Wimbledon is gonna be sinners playground not carlos’

NeutralFan said:
Yeah barely beat him on his favourite surfaces and tournament where Sinner is weakest. Look at Sinner's winning streak this year.
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A) Clay is not Carlos's favorite surface, he likes high-bouncing HC better.

B) Sinner lost to him this very year on HC, on top of losing to a teen Carlos on HC at the 2022 USO. Carlos has got a positive H2H vs him in both GS (2-1) and M1000 (3-1).

C) Keep all the winning streaks. 3 majors > 1 major 5 M1000 > 2 M1000
 
Hawaiian grip said:
A) Clay is not Carlos's favorite surface, he likes high-bouncing HC better.

B) Sinner lost to him this very year on HC, on top of losing to a teen Carlos on HC at the 2022 USO.

C) Keep all the winning streaks. 3 majors > 1 major 5 M1000 > 2 M1000
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A) this was Sinner's first year in his prime

b) he played like crap on his weakest surface ( injury derailed his invincible form) yet he took him to 5 , that speaks volumes

c) Sinner is a lock to beat Carlos at Wimbledon ( leven pre prime Sinner schooled him in grass)

D) get back to me when Alcaraz beat Sinner in HC or grass GS)
 
NeutralFan said:
A) this was Sinner's first year in his prime

b) he played like crap on his weakest surface ( injury derailed his invincible form) yet he took him to 5 , that speaks volumes

c) Sinner is a lock to beat Carlos at Wimbledon ( leven pre prime Sinner schooled him in grass)

D) get back to me when Alcaraz beat Sinner in HC or grass GS)
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Weak.

A) Carlos is two years younger. Disadvantaged from the very beginning.

B) Excuses. A match is a match, and Sinner still lost despite Carlos playing like crap for half the match and cramping in the third.

C) LOL. 2022 Alcaraz wasn't half the grasscourter he was last year. He beat the guy that DEMOLISHED Sinner in the SF. It takes a lot of shamelessness to say Sinner is better in grass than Alcaraz because of what happened in 2022. You got nothing else to hang your hat onto, right?

D) First thing already happened. You should tell your guy not to wait until he's 23 y.o. to figure it out.

I'll lay it out for you again:

Two years younger, yet

2 more GS, slams in every surface
3 more M1000, won on both HC and clay
YE#1

Again, DEAL WITH IT.
 
NeutralFan said:
Not really, I am more convinced in his abilities after FO. On his weakest surface where everyone wrote him off he thrived even though he didn't play his best , could have won as well. If he doesn't beat Alcaraz at Wimbledon I'll stop keeping faith in him.
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Everyone wrote him off huh? Sure sure.

Also you shouldn't be that reactionary. If he doesn't beat Raz this time at Wimbledon, then he'll best him again on some other occasion. Chill.
 
FeroBango said:
Everyone wrote him off huh? Sure sure.

Also you shouldn't be that reactionary. If he doesn't beat Raz this time at Wimbledon, then he'll best him again on some other occasion. Chill.
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That's the problem with these Sinner radicals —they can't wait for the guy to prove it, they have to go around running their mouth about players that have so far outclassed Sinner. Good thing the guy is way more humble than his fans and will keep on working, but gosh, are theiy insufferable...
 
TheSlicer said:
Carlitos played perfectly fine on 2022 given the circumstances, "barely got past stuff" "Lucky to get to 4r" how was he Lucky? He beat griekspoor in straights playing great and otte Who had just won a grass tournament, struff was a super tricky first found on the surface and a super Young Carlitos managed It being super clutch, i dont know how you could expect more
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Otte didn't win a grass tournament. He's yet to win an ATP title.
 
Hawaiian grip said:
That's the problem with these Sinner radicals —they can't wait for the guy to prove it, they have to go around running their mouth about players that have so far outclassed Sinner. Good thing the guy is way more humble than his fans and will keep on working, but gosh, are theiy insufferable...
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You’re not exactly a great representative of Alcaraz fans, either. You come off as very obnoxious. Have a bit of self-awareness, please.
 
mike danny said:
While Sinner has proven to be a problematic match-up for Alcaraz, people are forgetting that Alcaraz has still won their most prolific matches: USO 2022 QF and RG 2024 SF.

So unless Sinner responds and takes out Carlos in a big match, we can't yet call it a proper rivalry.
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I think he beats him on the lawns next month and gives Carlos his first loss in a major final
 
Hawaiian grip said:
Excuse me, you're...? We have never interacted, as far as I remember. I'm obnoxious to silly fanboys, yeah. Don't behave like one and you won't get the treatment. In other words –have a bit of "mind your own business".
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It’s a free and open discussion. I’ll reply and quote whoever I like, thanks.
 
TheSlicer said:
Carlitos played perfectly fine on 2022 given the circumstances, "barely got past stuff" "Lucky to get to 4r" how was he Lucky? He beat griekspoor in straights playing great and otte Who had just won a grass tournament, struff was a super tricky first found on the surface and a super Young Carlitos managed It being super clutch, i dont know how you could expect more
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I often say that his match against Otte was one of the best matches of his entire career.
 
@mike danny Anything less than a win for sinner is disappointing. He needs the win more

Think he has a much better serve-return combo than Carlos and can do more damage with his flat hard hitting groundstrokes and should prevail in 4 sets. The mere fact that Sinner won more points off of Carlos serve on his worst surface than Carlos won off Sinners while serving in my opinion terribly gives me confidence Sinner is going to defeat him handily on the lawns. And also won more total points won.
 
dking68 said:
@mike danny Anything less than a win for sinner is disappointing. He needs the win more

Think he has a much better serve-return combo than Carlos and can do more damage with his flat hard hitting groundstrokes and should prevail in 4 sets. The mere fact that Sinner won more points off of Carlos serve on his worst surface than Carlos won off Sinners while serving in my opinion terribly gives me confidence Sinner is going to defeat him handily on the lawns. And also won more total points won.
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He also had a better serve and return combo last year, Djokovic aldo had a better serve and return combo, that was the argument people had last year for saying Carlos was gonna do awful on grass, then he didnt lose a match, maybe we should have his x factor in mind too you know...
 
