Wimbledon qualifier Odesnik facing new drug inquiry

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Wimbledon qualifier Odesnik facing new drug inquiry after alleged links to Bosch's Biogenesis clinic

By NICK HARRIS

22 June 2013

American Wayne Odesnik, who has already served one ban for possession of performance-enhancing drugs, will play in the men’s singles this week against a backdrop of fresh allegations.
Odesnik, 27, was banned for two years in 2010 after trying to import human growth hormone (HGH), an anabolic agent used by drug cheats, into Australia.
The following year, half his ban was suspended by the sport’s governing body, the International Tennis Federation, when the player agreed to give ‘substantial assistance in relation to the enforcement of professional rules of conduct’.

But Odesnik has come under fresh scrutiny after his name appeared in the hand-written records of a Miami clinic at the centre of a developing doping scandal engulfing American sport.
The clinic’s founder, Tony Bosch, is being investigated for allegedly supplying banned drugs to stars, mainly from baseball and boxing.
Odesnik’s name appears in the records for 2009, 2010 and 2011 but Odesnik has denied being a client of Bosch and added: ‘I have never purchased HGH nor any other illegal/banned substances from any person.’
Stuart Miller, the ITF’s anti-doping manager, said the governing body are following up new information on Odesnik.

Denial: Odesnik says he has not purchased banned substances
Secret documents, made known to The Mail on Sunday, suggest Odesnik has passed to the authorities information about fellow players relating to drugs and corruption.
On one occasion, Odesnik’s whistleblowing led to a corruption charge against a fellow professional, although that was thrown out after Odesnik was deemed a ‘wholly unreliable witness’.
It is believed that the ITF and TIU (Tennis Integrity Unit) have made a variety of deals with suspected drug or fixing cheats to allow them to continue playing in exchange for information on fellow players.
Neither the ITF or TIU would comment on their alleged use of whistleblowers, while Odesnik’s lawyer did not respond to a request for comment.
Odesnik, ranked No 104 in the world, begins his Wimbledon singles campaign with a first-round match against Jimmy Wang, of Taiwan, the world No 154.


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Crisstti

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Yet we are to believe that none of the top players dope, and that only lower ranked scrubs do. Lol.

He is actually rather low ranked. It makes more sense also, it's not like this guy is risking a legacy, the potential benefits/consequences ratio is better.
 

octogon

Hall of Fame
He is actually rather low ranked. It makes more sense also, it's not like this guy is risking a legacy, the potential benefits/consequences ratio is better.

No, it just means the top guys are protected. They always throw a few of these low ranked minions that no one will miss out to the wolves, every year without fail. It makes them look like they are doing something.

They'll never ever go after the big dogs (Federer, Nadal, Murray, Djokovic or anyone in the top 10), as there is too much money in the sport. If there is any proof of widespread doping at the very top of the game, a lot of money and jobs will be lost.
 

Crisstti

Legend
No, it just means the top guys are protected. They always throw a few of these low ranked minions that no one will miss out to the wolves, every year without fail. It makes them look like they are doing something.

They'll never ever go after the big dogs (Federer, Nadal, Murray, Djokovic or anyone in the top 10), as there is too much money in the sport. If there is any proof of widespread doping at the very top of the game, a lot of money and jobs will be lost.

Uhm, no, it just means that in your imagination. You've got nothing to back that up.

Anyway, is it in any way possible for people here to stick to the facts for once?. This guy was found with HGH, banned, now is in this list and has the face he has never purchased HGH from anyone...
 

Devilito

Legend
don't worry. They'll never catch Novak
lance_t440.jpg
 

Devilito

Legend
Fail post everyone knows AusO Nadal was the true and original LA of tennis long before
Novak . Try again, and its also been Nadal right there with Novak in those huge marathon matches.

difference is Nadal has always been fit and outlasted people. Lance was falling all over himself a few years ago in best 2 of 3 set matches, then overnight he magically gained superhuman stamina. Gluten free Epo?
 
No question those guys all are on something, but for you to imply Novak performance at any time was more significant than that Nads AusO is just moronic. How pathetic too at that time Novak ability was questionable yet its clearly what Nads had to resort too to beat the GOAT under those circumstances. I mean really, you up under Nads balls worse than a midget hooker.
 
difference is Nadal has always been fit and outlasted people. Lance was falling all over himself a few years ago in best 2 of 3 set matches, then overnight he magically gained superhuman stamina. Gluten free Epo?

