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Wimbledon - Boring without Nadal
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Clarky21
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primetennis
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no it isn't..i was saying watching the sport bcoz of sum1 as a choice is okay..upto them..but labelling a grandslam boring altogether just bcoz sum1 lost is just insane!!
you are talking about one of the greatest writers of human history. stop talking nonsense.
Clarky21
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Clarky21
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It's still a contradiction. And it's a person's choice if they want to watch a certain tournament or not,so what's your point?
except that 6 consecutive wimbledon finals would not be a record. and you are counting on nadal winning the olympics in 2016? are you ********?
please, dont be silly. do you realize that the guy, named david foster wallace, wrote more than just articles on federer? do you even know who he is? this is not about federer, this is about respect.
dudeski
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Clarky21 is the biggest troll around here since jackson vile. Everyone will save a lot of their valuable time just completely ignoring her. She intentionally makes no logical sense in everything she says. Arguing with her is completely hopeless because she will never admit that she is wrong.
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No it's not. Tennis is not boring without your favourite player. You are a player fan and not a tennis fan. So get the f out, instead of blaming it on tennis. The fan of the person is the boring one, not the sport of tennis.
Clarky21
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Ok,so Fed fans who say they will stop watching tennis altogether when he retires aren't doing exactly what you describe here?
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They are not fans of the game, no. The game will live on without Federer. It's not like tennis will be boring. Unless they have a reason to criticize tennis in general. I for one, will not stop watching, but think the game could do with more quick courts and attacking all court or S&V games. That's criticism of the game. This might make me stop watching if Federer retires, but that would make me no fan of current game of tennis, which i indeed might not be. That's mostly my fault though.
lol @ Nadal being "exciting to watch", no he is not, he is boring. As for Wimby, its been fun, Tsonga Muzzah and Fed Djoker have the potential to be great and a brit in the final would be amzing, even Jo in the final would be really nice. And today the 2nd set of Williams Vika was even for me very good (and I don't often say that about the womens game today)
BreakPoint
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That's because Federer is only one of a few left that is still playing real tennis. Most of the other pros I have no idea what they are doing on the court but it certainly isn't tennis.
alex_phan_84
New User
Boring... don't think so. I felt asleep when I was watching Nadal in Centre Court first round because of his defensive style...
reversef
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And what is real tennis? The one that was played at the end of the 19th century? That must be real tennis, I guess, it's how it was supposed to be played!
Or is it the one of the 60's, 70's? On grass? Or is real tennis the one that was played at the FO between Borg and Vilas? Or between Vilas and Wilander? Or the serve fests you watched in the nineties involving Sampras/Ivanisevic/Becker/Krajicek? Is real tennis the way Chang won his first and only slam?
Diversity is everything in tennis. That's what makes tennis great. It's funny that the posters who want more diversity are the ones who refuse to take into consideration the styles that are not their favourites. What Nadal gives you is a pretty unique style. You can say he's closer to this or that, but he's sui generis. And because of that, he's a major contribution to the game. And a fascinating player. And his style is very attractive for many people. Maybe it's something you can't understand. A lack of tennis perspective, I guess.
namelessone
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Exactly.
People don't seem to realize that we are watching a fake version of the game.
JustBob
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Then don't watch. Or alternatively, watch this, you'll recognize some of the behavioral patterns which make Nadal so exciting to watch:
Then don't watch. Or alternatively, watch this, you'll recognize some of the behavioral patterns which make Nadal so exciting to watch:
Hahaha Nadal reminds me of the big Indian guy that throws the drinking fountain through the window
kishnabe
Talk Tennis Guru
Obviously.....Nadal gone means chances for Agressive Tennis players to win which is way more enjoyable than the brand of tennis Nadal, Murray produce.
billnepill
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Expect to be bored until clay next year lolZzz
The Game Of Thrones is boring.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Real tennis is when the ENTIRE court is used.
You only have to look at the worn out grass around the baseline in the 2nd week of Wimbledon to know that real tennis is now rarely played.
zagor
Bionic Poster
Federer played mostly from the baseline at Wimbledon ever since 2004.
10is
Professional
Breakpoint was alluding to using the "whole" court and Federer still does this immeasurably more than most players (even now in his dotage, case in point being Madrid) -- and he still S&Ved quite a bit in 2004. Federer, in his prime, had the best transition game bar none. He still S&Ved often and only started baselining "relatively" more frequently because he rarely ever needed S&V tactis to defeat his opponents, most (if not all) of whom were baseliners. From 2002 onwards, with the slowing of courts, and the prominent use next-gen poly strings etc baseline players like Hewitt and Safin had already started successfully demonstrating the ineffectiveness of the S&V strategy.
