Wimbledon quarterfinals: Nick Kyrgios vs Milos Raonic[8]

Nick Kyrgios or Milos Raonic?

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Team10

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veroniquem said:
So, another Rosol, another Darcis. So sick of it. I blame Gasquet.
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Except this guy is 19 and has a bright future. Darcis is nowhere and Rosol is a journeyman who won some random 250 somewhere. Neither have ever come close to making a QF of a slam.
 
Down_the_line

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He has gotten better with his returns, but it is still an unpleasant style to watch. Put it this way, make him and Nishikori play a practice game to 11 like rec players do, no serving and start the point with feeds. Nishikori (or Del Potro or Berdych or any other player with a normal ground game) would win about 11-2 or 11-3. That is why I really don't like watching Raonic. Even when he is able to break his opponents, it is mainly because of his opponents total lack of rhythm in the match. Of course, it's a legitimate and effective strategy but a horrible one to watch in my eyes.
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You could say that about a lot of players...

Anyway, it seems you're the only person saying this so I don't care. Most people don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Raonic is no Federer, or even Murray, Djokovic etc. in terms of the aesthetics of his game, but he's no serve bot. The guy can play from the back court now and he does it fairly well. He's not a baseline grinder obviously, and with his big serve he has smartly identified quick strike, attacking tennis as the best style for him.
 
Supertegwyn

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Nice easy game from Kyrgios. He really needs this. If Kyrgios takes the fourth set I will be happy whatever the result.
 
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Ellipses said:
His ground game has improved. He'll never be Nadal or Djokovic but you said he can't even rally for two shots. Bit of a hyperbole, don't you think? He's got about the same number of UEs as Kyrgios this game.
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Kyrgios is capable of better than this from the ground though, he is just totally put off by Raonic's utter lack of rhythm (plus he is a player from the same mold as Raonic, just with a worse serve but better movement and ball striking). Of course I was using hyperbole, but compared to the other top 10 players I think you would agree that Raonic's ground game is well below par. I wasn't saying he should be banned from tennis or anything, just that I really don't like watching him play. Generally I don't, but this is a Major Quarterfinal and I'm a big tennis fan, so of course I will watch.
 
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veroniquem said:
It's self-explanatory...
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Yeah, I thought it meant a guy who could only serve. But people on this board keep using it to describe people that clearly have other skills in addition to a big serve so I'm not sure anymore? Maybe you could clear this up? :confused::confused::confused:
 
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Gut Check

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This is far from over folks. All it would take is a momentary lapse of attention and break against Ranoic's serve and we'd be going to a 5th where anything can happen. Raonic certainly imposing himself more at this time, but that could change in the blink of an eye.
 
veroniquem

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Ellipses said:
Yeah, I thought it meant a guy who could only serve. But people on this board keep using it to describe people that clearly have other skills in addition to a big serve so I'm not sure anymore? Maybe you could clear this up? :confused::confused::confused:
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It just means they rely on serve first and foremost.
 
dudeski

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Raonic always gives Fed problems and now Fed sucks so this might be interesting semi unless the occasion gets to Raonic.
 
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veroniquem said:
It's self-explanatory...
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Unfortunately your definition is twisted. Karlovic is a "serve bot". No game outside the serve, never cracked the top 10 (career high ranking of 14 for like a week), just five titles won, all at tiny events. Never really a threat to make a deep run at a major.

THAT'S a serve bot, not the two guys we're watching now.
 
Supertegwyn

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Fastpace Ace said:
That name means nothing to me. How am I to understand it? What is a "servebot". I see the word "serve" there but what is bot? Is it an acronym for something?
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Bot as in robot; they seem to serve endless aces (like some sort of machine mindlessly performing one task over and over again) and there is very little rallying in their service games.
 
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President said:
He has gotten better with his returns, but it is still an unpleasant style to watch. Put it this way, make him and Nishikori play a practice game to 11 like rec players do, no serving and start the point with feeds. Nishikori (or Del Potro or Berdych or any other player with a normal ground game) would win about 11-2 or 11-3.
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This is just outright not true, and here is proof.

Let's just take the stats from their match yesterday. Off of Nishikori's second serve, Raonic won 33% (13/39) points. In a game to 11, that should mean he would have gotten 5 or 6, so right away that clearly shows your theory is false. That isn't even taking into account that this stat is biased in favour of Nishikori because it's from his serve. If it started neutral, it's common sense to expect Raonic to do even better, so in reality it might be like 11-8... NOT EVEN CLOSE to your proclaimed 11-2 or 11-3.

If you take off your biased glasses, you will see that Raonic's ground game has improved significantly and is way more consistent than it used to be.
 
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Kyrgios is capable of better than this from the ground though, he is just totally put off by Raonic's utter lack of rhythm (plus he is a player from the same mold as Raonic, just with a worse serve but better movement and ball striking). Of course I was using hyperbole, but compared to the other top 10 players I think you would agree that Raonic's ground game is well below par. I wasn't saying he should be banned from tennis or anything, just that I really don't like watching him play. Generally I don't, but this is a Major Quarterfinal and I'm a big tennis fan, so of course I will watch.
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I can respect you personally not liking his style. But you - and all people who dislike this style, it seems - have this idea that there is "one style of tennis" that is "worthy". Whenever someone says it's unpleasant, they never say it's unpleasant to THEM, just that someone like Raonic is obviously, objectively, unpleasant to watch. That's not true. Some people enjoy that style of tennis.

I mean, yes his ground game is below par for the top 10. His serve is also much above par for the top 10. Surprise surprise, he has strengths and weaknesses, just like everyone else in the top 10.
 
dudeski

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If Fed can actually win this title by some miracle he needs to pull a Sampras and retire immediately. Then the legends can begin how he could have won 20 slams...
 
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