So, you inferring that these substances can make someone good int someone great?
Carefull you tread very deep waters. Chose your steps wisely
 
Tell me, do you really think that any one person born on this earth that is a professional athlete at this level actually can be that much better an athlete physically? When they all have access to the same equipment doctors, nutrition etc? Do you really belive that their is some genetic advantage Nads has to continually be in the best condition, and have the best recovery , never having showed the historic signs of fatigue from a big win like his countryman before him who were also monster runners on the dirt... Moya,, Corretja, Costa, Brugera etc. ?
 
Not to mention the USO mystery serve, the monumental comeback the likes of which only Cycling has seen by... You guessed it LA and testicular cancer!!
 

bullfan

Legend
Not to mention the USO mystery serve, the monumental comeback the likes of which only Cycling has seen by... You guessed it LA and testicular cancer!!

Give me a break, Nadal has not been in stellar form in 2013. It seems the 2013 year isn't as high form, so it's really benefited Nadal getting back in form.
 

President

Legend
No question those guys all are on something, but for you to imply Novak performance at any time was more significant than that Nads AusO is just moronic. How pathetic too at that time Novak ability was questionable yet its clearly what Nads had to resort too to beat the GOAT under those circumstances. I mean really, you up under Nads balls worse than a midget hooker.

Devilito is actually a bit of a Nadal hater from what I've seen to be honest, definitely not a fan. The stuff he says about Djokovic being a horribly obvious doper is true, what's very surprising isn't Djokovic's insane endurance (ok, it's bit surprising) but the massive difference in his stamina/fitness levels that somehow took place in the 2010 offseason.
 

Crisstti

Legend
Fail post everyone knows AusO Nadal was the true and original LA of tennis long before
Novak . Try again, and its also been Nadal right there with Novak in those huge marathon matches.

Don't be such a sore loser, it's pathetic.

Anyway, I see there's no point in trying to have a discussion with people on this board about what we do know of players doping in tennis.
I thought a guy who had been banned for PEDs before appearing in a doping list could be discussed in its own terms without people jumping on calling dopers players they don't like... silly me.
 
Hey you can lead a horse to water, only the dumb ones dont drink it... Too many instance in too many different sports that have been upended by doping for it not to be rampant in tennis. Those 2 esecially hve put in prformances thought to be impossible with the small recovery times. Sorry, tennis has done a monumental no no by not outing their top players, and in tbe process to any well connected sports fan are literally trying to sell bags of dog $ hi t and advertising it as dog $ hi t... Not buying that sales pitch, you can
 
Devilito is actually a bit of a Nadal hater from what I've seen to be honest, definitely not a fan. The stuff he says about Djokovic being a horribly obvious doper is true, what's very surprising isn't Djokovic's insane endurance (ok, it's bit surprising) but the massive difference in his stamina/fitness levels that somehow took place in the 2010 offseason.

Not claiming he isnt, I thought someone posted his 3 and 5 set record prior and it seemed to suggest he did not have a problem, he also had a few retirement due to back and possibly shoulder/arm prior, their ws also the Davis cup he retired from in a commanding lead. Seems these all get thrown in with his suspect fitness problems, retirement problems. The fact though was the Nadal AusO was clearly an indicator of substance abuse long before Nole came along and crashed Nads party....
 
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Hey you can lead a horse to water, only the dumb ones dont drink it... Too many instance in too many different sports that have been upended by doping for it not to be rampant in tennis. Those 2 esecially hve put in prformances thought to be impossible with the small recovery times. Sorry, tennis has done a monumental no no by not outing their top players, and in tbe process to any well connected sports fan are literally trying to sell bags of dog $ hi t and advertising it as dog $ hi t... Not buying that sales pitch, you can

I will also add that just about every one of those instances a scandal broke from authorities and illegal substance investigations, not from positive test. Test, and especially ITF testing has been proven to be a complete waste of time and money. They use mostly urine, in comp, and have a joke of a system of 3 strike for missed test, mst players not tested 3 times in 2 yrs let alone 1. Please What we do KNOW? WADA happy to take money for bogus testing, ITF happy with juiced stars...
 
Don't be such a sore loser, it's pathetic.

Anyway, I see there's no point in trying to have a discussion with people on this board about what we do know of players doping in tennis.
I thought a guy who had been banned for PEDs before appearing in a doping list could be discussed in its own terms without people jumping on calling dopers players they don't like... silly me.

so, technically this post would also apply to devilto post of LA thumbs up for Nole? Yet that seemed not to bother you...
GFY
 

Crisstti

Legend
Hey you can lead a horse to water, only the dumb ones dont drink it... Too many instance in too many different sports that have been upended by doping for it not to be rampant in tennis. Those 2 esecially hve put in prformances thought to be impossible with the small recovery times. Sorry, tennis has done a monumental no no by not outing their top players, and in tbe process to any well connected sports fan are literally trying to sell bags of dog $ hi t and advertising it as dog $ hi t... Not buying that sales pitch, you can

Thought to be impossible by who?, you?.
 
