and he’d never feed Carlos the stuff ancient Novak was yesterday.
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robyrolfo
Hall of Fame
Finally finished watching the match, and it was an impressive performance by Alcaraz. Likewise, it was a very unimpressive performance from Djokovic. Especially at net with the volleys, Djokovic just completely lost his head.
Sort of felt like the AO semi with a bad Djokovic against Sinner, but of course Alcaraz plays a more spectacular style, so it seemed more impressive in some ways.
That said, I don't ever remember seeing Alcaraz serve so well. That was huge for him, and I wonder if he can serve like that consistently (because he hasn't in the past). Also, in general, you have to wonder if he will maintain this level, because people seem quick to forget he certainly came down a notch after Wimbledon last year, not really returning until the Sunshine Swing this year.
Lastly, on a personal note, I'm still not getting why people love Alcaraz's personality so much. Still comes off as too arrogant for me, and if his smile suddenly disappears as soon as he faces adversity, that tells you something...
Sort of felt like the AO semi with a bad Djokovic against Sinner, but of course Alcaraz plays a more spectacular style, so it seemed more impressive in some ways.
That said, I don't ever remember seeing Alcaraz serve so well. That was huge for him, and I wonder if he can serve like that consistently (because he hasn't in the past). Also, in general, you have to wonder if he will maintain this level, because people seem quick to forget he certainly came down a notch after Wimbledon last year, not really returning until the Sunshine Swing this year.
Lastly, on a personal note, I'm still not getting why people love Alcaraz's personality so much. Still comes off as too arrogant for me, and if his smile suddenly disappears as soon as he faces adversity, that tells you something...
Of course Alcaraz moves better than Sinner in most regards (Sinner's balance is on par with Alcaraz's, though), just look at how tall Sinner is. Beyond a certain height, extra inches or cms become a hindrance.
Huh? You think he got to #1 in the rankings without doing much? He was thoroughly dominant in the latter part of the season, and he is the one that stopped Djokovic's momentum, first at the ATP finals (even if he lost the final), and then at the Davis Cup followed by the AO.
Rattie
Legend
Cba sorry
Subway Tennis
Legend
Agree. Wimbledon 2024 is hopefully the last major for a long time where we have this craps where they can be in the same half of the draw. It’s stupid.
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Subway Tennis
Legend
You’re right Rattie. It looks pretty set in stone to me. Olympics and then Canada. I think the men’s Canada Masters is in Montreal this year.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Will Medvedev play spoiler again? He's had good results at Wimbledon and USO. Plus there's Zverev who also did well on clay and looked strong on grass till the knee issue. He and Med both could be strong at USO and create some upsets. Might be a big 5 during this upcoming hardcourt season!
Subway Tennis
Legend
Medvedev and Zverev will be deadly during the NA HC season. Probably a big 6 once you factor in a rampaging Djokovic who will be fully recovered from knee surgery by that time and quite possibly a newly minted Olympic Good Medallist and Rune the brat taking out big names left right and centre but falling just before the QFs.
Vincent-C
Legend
Yes, I also think Meddy in particular will be dashing a few more dreams..
Unless he puts more value to the Olympics than to USO. 4 Slams per year vs. 1 OG in 4 years. But of course he is not fully recovered from whatever bugged him durning Wimbledon than he should pull out of the Olympics.
It was a theoretical problem only at Wimbledon.
Daniel Andrade
Hall of Fame
Let's all agree the real moral winner of this championship was Tiafoe.
You actually can and not sound ridiculous this time. My bet is Carlos for USO. It's his most reliable Slam after the indoor grassfest we call the Wimbledon.
Sinner is almost an equally good bet so fair fks. Plus 5-1 slams would be pleasant personally.
acintya
Legend
I think Djoko would be better off if he would skip Wimbledon. Second place means absolutely nothing to him -
maybe he intentionally wanted to be beaten to awake the Ultron 2.0.
I really dont know whats next for Djoko. Kids and age made him softer&weaker and I dont know how he will handle that 1-2 from Alcaraz in the future.
It seems the only thing Carlitos needs to do is to get 65-70% of first serves in.
On the other side...Novak is maybe the only guy who can be a Wimbledon finalist some weeks after a surgery. He is really a robot..but,with kids.
Waiting for Wimbledon round 3 between those two.
maybe he intentionally wanted to be beaten to awake the Ultron 2.0.
I really dont know whats next for Djoko. Kids and age made him softer&weaker and I dont know how he will handle that 1-2 from Alcaraz in the future.
It seems the only thing Carlitos needs to do is to get 65-70% of first serves in.
On the other side...Novak is maybe the only guy who can be a Wimbledon finalist some weeks after a surgery. He is really a robot..but,with kids.
Waiting for Wimbledon round 3 between those two.
Wimbledon 2019 was the last final for Federer at 37. This final may well be the last one for Djokovic. He had brilliant 2023 and was the oldest ever to win both FO and USO. But at this age it was bound to take its toll. And it won't be getting any easier. He will try to play both OG and the USO, and will have a mountain to climb in terms of fitness once the season ends. Lets not forget that he basically was sitting out the 2022 so was fresh. I see no reason to expect that the same fading that happened to players before him won't happen to him as well. This is how sports work generally. He may get a lucky draw or withdrawal of main rivals but they can be others who will start smelling blood and stop giving him respect. Because they are all younger than him.
He is not a robot. He only had meniscus. Depending of where exactly it is it may not be such a big deal. In many cases no surgery is required at all and only pro athletes are offered it to get rid of discomfort in the shortest term. Meniscus cannot be stitched together, the surgery is a simple trip of cartilage to prevent "catching" and recovery is straightforward most of the time.
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
Sorry how was novak a couple of points from beating Carlitos last year? If anything he was a couple of points of winning the second set, which is different, and Carlos played plain better in the 5th, the difference is that this year Carlos went out there ready to play his best tennis from point one, which the first Game of the match proved, whereas last year he lost first set 6-1 because inexperience and first wimbledon final
Nappa
Semi-Pro
The back luck he had at RG that year was also in his mind in the final of WB23. Had he not cramped he most probably would have beaten Djokovic at the Chatrier as well and would have gained confidence and win WB with more ease that year.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Lol
Best grass courter in the world fr. An all surface beast some might say.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Lmao cricket boy , weak competition doesn't mean anything when it's a match against the real deal.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Djokovic played absolute bums and one less match and then this clown is comparing number of broken serves for them before the finals lmao
Such offensive, beautifully versatile grass Tennis. It's not an insult but it's amusing to see him be called a clay-boy just because Rafa is from that country. Imagine Stricker being called a grass boy.
But tbf Alcaraz also is the reigning RG champion so there's that.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
I mean did you even look at his reasoning?dude is comparing serve broken by mugs to serve broken by loaded half players and then declaring a winner. Anyway Djokovic has been exposed big time his grass game has been a vulture job in absence of prime Fedal and Carlos exposed him ,now he's Carlos lil bum
Tallawah Tennis
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dking68
Legend
I go with Sinner. Think the ATP finals is his, and I see him winning the USO.
Oh not this. It's from the game he broke Nole in set 3. Just a drive volley pass from the baseline haha
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
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RS
Bionic Poster
Spot on prediction from you
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