NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Tough to predict but Sinner will have more sucess on HC where his game excell best, anyway we don't know the future. One injury and either player become another Delpo.
Wimbledon is gonna be sinners playground not carlos’
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Tough to predict but Sinner will have more sucess on HC where his game excell best, anyway we don't know the future. One injury and either player become another Delpo.
Olli Jokinen
Hall of Fame
What kind of basis do you have for this claim. The guy won Queens and Wimbledon last year. Sinner didn't win anything on grass in 2023.
taster
Rookie
Absolutely. This is why - to some extent, the stats are less relevant in their overall performances in slams, since it's all about the guy who wins the last point.
Carlos has a kind of mental fortitude which allows him to dig his heals in come from behind and win at the latter stages of slam finals, his five set record is amazing.
If Sinner and Alcaraz meet at Wimbledon, it's in the final - nerves are gonna play a big part - understandable.
I've often thought that despite his brilliant play, Sinner can bottle it at crucial moments - like he did at the ATP finals against Djokovic last year, home crowd too much expectation weighed heavy.
If they meet in the Wimbledon final, it will stress test Sinner to the max, and i think Sinners mental shortcomings won't overcome his brilliant play. If they played in a hypothetical round of 16 at Wimbledon, I would have more faith in Sinner.
KennyoFatoBoiyo
Rookie
Read this bonkers stat today.
Alcaraz has the highest win percentage on grass on the ATP tour with a whopping 88.9% win rate( 16-2 record).
Djokovic is #2 with a 85.8% win percentage( 115-19 record).
Sinner is 8th with a 60% win rate on grass ( 12-8 record).
Let that digest for a while. The fact that Carlos has been this successful on grass with so few games played on the surface when it is known to be the hardest to play on is extremely impressive.
Alcaraz has the highest win percentage on grass on the ATP tour with a whopping 88.9% win rate( 16-2 record).
Djokovic is #2 with a 85.8% win percentage( 115-19 record).
Sinner is 8th with a 60% win rate on grass ( 12-8 record).
Let that digest for a while. The fact that Carlos has been this successful on grass with so few games played on the surface when it is known to be the hardest to play on is extremely impressive.
SpinWizard
Semi-Pro
It's honestly beyond ridiculous how underestimated Carlos is on this forum. Time and time again people talk s*it about him. People were saying the same thing since the beginning of this year and what happened?
Carlos beat Sinner two times already - Indian Wells and RG. Jannik looked completely clueless once Alcaraz changed his tactic, adjusted and added more variety to his game. Just show some respect to the player who is far more talented, far more accomplished than Sinner so far...
Carlos beat Sinner two times already - Indian Wells and RG. Jannik looked completely clueless once Alcaraz changed his tactic, adjusted and added more variety to his game. Just show some respect to the player who is far more talented, far more accomplished than Sinner so far...
mike danny
Bionic Poster
At the same time Carlos hasn't played on grass too much so we need to re-evaluate this percentage after a higher number of matches played.
Humble Crumble
Semi-Pro
With regards to respect, the complete opposite is true. Seriously.
Do people even watch the same matches as I do? Because I don’t see a variety of play that decides these matches. All I ever see is Sinner physically ailing in the business end of the match or choking like he did in the USO ‘22 when he has match points.
The complete opposite is true? Are you sure you're in the right thread? Familiarise yourself with this particular OP -- now in his latest avatar after repeated disrespectful trolling, particularly of Alcaraz.
And nah, Sinner dubiously has pace generation issues when Alcaraz mixes pace up. Only when Alcaraz goes for pace (which is more often than not) does he struggle against the much superior pace-generator in Sinner.
Humble Crumble
Semi-Pro
You mean when he starts moonballing? Sure, that works on clay, but it won’t work on faster courts.
The OP is in a tiny but unfortunately very loud minority, as is usually the case with trolls. Outside of a random forum thread, the world’s media have given Alcaraz the best overall praise you could ask for.
So your view is that Sinner is clearly the superior player in the head to head matchup and has just gotten unlucky? That seems a bit rich.
Humble Crumble
Semi-Pro
Of course not. It’s completely Sinner’s fault that he has choked as badly as he has in the USO and not improved his physical fitness by the age of 22-23. I’m not saying it’s all just bad luck. They are different players but there is no clear winning except in GS matches where Alcaraz leads 3-1. It is simply too early to tell.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I need to see more from him on grass to make this assessment. As of now Carlos is easily ahead.
Tru. Only moonballing. That one dimensional moronic Alcaraz I tell you.
Humble Crumble
Semi-Pro
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
When Alcaraz had 2 slams and 5 masters and sinner 0 and 1?
Probably not, for even when he had not a title over a 500, the legion of Sinner diehards (such as the OP himself in a variety of different banned accounts) claimed him to be the superior player.
When he lead the head to head, you should have been here to see all that was said.
Humble Crumble
Semi-Pro
Four months ago Sinner had 1 slam and the H2H was 4-3 Sinner.
Humble Crumble
Semi-Pro
I believe you. I can’t stand overhyping players before they have proven anything.
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
Same thing, you consider that a dominant head to head? Specially against a two years younger player? As of today, sinner is behind Alcaraz in every possible achievement in tennis, being two years older, besides that, Carlos is more complete and has a better mental Game, everything else is wishful thinking
There's both over hyping and trashing in equal measure here. Just a bonkers place that behaves in accordance with whoever won the last match played.