Thought to be impossible by who?, you?.

Such a bore (yawn). His peers, retired greats, sports analyst have all deemed it "superhuman" "unbelivable" once thought "impossible". get out of here wit your BS, their were real questions I asked about modern athletes, training and nutrition, answer those....
 

TheTruth

G.O.A.T.
And yet there are no suspicions against Fed playing so long with mono? People need to stop with the allegations, or be fair and consider all "strange" situations at the least.
 

Crisstti

Legend
Such a bore (yawn). His peers, retired greats, sports analyst have all deemed it "superhuman" "unbelivable" once thought "impossible". get out of here wit your BS, their were real questions I asked about modern athletes, training and nutrition, answer those....

You get out of here with your bs. Post the quotes of all of these retires great and sports analysts who say a 21 year old couldn't have played two tough 5 setters with one day of rest in between unless he was doped.
 

Crisstti

Legend
And yet there are no suspicions against Fed playing so long with mono? People need to stop with the allegations, or be fair and consider all "strange" situations at the least.

Who says he has mono?, have you seen the medical reports?. I say he was caught doping and what you saw was Fed off PEDs.

/sarcasm
 
You get out of here with your bs. Post the quotes of all of these retires great and sports analysts who say a 21 year old couldn't have played two tough 5 setters with one day of rest in between unless he was doped.

No, you do the research, just another poster who never answers real questions all to afraid of revealing the truth about who they really are. So you resign to demanding "proof” on inconsequential facts. The proof is everywhere I cant show it to you if you refuse to open your eyes or ears to listen.
 
Who says he has mono?, have you seen the medical reports?. I say he was caught doping and what you saw was Fed off PEDs.

/sarcasm

Now just being hypocritical.... Of course since Devilito was ok to bring Nole into it and not bother you, showing your double standards it comes as no surprise...
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
Here's the check list to see if a player should be viewed with a sceptical eye with regards to PEDs use...

(via Simmons Grantland article on ESPN)

When forming a list of potential abusers did they:
• Skip the Olympics (which has much stricter drug testing) in your prime for any dubious reason and you're on the list.

• Enjoy your best season in years in your late 30s, four or five years after your last "best season," and you're on the list.

• If you're a skinny dude who miraculously managed to add 20 pounds of muscle to your scarecrow frame, you're on the list.

• If you chopped down the recovery time of a debilitating injury to something that just didn't seem possible a year ago, you're on the list.

• If you were really good and really ripped at a really young age, and now your body is breaking down much sooner than it should be breaking down, you're on the list.

• If you're exhibiting a level of superhuman endurance that has little correlation to the endurance of any of your competitors, you're on the list.
 

Sid_Vicious

G.O.A.T.
Devilito is actually a bit of a Nadal hater from what I've seen to be honest, definitely not a fan. The stuff he says about Djokovic being a horribly obvious doper is true, what's very surprising isn't Djokovic's insane endurance (ok, it's bit surprising) but the massive difference in his stamina/fitness levels that somehow took place in the 2010 offseason.

If someone had said this about Nadal, you would freak out and start hurling insults. You are turning into a massive Nadal fanboy, plain and simple.
 

Crisstti

Legend
No, you do the research, just another poster who never answers real questions all to afraid of revealing the truth about who they really are. So you resign to demanding "proof” on inconsequential facts. The proof is everywhere I cant show it to you if you refuse to open your eyes or ears to listen.

The proof is everywhere but you can't show it to me. Got it.

It seems it's you who can't answer any questions, because you've got nothing.
 

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
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Odesnik has admitted on video that he gave out information on “a few other players”

The web site Sportingintelligence reported that in 2009 Odesnik was investigated by after a first-round match at Wimbledon when around one million pounds was wagered on him to lose to Austria’s Jurgen Melzer in straight sets, which he did. However, he was not charged with match fixing. Sportingintelligence also wrote that in January 2011, some of the information that Odesnik gave authorities was used in corruption charges against Austrian player, Daniel Kollerer, but that American was found to be an unreliable witness. Kollerer was eventually banned for life.

After his opening-round Wimbledon loss today, Odesnik denied involvement with the Miami clinic. He said he has been tested on a monthly basis and has passed those tests.

“I don't have any connection to it,” Odesnik said at Wimbledon. “I mean, any other question you can ask my lawyer...This is old news...I've been tested probably in the last three years on a regular basis. I know this year I've been tested every single month. I've had an out-of-competition test on a regular basis, blood and urine, from USADA...I've done nothing wrong. I'm as clean as a whistle.”

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2013...under-investigation-again/48066/#.UcpG0X_n_cs
 
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