TheSlicer said:
He also had a better serve and return combo last year, Djokovic aldo had a better serve and return combo, that was the argument people had last year for saying Carlos was gonna do awful on grass, then he didnt lose a match, maybe we should have his x factor in mind too you know...
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Sinner won more total points and more return points in their SF match. Sinner is going to defeat Carlos quite easily on hard And maybe 4 sets on grass
 
dking68 said:
@mike danny Anything less than a win for sinner is disappointing. He needs the win more

Think he has a much better serve-return combo than Carlos and can do more damage with his flat hard hitting groundstrokes and should prevail in 4 sets. The mere fact that Sinner won more points off of Carlos serve on his worst surface than Carlos won off Sinners while serving in my opinion terribly gives me confidence Sinner is going to defeat him handily on the lawns. And also won more total points won.
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Sinner could prove problematic for Carlos on grass, but let's see it play out.
 
dking68 said:
Sinner won more total points and more return points in their SF match. Sinner is going to defeat Carlos quite easily on hard And maybe 4 sets on grass
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more total points means nothing, matches are decided on BP and important points in general, thats why being cluth makes the difference
 
mike danny said:
Sinner could prove problematic for Carlos on grass, but let's see it play out.
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Who’s season was better so far

Sinner 2024 after Roland Garros: 33-3 Won Miami, Rotterdam and AO. RG SF


Fed 2004 after Roland Garros 34-4

Won AO, Dubai, Hamburg and Indian Wells. Lost 3R in RG

Personally - I say Sinner is better. He only lost to the champions of each tournament while Fed’s losses were unpredictable and Sinner basically made all semis, except Madrid which he just withdrew. Fed lost early in Miami, RG and Rotterdam
 
Hopefully, these two meet in the final. Alcaraz has the credentials. He's a heavyweight on grass courts. Last year, Sinner made the semis. But since then, he's beefed up his game a lot. Sinner is a much better player than he was last year.

I'd still probably give Alcaraz the edge. But honestly, nothing would surprise me between these two(except a blowout in either direction).
 
Pheasant said:
Hopefully, these two meet in the final. Alcaraz has the credentials. He's a heavyweight on grass courts. Last year, Sinner made the semis. But since then, he's beefed up his game a lot. Sinner is a much better player than he was last year.

I'd still probably give Alcaraz the edge. But honestly, nothing would surprise me between these two(except a blowout in either direction).
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You do realize his loopy topspin ball is ineffective on grass as well as the fact that Sinner won more points off of Carlos’s serve than Carlos won off Sinners, despite playing on clay?
 
I'm really digging this rivalry between Alcaraz and Sinner. And I don't favor either one. Alcaraz is the more exciting player of the two. But part of me feels like Sinner is more of an underdog, based on the hype from a couple of years ago. I shouldn't feel that way. But Sinner just feels like an underdog. And he really seems like a standup guy(as is Carlos). I'll probably find myself rooting for the guy that lost the last match in their rivalry. I'd love to see it be dead-even. With that said, since Alcaraz leads at 5-4, I'll pull for Sinner next time. This is really a fun spot to be in. With Fedal, I always rooted heavily for Fed, which means I suffered a letdown more often than not. But in this case, I can just truly enjoy the tennis; kind of like when Sampras played Agassi.
 
dking68 said:
You do realize his loopy topspin ball is ineffective on grass as well as the fact that Sinner won more points off of Carlos’s serve than Carlos won off Sinners, despite playing on clay?
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How can you say his ball is inefective on grass man? Lol, last year he played the best grass court tennis, and unlike sinner, he knows how to slice and volley
 
dking68 said:
You do realize his loopy topspin ball is ineffective on grass as well as the fact that Sinner won more points off of Carlos’s serve than Carlos won off Sinners, despite playing on clay?
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It's quite possible that Sinner takes out Alcaraz. You might very well be right. All I want is to see both of them in the final. To me, half of the fun is not knowing what to expect.
 
Pheasant said:
It's quite possible that Sinner takes out Alcaraz. You might very well be right. All I want is to see both of them in the final. To me, half of the fun is not knowing what to expect.
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I think Carlos is a great player but I still think Sinner is the best player in the world right now and will win slam #2 next month. Think he does everything better except for arguably the forehand, variety and movement. But on grass I think Sinner moves better and his powerful ground strokes will be too much for Carlos.
 
dking68 said:
I think Carlos is a great player but I still think Sinner is the best player in the world right now and will win slam #2 next month. Think he does everything better except for arguably the forehand and movement. But on grass I think Sinner moves better
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So he volleys better? He dropshots better? He slices better? He has a better transition Game? He plays better on important moments? I think sinner is a great player, but he just has the Edge on groundstroke consistency and sometimes, on serve
 
TheSlicer said:
So he volleys better? He dropshots better? He slices better? He has a better transition Game? He plays better on important moments? I think sinner is a great player, but he just has the Edge on groundstroke consistency and sometimes, on serve
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Sinner is the better player right now @TheSlicer . He has only lost to the champions of whichever tournament he lost this year. I don’t see Carlos defending his title. That’s my final thoughts. He will win #2 next month.
 
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