Still better than Twitter tho.
Humble Crumble
Semi-Pro
No, I don’t consider that “dominant”. So far, neither player has dominated the other. My main point regarding this talk of Sinnacraz is that it is far too early given they have not yet fought a GS final yet. My only prediction is for Sinner to improve physically, he is obviously a late bloomer. He started tennis much later than average.
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
He didnt start tennis much later that average, people misinterpret that, he started competing internationally 2 years later than average, he played tennis since he was a child, children younger than 12 dont train all that much anyway, he was just more focused on skiing but that doesnt mean that he can make that Up now, It basically makes no difference at this point, and i dont undertand the slam final thing, Alcaraz has beaten sinner two times at slams and has won more slams and Big titles being younger, he is clearly the superior player, as for the rivalry, yes i agree its too soon to put one over the other, but against the field, unless sinner wins wimbledon, US open and some more masters, hes still behind Alcaraz.
Humble Crumble
Semi-Pro
He’s behind in titles but I personally see a lot of potential in Sinner. That’s why I’m a fan of his. It’s part of being a fan to be somewhat optimistic about the player’s potential. From what I have seen he can go all the way in the upcoming tournaments. I hope he does and proves the naysayers wrong.
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
Sure, he has great potential, i like him, i dont like his fanbase thought, but personally, i see a lot more potencial in Alcaraz, hes the most complete 21 year old ive ever seen in 25 years of watching tennis, and i love that he uses all the court, i got so bored of Djokovic era of just baseliners, It just makes the sport less interesting, and Alcaraz is proving that creativity and playing all the shots make the difference, thats why i like him
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Wins vs top 10 in slams
2020 Alcaraz 0 Sinner 1
2021 Alcaraz 1 Sinner 0
2022 Alcaraz 1 Sinner 1
2023 Alcaraz 4 Sinner 0
2024 Alcaraz 3 Sinner 4
I think the last year was bad for Sinner in slams. He was beaten by Tsitsipas, Altmaier, Djokovic and Zverev in slams. But he was not able to beat these guys physically. At least all except Zverev.
Alcaraz even in 2021 had huge muscle mass and was able to go toe to toe with everyone. That's why he has more titles and slams. He is developed earlier than Sinner.
2024-2025 maybe in 2 years we will see where each goes.
Djokovic and Nadal was similar but Nadal was 1 year older and developer earlier than Djokovic as well.
2020 Alcaraz 0 Sinner 1
2021 Alcaraz 1 Sinner 0
2022 Alcaraz 1 Sinner 1
2023 Alcaraz 4 Sinner 0
2024 Alcaraz 3 Sinner 4
I think the last year was bad for Sinner in slams. He was beaten by Tsitsipas, Altmaier, Djokovic and Zverev in slams. But he was not able to beat these guys physically. At least all except Zverev.
Alcaraz even in 2021 had huge muscle mass and was able to go toe to toe with everyone. That's why he has more titles and slams. He is developed earlier than Sinner.
2024-2025 maybe in 2 years we will see where each goes.
Djokovic and Nadal was similar but Nadal was 1 year older and developer earlier than Djokovic as well.
KennyoFatoBoiyo
Rookie
The fact that Alcaraz won the French open not even playing his best tennis against Sinner and Zverev speaks volumes as to how good he is.
What happens when he reaches his ultimate potential and plays his best tennis?
Heres hoping he finds his 22/23 form again for Wimbledon and Sinner finds his best form too so we can have an epic Wimbledon final.
What happens when he reaches his ultimate potential and plays his best tennis?
Heres hoping he finds his 22/23 form again for Wimbledon and Sinner finds his best form too so we can have an epic Wimbledon final.
That's a guarantee. Sinner will be threat in every single slam going forward. Already is.
There are very few in history who've used the geometry of the court as well as him.
One of the greatest talents I've seen in my time across the sports i follow.
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
Yeah man, its one of those things when sport turns into magic
duaneeo
Legend
And likewise, many hope that Alcaraz keeps proving you and his other naysayers wrong.
Humble Crumble
Semi-Pro
I haven’t said a single thing against Alcaraz or his abilities.
Rattie
Legend
I tend to think Alcaraz is focussing on the 1500 points he has to defend first.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
2500 points...
Rattie
Legend
Of course! My bad lol
Olli Jokinen
Hall of Fame
No, he won't. Defending Wimbledon is his quest.
a10best
Legend
Winning Wimbledon and points defending is important to ttw fans for stats, ranking, and young goat debates.
I'm sure Carlitos would say pleasing his country fans is No. 1 in his heart. Winning the Olympic Gold with his childhood idol and/or singles for his country far surpasses winning Wimbledon this year. If he has an easy draw he could win it all. If not, I predict a qtrs or semi's loss.
Olli Jokinen
Hall of Fame
Sure. But no.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Hubie dubie doo
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Sinner gonna Maul everyone at this Wimbledon, mark my word.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Lol stop acting
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Who is going to stop peak Sinner?
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Your facade lol
underrated comment.
mental midget
Hall of Fame
he could win it but clear edge to carlos. he's got the movement, improvisational ability, can get up to short balls better and cover the net...just a better bag of tricks for grass. sticking w ao/uso as sinner's best chances for majors.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Lol I am not a jinxer but a believer in him. You still doubt his scary good level?
dking68
G.O.A.T.
Nadal won his first Wimbledon at 22 and Djoker at 24, did it mean much in the end?