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TheTruth
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Great points.
I don't understand people who think that only one style of player plays the "right way."
What many of these people fail to realize is that's why Rafa immediately became so popular when he first came on the scene. He shook up the tried and true establishment and offered those of us who respect uniqueness and diversity a creative outlet.
I have a wide assortment of friends from one end of the spectrum to the other, because I respect diversity of thought, culture, and religious affiliations. I find it fascinating how we all think different and act accordingly. That just gives me new experiences that help to broaden me.
I can't imagine being so closed off, or "particular" that only one thing pleases my fastidious tastes. You miss out on so many new and rich experiences.
I am silk, cotton, denim, wool, and linen. Each serves a particular purpose and fit in with my eclectic lifestyle. I can't imagine life any other way.
Then again, tradition doesn't appeal to me greatly, since rather than conjuring up images of prestige and the upper class, it comes off as snobby, pretentious, and inflexible.
That said, I marvel at how people can only appreciate one type of thing. I find that fascinating as well.
End of rant.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Exactly. Federer doesn't get to the net these days much more than anyone else.
Uhm, he doesn't get to net a lot, but he has S&V'd 44 times this tournament, to Novak's 11. That's both ridiculously little, but still 4 times as many! And that's only S&V. Roger clearly doesn't get to net easily, because of the circumstances, but I'm pretty sure at least AT THIS STAGE of his career he'd like it to play more like 2000. Roger would stand a good chance with S&V on the first.
Not a rant, great post. I dislike Nadal because he now seems to be what all players are. Slow, baseline grinders, making all returns, making little mistakes, bashing from behind the baseline. But I understand that Rafa was the rebellion when he was younger and indeed offered something different. His weak serve, his quick feet, his crazy forehand, his open stance on the BH, they were very new.I just think tennis heads the wrong way, only focusing on what 1 most attractive way of tennis is and favouring that style by slowing down courts at all cost. In the end, they'll see that it doesn't work either.
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
Thanks.
I like seeing the evolution of tennis. I can't imagine watching the old style of play anymore. It looks so slow and unevolved. I tried to watch Laver play some guy on ESPN Classics and almost died. Five minutes was all I could take. Old footage of Evert and Martina? Spare me. Today's speed and athleticism are to die for.
I must admit that I do enjoy Federer and Nadal matches because of the contrast of styles. There is magic in those matches and no other rivalry approaches the same kind of intensity that those two bring when something valuable is on the line.
JustBob
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That's a terribly silly "fanboyish" statement. It's even sillier when you consider that Tsonga is one of the most entertaining players to watch.
Atherton2003
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Where is Monfils? He is entertaining to watch.
Atherton2003
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Murray is about the least entertaining to watch.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Did you see the Federer-Raonic match at Madrid this year?
How many times A YEAR does Nadal serve and volley or return and volley?
Atherton2003
Hall of Fame
For those who have no interest in the Final of Wimbledon..you can always pop in the 2008 men's Final between Nadal/Federer....that was the most exciting tennis match I ever saw...nothing compares to that rivalry.
Tennis_Hands
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It would have been a great post, if she believed in what she writes. And if she believes in what she writes, there is no a SINGLE reason, why she wouldn't like Federer at least as much as Nadal. He is more versatile and rounded player than Nadal overall. And she subscribes to diversity as her bread and butter.
Let us be honest here. What she writes is not BS, because diversity is a bad thing. What she writes is a BS, because it is a hypocracy, aimed to picture her as open minded, in an effort to fit her crush for Nadal as part of the said diversity, without coming across as feminine ******* of the worse kind, that she is.
I am laughing my ass out, reading, how Nadal was a rebellion in the tennis world. This is a myth, that *******s are fueling in order to receive acknowledgment and give them cofidence to defend their crush for Nadal. He was/is part of the establishment ever since he stepped on court for the first time. He benefitted largely from the said establishment, just like everry other player on tour (actually, because of his high profile he benefitted more than the supermajority :roll: of the players) and throughout his career he pushed :lol: for even more advantages. Agassi was a rebellion, Nadal is as traditional as it gets. Another laughing is on its way, when people perceive him as a rebel, because of his "pirate" look, that was an image, created by the Nike's marketing specialists. Again, the real deal in that regard was Moya.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
I miss Nadal, but he's out, and that's that.
Lsmkenpo
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Funny, how do you feel about the Romany people again?
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Nope. Nadal has been the most exciting player in tennis for many years.
Lsmkenpo
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